On Wed, August 24, 2005 7:32 am, Rick Emery wrote:
Quoting Richard Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Just for a test case, write a 10-line ASP script that does something
similar, if much simpler, and pound on it on the same box with the
Padcom clients.
I did that when the problem first appeared.
On Tue, August 23, 2005 9:44 am, Rick Emery wrote:
Quoting Rick Emery [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Ugh, we're *never* going to make a decision. My boss just sent me
this email:
I wrote an application, using PHP5, that displays a list and refreshes
every 30 seconds (the data is constantly changing,
Just a quick note to thank everybody who has replied. I've been getting
a lot of feedback, and won't be able to reply to all of the messages
I've received, but I appreciate each and every one of them and don't
want anybody to feel left out.
Thanks again,
Rick
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When once you have
Quoting Jay Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Have you tried PHP 4.x? Give that a shot and see what effects that
has on the application.
I've recommended that as a troubleshooting step, and it's a great idea.
If it ends up working out, I'll almost be bummed because I like some of
the new features
Quoting Miles Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Rick,
Deepest sympathy.
So you have a solution which works, for everyone, but doctrine
dictates differently. I'd suspect VPN / IIS interaction.
If I was your manager, I'd take comfort from the FACT that you were
able to switch everything over to
Quoting Jim Moseby [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Can they access other (non-php) pages on that server during one of these
failures?
No. I wrote an ASP page that displays the same data with the same
refresh rate. When the PHP app fails, the ASP page is also
inaccessible. I thought this proved it wasn't
Quoting Nathan Tobik [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
snip
Have you tried PHP 4.x? Give that a shot and see what effects that has
on the application.
/snip
We have used PHP with IIS and SQL Server like you said, I can say from
experience that PHP 5 had the same problems as the initial poster
described.
Quoting Richard Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Just for a test case, write a 10-line ASP script that does something
similar, if much simpler, and pound on it on the same box with the
Padcom clients.
I did that when the problem first appeared. Great minds think alike :-)
I'm betting you'll have
I'm betting you'll have the SAME ISSUE, and that the problem has
NOTHING to do with PHP whatsoever.
And you'd win that bet. I thought that would be the proof I'd need to
show that it wasn't PHP, but management has some notion that PHP might
have somehow tainted IIS.
Gotta love a management
I'm betting you'll have the SAME ISSUE, and that the problem has
NOTHING to do with PHP whatsoever.
And you'd win that bet. I thought that would be the proof I'd need to
show that it wasn't PHP, but management has some notion that PHP might
have somehow tainted IIS.
Gotta love a
I've tried to tell the that there are Fortune 500 companies running
PHP on Windows and IIS (there are, right?).
Target, Tickmaster, Yahoo, Amazon, and the list goes on and on.
Not too sure about this:
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=amazon.com
It's too bad you have to use Windows and IIS. Just curious but why are
they not wanting to use Linux? Do they know it's free and way less likely
to be attacked?
I've made this argument numerous times. Management seemed to be receptive,
and I thought they were starting to change their
On Mon, August 22, 2005 12:03 pm, Robert Cummings wrote:
On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 14:16, Rick Emery wrote:
I read the following article and I wanted your feedback on it.
http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2002/papers/html/php/#section_6. I
I only read half-way through it...
His first thesis
Quoting Rick Emery [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Ugh, we're *never* going to make a decision. My boss just sent me this email:
A *huge* THANK YOU! to everybody who replied; it was extremely
helpful and, after my meeting with my manager this morning, she seemed
to accept that the article was dated and
Ugh, we're *never* going to make a decision. My boss just sent me
this email:
A *huge* THANK YOU! to everybody who replied; it was extremely
helpful and, after my meeting with my manager this morning, she seemed
to accept that the article was dated and had inaccurate information.
Thanks for
At 01:44 PM 8/23/2005, Rick Emery wrote:
Quoting Rick Emery [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Ugh, we're *never* going to make a decision. My boss just sent me this email:
A *huge* THANK YOU! to everybody who replied; it was extremely helpful
and, after my meeting with my manager this morning, she seemed
snip
Have you tried PHP 4.x? Give that a shot and see what effects that has
on the application.
/snip
We have used PHP with IIS and SQL Server like you said, I can say from
experience that PHP 5 had the same problems as the initial poster
described. The pages would time out and hang randomly.
We set the application up on a Windows 2000 Server with IIS (5, I
think), and it would work fine for about a day. Then Padcom clients
kept stopping. They'd request the page and, after a loong time,
display a message that the request timed out.
Can they access other (non-php) pages on
Quoting Rick Emery [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
My employer has (finally) decided to take full advantage of our
intranet, and wants to move from client-server applications to
web-based applications.
[snipped]
Any input would be greatly appreciated. Opinions are welcome
(especially from programmers
[snip]
Anybody care to provide words of wisdom to me before I meet with her? I
hate doing this, as I'm sure everybody has better things to do, but I
*really* want to sell PHP.
[/snip]
6. When to Use PHP
[snip]
How much control will you have over the deployment platform? PHP's
one-size-fits-all
On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 14:16, Rick Emery wrote:
http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2002/papers/html/php/#section_6
Wow, that sure is a crock of FUD bullshit. I'll answer in order of
appearance, I don't want to quote in case of copyright issues.
1. Most interesting settings in php.ini can be set
On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 14:51, Alan Fullmer wrote:
So pardon me butting in on this conversation..
I was completely unaware that you were able to do separate php.ini files.
I did know you could do things through htaccess, etc. Is there a way to do
this separately in http.conf? with
On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 14:16, Rick Emery wrote:
I read the following article and I wanted your feedback on it.
http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2002/papers/html/php/#section_6. I
Just another small comment on this... It's interesting to note that the
author headlines the specific section as
I've been coding in PHP since version 3 and I actually sold a
telecommunications company to use it for their HUGE intranet back in
2000 (right before they went out of business in North America). They
wanted to use Java and I talked them out of it for the simple fact that
PHP was so easy to
Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote:
You've insinuated several times that PHP is not 'scalable to an
enterprise level'. Could you perhaps explain what you mean by this?
Anyone who is trying to argue that ColdFusion is easier to scale than
PHP (both can be made to) hasn't had to handle significant
On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 19:01, Mark Charette wrote:
It is always funny to read that one needs OO approches to do anything
useful. What one needs is a modular approach, re-factoring, and knowing
I never said that you NEED OO approach to do anything. I found some
problems where an OO approach
Andrew Scott wrote:
I agree with you, but why does the installer package not come with
everything to get you going to begin with, that was my original
question to begin with a long time ago not on this list of course.
I can't speak for whoever made the decision to keep what's included with
When you reply please include the list in the recipients!
Andrew Scott wrote:
Well at least I know that there are a few developers in here that are not
very savvy when it comes to Enterprise Solutions with J2EE then.
That's a fair point, but rather than pointing it out it would be helpful
if
Hey it's not my fault that this stupid list needs a reply all!
I am going to guess Stut, that you don't know even know what the difference
between a singleton instantiated object is to a standard instantiated
object?
You know for a php developer your really don't know your own product to
well,
[snip]
Hey it's not my fault that this stupid list needs a reply all!
[/snip]
That's enough. This has begun to degrade into a pissing contest.
Personal attacks don't fly here.
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Andrew Scott wrote:
Hey it's not my fault that this stupid list needs a reply all!
snip
Learn how to use your mail client instead of expecting someone to
bastardize the email headers.
Andrew, meet /dev/null; /dev/null this is Andrew.
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To: php-general@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP vs. ColdFusion
Andrew Scott wrote:
Hey it's not my fault that this stupid list needs a reply all!
snip
Learn how to use your mail client instead of expecting someone to
bastardize the email headers.
Andrew, meet /dev/null
: [PHP] PHP vs. ColdFusion
John you're funny.
No serious, these php lists don't work like the normal mailing lists where
it send to an email address that is then broadcast to subscribers.
But I guess you get what you pay for:-)
-Original Message-
From: John Nichel [mailto:[EMAIL
@lists.php.net
Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP vs. ColdFusion
You need to define 'normal mailing list'. I'm on about 20 different lists
and only one of them has a default of 'reply to all'.
George
-Original Message-
From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 1 July 2005 3:22 pm
To: 'John
George Pitcher wrote:
You need to define 'normal mailing list'. I'm on about 20 different lists
and only one of them has a default of 'reply to all'.
'Normal', as in 'point and click users' mailing lists. You know the
lists where they have to _hack_ the headers to add a Reply-To because
the
On 7/1/05, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey it's not my fault that this stupid list needs a reply all!
My reply-to-all button is right next to my reply button. Sounds like
the pebkac to me.
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On 7/1/05, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But I guess you get what you pay for:-)
Feel free to go away if the deal isn't working for you.
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Greg Donald wrote:
snip
Sounds like the pebkac to me.
What is my marketing manager doing over there? ;)
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Hello Andrew,
Friday, July 1, 2005, 3:32:14 PM, you wrote:
AS Well I am on about 20-30 as well, and when I press reply it goes to a
AS mailinglist address for broadcasting not the posters email address.
Most likely because they've bastardised the mail headers to force in a
reply-to address that
Andrew Scott wrote:
Hey it's not my fault that this stupid list needs a reply all!
While I agree with Jay that this is degrading into a meaningless
slanging match (of which I hope I have not caused) but I feel that I
must respond to your comments despite your personal attacks.
I am going
Hello Andrew,
Friday, July 1, 2005, 3:06:49 PM, you wrote:
AS You know for a php developer your really don't know your own product to
AS well (blah blah blah)
Isn't it time to run off and write another check to Adobe or
something? Rather than personally attacking other list members.
Best
on
online servers.
-Original Message-
From: Stut [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2005 12:50 AM
To: Andrew Scott
Cc: php-general@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP vs. ColdFusion
Andrew Scott wrote:
Hey it's not my fault that this stupid list needs a reply all!
While
with the reply to field different to your
email address, your email client will add this line or did you not know
that?
-Original Message-
From: Richard Davey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2005 12:49 AM
To: php-general@lists.php.net
Subject: Re[2]: [PHP] PHP vs. ColdFusion
Hello,
I followed the discussions closely. I wanted to reply to some questions
I saw in the discussions.
I am using both PHP and Coldfusion, but both on Linux platforms. So, I
am not bound to Microsoft technologies, and CF runs faster on Linux/Unix
than on Windows.
Like PHP, there is no need
On 01/07/05, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Stut,
FYI here is a copy of the text after installing php.
snip
Warning
Be aware, that this setup of PHP is not secure. If you would like to
have a secure PHP setup, you'd better go on the manual way, and set
every option
Stéphane Bruno wrote:
Once you get to do very advanced things, you need
to code using Object Oriented approaches, modular programming, web
services, etc. which both products allow you to do.
I guess those non-linear crash codes I wrote in Fortran not so many
years ago aren't very advanced
On Wed, June 29, 2005 9:24 am, Andrew Scott said:
At the end of the day you, the guy around the corner and even me will use
what we need to use to get the job done. Don't get me wrong I like php, it
has a good support for free stuff, but it's a pain in the butt to
configure
it into a full
-Original Message-
From: Richard Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2005 5:54 PM
To: Andrew Scott
Cc: 'Rick Emery'; php-general@lists.php.net
Subject: RE: [PHP] PHP vs. ColdFusion
If you like CF and want to use it, more power to you. But you really are
wasting your time
Hello Andrew,
Thursday, June 30, 2005, 9:15:22 AM, you wrote:
AS Coldfusion is also free (Blue Dragon) and has just as much support
AS as PHP, although. PHP can not run in a J2EE environment, limiting
AS it to small scall websites and limiting the prospect of expansion
AS or server migration.
Richard,
And your point of before you pay your programmer is what one of my other
points was.
CF is very rapid development, and you might say the same about PHP. The
point is that these are all the things you need to take into consideration,
the cost that it would take to develop and maintain
Hi
Concerning php and J2EE, zend platform is providing a solid bridge between
both environment.
This as been specially build for developping big system (banking,
tracking, etc).
regards
david
Le Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:06:22 +0200, Richard Davey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
a écrit:
Hello
[snip]
Would you develop in a language that you know could not deliver an
enterprise solution if in 6 months that's what you really need, and how
would you look if you recommended a language because it was free, but in
time had to spend more again to make it fully scalable to an enterprise
level
On 6/30/05, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cons for PHP:
-
Coldfusion is also free (Blue Dragon) and has just as much support as PHP,
although. PHP can not run in a J2EE environment, limiting it to small scall
websites and limiting the prospect of expansion or server
Andrew Scott wrote:
snip
CF is very rapid development, and you might say the same about PHP.
The point is that these are all the things you need to take into
consideration, the cost that it would take to develop and maintain in
either language, as well as cost involved in the need of the
* Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
CF is very rapid development, and you might say the same about PHP.
The point is that these are all the things you need to take into
consideration, the cost that it would take to develop and maintain in
either language, as well as cost involved in the need of
.
-Original Message-
From: Brad Pauly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2005 10:54 PM
To: php-general@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP vs. ColdFusion
On 6/30/05, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cons for PHP:
-
Coldfusion is also free (Blue Dragon
[snip]
Cons for PHP:
-
Coldfusion is also free (Blue Dragon) and has just as much support as
PHP,
although. PHP can not run in a J2EE environment, limiting it to small
scall
websites and limiting the prospect of expansion or server migration.
I'm wondering if you could expand on
[snip]
What is J2EE, if you know the answer to that then you will know that php
doesn't have the ability to run as multiple instances. Lets take
security for example, php is known to not have an installer because of
security correct me if I am wrong on this assumption. I am only going by
what I
Andrew Scott wrote:
OK.
What is J2EE, if you know the answer to that then you will know that php
doesn't have the ability to run as multiple instances. Lets take security
for example, php is known to not have an installer because of security
correct me if I am wrong on this assumption. I am
On 6/30/05, Matthew Weier O'Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That doesn't address scalability, however. So, let's look at that. I'm
not sure how CF scales, not having been in a CF shop. However, I know
what I can do to scale PHP:
* Use code optimizers/bytecode caches (zend, apc,
Andrew Scott wrote:
OK.
What is J2EE, if you know the answer to that then you will know that php
doesn't have the ability to run as multiple instances. Lets take security
for example, php is known to not have an installer because of security
correct me if I am wrong on this assumption. I am
On 6/30/05, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK.
What is J2EE, if you know the answer to that then you will know that php
doesn't have the ability to run as multiple instances. Lets take security
for example, php is known to not have an installer because of security
correct me if I am
In a message dated 6/29/2005 11:26:08 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes a framework can be built in PHP, C# or any language but how would you
like to design something like this.
cfpage
cfframe
cfinputHidden Name=test Caption=New Record
cfinputText Name=FirstName
I have been a coldfusion developer for now 10 years almost, and can code
anything you want in a very short time. Have been learning PHP for now 6
months and I am sorry to say that I don't like PHP over coldfusion.
Now the problem is that with any language that you choose to develop in, it
all
* Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I have been a coldfusion developer for now 10 years almost, and can
code anything you want in a very short time. Have been learning PHP
for now 6 months and I am sorry to say that I don't like PHP over
coldfusion.
Now the problem is that with any language
Quoting Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I have been a coldfusion developer for now 10 years almost, and can code
anything you want in a very short time. Have been learning PHP for now 6
months and I am sorry to say that I don't like PHP over coldfusion.
Im always glad to get input from the
I normally don't top-post, but think I can get away with it just this
once, because I only wanted to say...
Well said.
Thanks,
Rick
Quoting Matthew Weier O'Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
* Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I have been a coldfusion developer for now 10 years almost, and can
code
Rick Emery wrote:
snip
(this is just a personal opinion, so
please, nobody get huffy).
/snip
*gets all huffy*
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Rick,
Yes a framework can be built in PHP, C# or any language but how would you
like to design something like this.
cfpage
cfframe
cfinputHidden Name=test Caption=New Record
cfinputText Name=FirstName Caption=First Name
/cfframe
/cfpage
The above is tags that I am referring to very
Hello Andrew,
Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 5:24:50 PM, you wrote:
AS cfpage
AS cfframe
AS cfinputHidden Name=test Caption=New Record
AS cfinputText Name=FirstName Caption=First Name
AS /cfframe
AS /cfpage
AS The above is tags that I am referring to very similar to java tag libraries,
AS
On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 12:24, Andrew Scott wrote:
Rick,
Yes a framework can be built in PHP, C# or any language but how would you
like to design something like this.
cfpage
cfframe
cfinputHidden Name=test Caption=New Record
cfinputText Name=FirstName Caption=First Name
/cfframe
Quoting Jochem Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
what is special about the MSSQL2K servers? do you have a lot of stored
procedures in it? stuff like that?
Exactly; the past mentality has been do everything through stored
procedures, so we have a *lot*. Also, my manager's boss (who has since
retired)
Quoting Jonathan Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Take a look at these, they are just some of the articles I've bookmarked
over the past
Oracle is now behind (well in support of) PHP
http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/php/index.html
IBM is also behind PHP (well in support of)
Quoting Brad Pauly [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
It might not be easy to put a number on, but consider your (and
possibly the other developers') enthusiasm about PHP. I would guess
that you will be more productive with something that you are excited
about.
Our senior developer and I (who come from a C
Quoting Matt Babineau [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Yeah - I'll second all of this. I'm a Certified Macromedia CF Developer,
why do you ask am I on this list? The answer is simple, php is better.
However with the recent developments in CF6, CF has become very comparable.
Why would I still choose PHP over
On 6/26/05, Rick Emery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My employer has (finally) decided to take full advantage of our
intranet, and wants to move from client-server applications to
web-based applications. To that end, we're trying to determine the best
platform for our applications. We're a
://www.criticalcode.com
-Original Message-
From: Brad Pauly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 11:09 AM
To: php-general@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP vs. ColdFusion
On 6/26/05, Rick Emery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My employer has (finally) decided to take full advantage of our
My employer has (finally) decided to take full advantage of our
intranet, and wants to move from client-server applications to
web-based applications. To that end, we're trying to determine the best
platform for our applications. We're a Microsoft shop, with Microsoft
SQL Server 2000 for all
Rick Emery wrote:
My employer has (finally) decided to take full advantage of our
intranet, and wants to move from client-server applications to web-based
applications. To that end, we're trying to determine the best platform
for our applications. We're a Microsoft shop, with Microsoft SQL
Take a look at these, they are just some of the articles I've bookmarked
over the past
Oracle is now behind (well in support of) PHP
http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/php/index.html
IBM is also behind PHP (well in support of)
I have two questions:
1) I've seen a lot of benching by pc magazine and they're saying how
great cold fusion is and how bad php is. However, they don't use Zend
in any of their tests. Does anyone know of benchmarks against popular
systems that include php + Zend?
2) What is the performance
On Mon, 7 May 2001, Jeff wrote:
I have two questions:
1) I've seen a lot of benching by pc magazine and they're saying how
great cold fusion is and how bad php is. However, they don't use Zend
in any of their tests. Does anyone know of benchmarks against popular
systems that include
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