Re: [PHP] how PHP is batter?
Crayon Shin Chan wrote: On Tuesday 03 July 2007 22:56, Stut wrote: I saw there is a free version of Studio, but I think it's for students... You cannot go build a corporate project with it I think... More FUD. Go read the licence before claiming to know what it says! Regardless, the Express version has strings attached: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/05/microsoft_mvp_threats/ Two more good (but dated) articles: http://www.webpronews.com/expertarticles/2005/12/22/asp-vs-php http://www.builderau.com.au/program/web/soa/PHP-ASP-or-ASP-NET-/0,339024632,320283074,00.htm One claims ASP.NET is *much* faster, as I would have suspected. It would be interesting to compare a LAMP server (mysql running MyISAM) and Win2k3/MS-SQL/.NET. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] how PHP is batter?
On Tuesday 03 July 2007 21:52, Stut wrote: In short words it's not Micro$oft and you don't need to buy stuff to develop in it. You have never needed to buy anything to develop ASP.net applications. However, remember that many of the functions and extensions that PHP has builtin are free whereas their counterparts in asp-land may not be. Eg, I'm not sure whether this is still the case but once upon a time to be able to handle uploads in asp meant you had to pay for an extension. -- Crayon -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] how PHP is batter?
On Tuesday 03 July 2007 22:56, Stut wrote: I saw there is a free version of Studio, but I think it's for students... You cannot go build a corporate project with it I think... More FUD. Go read the licence before claiming to know what it says! Regardless, the Express version has strings attached: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/05/microsoft_mvp_threats/ -- Crayon -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] how PHP is batter?
ASP.net VS PHP? how PHP is batter?
Re: [PHP] how PHP is batter?
batter like batman? Muhammad Hassan Samee schrieb: ASP.net VS PHP? how PHP is batter? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] how PHP is batter?
Muhammad Hassan Samee wrote: ASP.net VS PHP? how PHP is batter? . In short words it's not Micro$oft and you don't need to buy stuff to develop in it. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] how PHP is batter?
Andrei wrote: Muhammad Hassan Samee wrote: ASP.net VS PHP? how PHP is batter? . In short words it's not Micro$oft and you don't need to buy stuff to develop in it. You have never needed to buy anything to develop ASP.net applications. And if you feel the need for a nice IDE, Visual Studio Web Developer Express Edition is available for free... http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/vwd/ Stop the FUD! -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] how PHP is batter?
On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 14:52 +0100, Stut wrote: Andrei wrote: Muhammad Hassan Samee wrote: ASP.net VS PHP? how PHP is batter? . In short words it's not Micro$oft and you don't need to buy stuff to develop in it. You have never needed to buy anything to develop ASP.net applications. And if you feel the need for a nice IDE, Visual Studio Web Developer Express Edition is available for free... http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/vwd/ Stop the FUD! Microsoft started it! As the adage goes... People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones :) Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] how PHP is batter?
Muhammad Hassan Samee wrote: ASP.net VS PHP? how PHP is batter? Without context that question is meaningless and only serves as troll bait. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] how PHP is batter?
[snip] ASP.net VS PHP? [/snip] The bottom line is that you must choose the best tool for the job. In other words your shouldn't drive a nail with a band saw. Each has their own strengths and weaknesses. IMHO the learning curve with PHP is much less steep and PHP code lends itself towards more elegance. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] how PHP is batter?
Robert Cummings wrote: On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 14:52 +0100, Stut wrote: Andrei wrote: Muhammad Hassan Samee wrote: ASP.net VS PHP? how PHP is batter? . In short words it's not Micro$oft and you don't need to buy stuff to develop in it. You have never needed to buy anything to develop ASP.net applications. And if you feel the need for a nice IDE, Visual Studio Web Developer Express Edition is available for free... http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/vwd/ Stop the FUD! Microsoft started it! As the adage goes... People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones :) You know very well that just because someone else does something it doesn't make it right. Don't sink to their level. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] how PHP is batter?
On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 15:07 +0100, Stut wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 14:52 +0100, Stut wrote: Andrei wrote: Muhammad Hassan Samee wrote: ASP.net VS PHP? how PHP is batter? . In short words it's not Micro$oft and you don't need to buy stuff to develop in it. You have never needed to buy anything to develop ASP.net applications. And if you feel the need for a nice IDE, Visual Studio Web Developer Express Edition is available for free... http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/vwd/ Stop the FUD! Microsoft started it! As the adage goes... People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones :) You know very well that just because someone else does something it doesn't make it right. Don't sink to their level. :) -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: Re: [PHP] how PHP is batter?
Stut wrote: Andrei wrote: Muhammad Hassan Samee wrote: ASP.net VS PHP? how PHP is batter? . In short words it's not Micro$oft and you don't need to buy stuff to develop in it. You have never needed to buy anything to develop ASP.net applications. And if you feel the need for a nice IDE, Visual Studio Web Developer Express Edition is available for free... http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/vwd/ Stop the FUD! -Stut I saw there is a free version of Studio, but I think it's for students... You cannot go build a corporate project with it I think... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] how PHP is batter?
John Meyer wrote: Muhammad Hassan Samee wrote: ASP.net VS PHP? how PHP is batter? Without context that question is meaningless and only serves as troll bait. do trolls eat deepfried marsbars by any chance? it would explain alot :-P -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Andrei wrote: I saw there is a free version of Studio, but I think it's for students... You cannot go build a corporate project with it I think... They're just designed for students and hobbyists (i.e. they stipped out the cool stuff), but you can use 'em for whatever. From the faq: http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/support/faq/ *4.**Can I use Express Editions for commercial use?* Yes, there are no licensing restrictions for applications built using the Express Editions. jon -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] how PHP is batter?
Andrei wrote: Stut wrote: Andrei wrote: Muhammad Hassan Samee wrote: ASP.net VS PHP? how PHP is batter? . In short words it's not Micro$oft and you don't need to buy stuff to develop in it. You have never needed to buy anything to develop ASP.net applications. And if you feel the need for a nice IDE, Visual Studio Web Developer Express Edition is available for free... http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/vwd/ Stop the FUD! -Stut I saw there is a free version of Studio, but I think it's for students... You cannot go build a corporate project with it I think... More FUD. Go read the licence before claiming to know what it says! -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] how PHP is batter?
On Jul 3, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Stut wrote: Andrei wrote: Muhammad Hassan Samee wrote: ASP.net VS PHP? how PHP is batter? . In short words it's not Micro$oft and you don't need to buy stuff to develop in it. You have never needed to buy anything to develop ASP.net applications. Ummm... Windows? ;) Ed -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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Stut wrote: Andrei wrote: I saw there is a free version of Studio, but I think it's for students... You cannot go build a corporate project with it I think... More FUD. Go read the licence before claiming to know what it says! -Stut I said *I think* didn't know for sure. And anyway I would read the bla bla for something I don't need. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] how PHP is batter?
This is an important debate and I would hope to see a more lively discussion. Many of us have to validate our choices and our employers don't care about anti-microsoft and anti-corporation arguments (I do believe the open-source versus closed-source argument is a valid one to make to your employers). I'm sure this question has come up many times on this board (and countless others), which might be why it is such a volatile topic. Though, this has been an ongoing debate for many years... the debate is very fluid. Arguments made in the past, like ASP.NET only works on IIS, might not be valid today. Much of the literature out there does not reflect this. I would like to offer this to the debate, benchmarks showing PHP to run faster: http://www.wrensoft.com/zoom/benchmarks.html I thought this was a very interesting find, as ASP.NET is a compiled language. Theoretically, this would give ASP.NET an advantage as far as speed is concerned. Does anyone else have other evidence where ASP.NET has been shown to run faster? I don't think the benchmark I have given is very valid. Thanks, Adam Edward Vermillion wrote: On Jul 3, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Stut wrote: Andrei wrote: Muhammad Hassan Samee wrote: ASP.net VS PHP? how PHP is batter? . In short words it's not Micro$oft and you don't need to buy stuff to develop in it. You have never needed to buy anything to develop ASP.net applications. Ummm... Windows? ;) Ed -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] how PHP is batter?
Edward Vermillion wrote: On Jul 3, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Stut wrote: Andrei wrote: Muhammad Hassan Samee wrote: ASP.net VS PHP? how PHP is batter? . In short words it's not Micro$oft and you don't need to buy stuff to develop in it. You have never needed to buy anything to develop ASP.net applications. Ummm... Windows? ;) Indeed. I apologise for that omission since that was true in the early days, but now even that is not required. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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At 3:53 PM +0500 7/3/07, Muhammad Hassan Samee wrote: ASP.net VS PHP? how PHP is batter? You take a little flour, milk, egg and mix. Liberally coat the php and then fry. It taste much better than asp and you don't have to risk your life chasing it down. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On Jul 3, 2007, at 12:35 PM, Jim Lucas wrote: Edward Vermillion wrote: On Jul 3, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Stut wrote: Andrei wrote: Muhammad Hassan Samee wrote: ASP.net VS PHP? how PHP is batter? . In short words it's not Micro$oft and you don't need to buy stuff to develop in it. You have never needed to buy anything to develop ASP.net applications. Ummm... Windows? For which part? The server? I may be wrong, but can't this be done under Apache now? Isn't there a module for this? Writing ASP? Basic vi, joe, emacs, mg, etc... they work just fine. Yeah, I was referring to the server. I wasn't aware that ASP could live outside of the MS bubble. Although I have heard of the mono(?) project to get an open source equivalent of .net, I just hadn't heard of anyone writing an ASP processor for apache. Ewww Ed -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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At 7:36 AM -0600 7/3/07, John Meyer wrote: Muhammad Hassan Samee wrote: ASP.net VS PHP? how PHP is batter? Without context that question is meaningless and only serves as troll bait. H, batter as bait -- that's an idea. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On 7/3/07, Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edward Vermillion wrote: On Jul 3, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Stut wrote: Andrei wrote: Muhammad Hassan Samee wrote: ASP.net VS PHP? how PHP is batter? . In short words it's not Micro$oft and you don't need to buy stuff to develop in it. You have never needed to buy anything to develop ASP.net applications. Ummm... Windows? ;) Indeed. I apologise for that omission since that was true in the early days, but now even that is not required. -Stut Nope, With the use of Mono mod_mono you can run ASP.NET application in Apache on a Unix box :) Tijnema -- Vote for PHP Color Coding in Gmail! - http://gpcc.tijnema.info -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
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On 7/3/07, Edward Vermillion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 3, 2007, at 12:35 PM, Jim Lucas wrote: Edward Vermillion wrote: On Jul 3, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Stut wrote: Andrei wrote: Muhammad Hassan Samee wrote: ASP.net VS PHP? how PHP is batter? . In short words it's not Micro$oft and you don't need to buy stuff to develop in it. You have never needed to buy anything to develop ASP.net applications. Ummm... Windows? For which part? The server? I may be wrong, but can't this be done under Apache now? Isn't there a module for this? Writing ASP? Basic vi, joe, emacs, mg, etc... they work just fine. Yeah, I was referring to the server. I wasn't aware that ASP could live outside of the MS bubble. Although I have heard of the mono(?) project to get an open source equivalent of .net, I just hadn't heard of anyone writing an ASP processor for apache. Ewww Ed I have the Mono project and the mod_mono compiled, and loaded in Apache. I didn't test it fully yet, but the simple write command works :) Tijnema -- Vote for PHP Color Coding in Gmail! - http://gpcc.tijnema.info -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] how PHP is batter?
Edward Vermillion wrote: On Jul 3, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Stut wrote: Andrei wrote: Muhammad Hassan Samee wrote: ASP.net VS PHP? how PHP is batter? . In short words it's not Micro$oft and you don't need to buy stuff to develop in it. You have never needed to buy anything to develop ASP.net applications. Ummm... Windows? For which part? The server? I may be wrong, but can't this be done under Apache now? Isn't there a module for this? Writing ASP? Basic vi, joe, emacs, mg, etc... they work just fine. ;) Ed -- Jim Lucas Some men are born to greatness, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them. Twelfth Night, Act II, Scene V by William Shakespeare -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
