Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread tedd
Now maybe you didn't mean it that way, but IMO that appears more demeaning of the poster than providing help. I'm surprised, because that's not typical of you nor this list. Indeed. Not really sure what I was thinking when I wrote it and I apologise for the attitude. We all have off

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Stuart
2009/2/9 tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com: Now maybe you didn't mean it that way, but IMO that appears more demeaning of the poster than providing help. I'm surprised, because that's not typical of you nor this list. Indeed. Not really sure what I was thinking when I wrote it and I

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Andrew Ballard
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Paul M Foster pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 03:20:48PM -0500, tedd wrote: At 3:54 PM + 2/8/09, Stuart wrote: 2009/2/8 tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com: I wasn't able to find a lot of information, but here's a useful link:

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread tedd
At 2:41 PM + 2/9/09, Stuart wrote: I think people are like that everywhere, particularly above a certain level of management in my experience. I wish you luck in convincing them but I've found that PHP rarely wins when put up against the sales and marketing budgets available to Microsoft and

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread tedd
At 10:02 AM -0500 2/9/09, Andrew Ballard wrote: On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Paul M Foster pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: Perhaps a better question then might be how many IIS servers are there out there compared to Apache. Apache servers uniformly support PHP, but I think only IIS

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Andrew Ballard
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:10 AM, tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote: At 10:02 AM -0500 2/9/09, Andrew Ballard wrote: On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Paul M Foster pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: Perhaps a better question then might be how many IIS servers are there out there compared to

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Stuart
2009/2/9 Andrew Ballard aball...@gmail.com: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:10 AM, tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote: At 10:02 AM -0500 2/9/09, Andrew Ballard wrote: On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Paul M Foster pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: Perhaps a better question then might be how many

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Daniel Brown
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 09:35, Richard Heyes rich...@php.net wrote: Hi, Can anyone point out some general statistics on PHP usage compared to other server languages? I've tried Netcraft, but they only appear (or I've only found) to have statistics on the httpd server used. All @php.net

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Kyle Terry
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 09:35, Richard Heyes rich...@php.net wrote: Hi, Can anyone point out some general statistics on PHP usage compared to other server languages? I've tried Netcraft, but they only appear (or I've only

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Andrew Ballard
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 09:35, Richard Heyes rich...@php.net wrote: Hi, Can anyone point out some general statistics on PHP usage compared to other server languages? I've tried Netcraft, but they only appear (or I've only

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Daniel Brown
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 14:39, Andrew Ballard aball...@gmail.com wrote: For what it's worth, you missed .do, .dll, .exe, and I'm sure others (yes, I've seen web sites running what I assume to be compiled web applications with all of these extensions) as well as anything using URL rewriting

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Shawn McKenzie
Daniel Brown wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 14:39, Andrew Ballard aball...@gmail.com wrote: For what it's worth, you missed .do, .dll, .exe, and I'm sure others (yes, I've seen web sites running what I assume to be compiled web applications with all of these extensions) as well as anything

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Daniel Brown
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 14:58, Shawn McKenzie nos...@mckenzies.net wrote: And HTM shows 701M, so it is now beating out ASP :-) Another bone of contention is the masking --- I mentioned it briefly in my original remarks in this thread, but on further investigation, it may actually have a

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Stuart
2009/2/9 Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 14:58, Shawn McKenzie nos...@mckenzies.net wrote: And HTM shows 701M, so it is now beating out ASP :-) Another bone of contention is the masking --- I mentioned it briefly in my original remarks in this thread, but on further

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Daniel Brown
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 15:21, Stuart stut...@gmail.com wrote: I would advise you against wasting your time because there is no reliable way to tell what systems a server is actually using to serve pages. Nearly all sites I work on these days use techniques to remove extensions from URLs, and

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Stuart
2009/2/9 Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 15:21, Stuart stut...@gmail.com wrote: I would advise you against wasting your time because there is no reliable way to tell what systems a server is actually using to serve pages. Nearly all sites I work on these days use

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Daniel Brown
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 15:41, Stuart stut...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, but I find coding without QA requirements is a great way to relax. It's what I do to take a break from coding for The Job[tm]. I suppose that makes us seem a little ill, eh? -- /Daniel P. Brown

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread Andrew Ballard
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 15:21, Stuart stut...@gmail.com wrote: I would advise you against wasting your time because there is no reliable way to tell what systems a server is actually using to serve pages. Nearly all sites I

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-09 Thread tedd
At 3:44 PM -0500 2/9/09, Daniel Brown wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 15:41, Stuart stut...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, but I find coding without QA requirements is a great way to relax. It's what I do to take a break from coding for The Job[tm]. I suppose that makes us seem a little ill,

[PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-08 Thread Richard Heyes
Hi, Can anyone point out some general statistics on PHP usage compared to other server languages? I've tried Netcraft, but they only appear (or I've only found) to have statistics on the httpd server used. Thanks. -- Richard Heyes HTML5 Canvas graphing for Firefox, Chrome, Opera and Safari:

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-08 Thread tedd
At 2:35 PM + 2/8/09, Richard Heyes wrote: Hi, Can anyone point out some general statistics on PHP usage compared to other server languages? I've tried Netcraft, but they only appear (or I've only found) to have statistics on the httpd server used. Thanks. -- Richard Heyes Richard: I

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-08 Thread Stuart
2009/2/8 tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com: At 2:35 PM + 2/8/09, Richard Heyes wrote: Hi, Can anyone point out some general statistics on PHP usage compared to other server languages? I've tried Netcraft, but they only appear (or I've only found) to have statistics on the httpd server used.

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-08 Thread Richard Heyes
Hi, Why anyone would see value in such a number is beyond me. Just trying to get an (over)view of the market. -- Richard Heyes HTML5 Canvas graphing for Firefox, Chrome, Opera and Safari: http://www.rgraph.org (Updated January 31st) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-08 Thread tedd
At 3:54 PM + 2/8/09, Stuart wrote: 2009/2/8 tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com: I wasn't able to find a lot of information, but here's a useful link: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html Tedd, that's a list of programming languages, not web development

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-08 Thread Paul M Foster
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 03:20:48PM -0500, tedd wrote: At 3:54 PM + 2/8/09, Stuart wrote: 2009/2/8 tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com: I wasn't able to find a lot of information, but here's a useful link: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html Tedd, that's a

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-08 Thread Stuart
2009/2/8 tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com: At 3:54 PM + 2/8/09, Stuart wrote: 2009/2/8 tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com: I wasn't able to find a lot of information, but here's a useful link: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html Tedd, that's a list of

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-08 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Sun, 2009-02-08 at 15:37 -0500, Paul M Foster wrote: On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 03:20:48PM -0500, tedd wrote: At 3:54 PM + 2/8/09, Stuart wrote: 2009/2/8 tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com: I wasn't able to find a lot of information, but here's a useful link:

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-08 Thread tedd
At 8:44 PM + 2/8/09, Stuart wrote: 2009/2/8 tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com: just trying to get a handle on the number of people who program in php -- what's wrong with wanting to know that figure? There's nothing wrong with wanting to know it, there's just no reliable way to measure it

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-08 Thread tedd
At 3:37 PM -0500 2/8/09, Paul M Foster wrote: Perhaps a better question then might be how many IIS servers are there out there compared to Apache. Apache servers uniformly support PHP, but I think only IIS servers support ASP (I could be wrong). There's also the FOSS argument. I'm continually

Re: [PHP] PHP usage stats

2009-02-08 Thread Stuart
2009/2/8 tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com: At 8:44 PM + 2/8/09, Stuart wrote: 2009/2/8 tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com: just trying to get a handle on the number of people who program in php -- what's wrong with wanting to know that figure? There's nothing wrong with wanting to know it,

[PHP] PHP Usage Stats

2001-11-09 Thread Chris
Are there any refrences that would indicate the percent of sites (PHP installs) using various versions of PHP (i.e., 60% PHP4, 30% PHP3, etc.)? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To

Re: [PHP] PHP Usage Stats

2001-11-09 Thread Matt McClanahan
On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 10:11:50AM -0800, Chris wrote: Are there any refrences that would indicate the percent of sites (PHP installs) using various versions of PHP (i.e., 60% PHP4, 30% PHP3, etc.)? See the top of http://php.net which refers to usage stats provided by Netcraft and

Re: [PHP] PHP Usage Stats

2001-11-09 Thread Chris
That Report doesn't seem to identify PHP version only total Matt McClanahan wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 10:11:50AM -0800, Chris wrote: Are there any refrences that would indicate the percent of sites (PHP installs) using various versions of PHP (i.e., 60% PHP4, 30% PHP3, etc.)? See