[PHP] Re: phpclasses formerly Flash integration
Hi, several classes that provide different kinds of Flash integration: http://www.phpclasses.org/browse/class/102.html True, but going there has become a real pain in the ...you know where coz you get a crapload of popups, snip I understand you do not like ads. I do not like them either, but the truth is that if the site had no ads, it would had been closed by now because it takes money and all my time to keep the site up and running. /snip Nobody really likes ads but we have all come to accept them to a certain degree, I just feel it is very unresponsible and greedy of site owners to empty a cartload of ads onto their site once it gets popularthe page becomes 10% of content and 90% advertisments. snip I am sure that most users that care about this site would not like this site to be closed. So, think about the ads as a better solution then having no site at all. /snip I like the site too and wouldnt want it closed down, but lowering the number of ads per page would still keep the site running quite peacefully and money in your pocket, with the number of ads right now I'm betting you're looking more to saving up to buy a Ferrari asap than getting enough dough to run the site and a bit in your pocket. /snip The good news for users that really care is that, if all goes well, in the second semesters the site subscribers will have the option to access the site with ads by adhereing to the paid subscriptions plan. /snip Sounds good, will the developers who contributed to the site too have to pay 5$ per month or do they get an account for free? after all, without them the number of classes on your site would probably be less than the number of cousins I have :-) snip Subscribers that do not want to adhere to the paid subscriptions will still be able to access the same site resources as before, only with ads though. /snip Of course, those ads are never going to go less even after you run a paying service, right? snip Nobody will be required to pay anything, but people that want to get rid of the ads and benefit from other services will still have an option. I don't know how to make it more fair than this, but I am always open to suggestions. /snip Cool, heres one: when you open your paid service lower the number of ads on the pages for non paying subscribers, you are making money off the paying clients...so why not? As for expenses...last time I checked bandwidht and hosting charges are wayyy down, so even if you are on a dual xion 2.8ghz with a 100mbps connection and 1000gb bandwidth per month...it shouldnt cost you more than $337 per month BUT, since your site is so popular and related to computing and hosting, making a deal with the hosting companies shouldnt be a problem at all.which is good for you, but still does not explain the bonanza of ads per page. Bandwidth shouldnt be all that much of a problem either as you have more mirrors than a funny house at a carnival. snip I appreciate the time and patience of people that bother to make criticisms, especially if they show they are concerned with presenting viable solutions for the problems that they face. /snip And I appreciate you taking the time to answer my criticisms, I hope my suggestions are viable to you although i somehow dont think you would think so. snip I recommended the site to a pal of mine who is starting on php (with just a book and a few web links, i told him to join the list if he has probs) and he downloaded that cursorware or whatever from phpclasses...then i had to help him get the crap off his machine I am so sorry that your friend clicked on those ads and downloaded that software, but for the record the PHP Classes does not serve any of those downloads. As a matter of fact those ads are intermediate pages served by the advertising agency company. /snip I think thats a pretty poor excuse because you know quite well what the ad company is going to be serving on YOUR sites pages, those full page ads are *only* displaying the screensavers or icons from those junk companies that are installing spyware. Would you say the same thing if they were serveing _hardcore porn_ pictures from there? The bottom line is this: you can easily reduce the number of ads on that site without hurting yourself in any way, but you have decided to take the RIAA way and thump the very people who made your product a success just because you can and greedyness.. but please correct me if I am wrong.anybody? Regards, Ryan A -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: phpclasses formerly Flash integration
[snip] The bottom line is this: you can easily reduce the number of ads on that site without hurting yourself in any way, but you have decided to take the RIAA way and thump the very people who made your product a success just because you can and greedyness.. but please correct me if I am wrong.anybody? [/snip] I think that your entire response was out of line Ryan. Anyone who wants to make a profit deserves to do so. I would have to bet that the margin is not nearly high enough to 'buy a Ferrari'. He has worked hard for any success he has gained and for you to take him on over it is beyond comprehension. What is the motivation for your site, coinpass.com? Is it to make a profit? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Re: phpclasses formerly Flash integration
Hey Jay, I think that your entire response was out of line Ryan. Anyone who wants to make a profit deserves to do so. I would have to bet that the margin is not nearly high enough to 'buy a Ferrari'. He has worked hard for any success he has gained and for you to take him on over it is beyond comprehension. What is the motivation for your site, coinpass.com? Is it to make a profit? I have absolutly nothing against a developer or site making money if the person worked hard or not is not the issue at allI mentioned this in my very first mail. If he indeed buys a Ferrari I would still be happy for the guy, he has a very good site and i used to frequent it quite often. The part that irritates me is the amount of ads per page and those big ads that install spyware on a persons computerisnt it all of us who helped make the site popular by using it as often that we did (because we gained from it of course) and recommending it to other people (which we didnt gain at all...we jsut felt good about it)...and now we get screwed with a ton of ads. All I say is, he can still do very well while at the same time reducing the ads so its not such a PITA per page. Regards -Ryan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: phpclasses formerly Flash integration
I would normally prefer to not get involved at all, but in this case I would ask that we *just let this thread die*. All of the people that have responded to this thread are regular / helpful contributors to this group. If you take personal offense to ads or whatever then make this a private discussion instead of eating up the PHP news server's resources. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: phpclasses formerly Flash integration
I would normally prefer to not get involved at all, but in this case I would ask that we *just let this thread die*. All of the people that have responded to this thread are regular / helpful contributors to this group. If you take personal offense to ads or whatever then make this a private discussion instead of eating up the PHP news server's resources. Makes sense, no good can come of it anyway, it IS his site and if he want to have a big fu** you on the first page..., he can...its his site. Like I said above, no good can come from this and so this will be my last response to this matter, on or offlist. Most of you guys help me and i try to repay whenever i can (which is unfortunatly...rarely) makeing enemies over a silly difference of opinion on someone elses site is quite stupid...so..the end. Cheers, Ryan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: phpclasses formerly Flash integration
Hello, on 04/26/2005 03:25 PM Ryan A said the following: several classes that provide different kinds of Flash integration: http://www.phpclasses.org/browse/class/102.html True, but going there has become a real pain in the ...you know where coz you get a crapload of popups, snip I understand you do not like ads. I do not like them either, but the truth is that if the site had no ads, it would had been closed by now because it takes money and all my time to keep the site up and running. /snip Nobody really likes ads but we have all come to accept them to a certain degree, I just feel it is very unresponsible and greedy of site owners to empty a cartload of ads onto their site once it gets popularthe page becomes 10% of content and 90% advertisments. It is not a matter of greed but rather of keeping the site open dedicating full time to its support and development. snip I am sure that most users that care about this site would not like this site to be closed. So, think about the ads as a better solution then having no site at all. /snip I like the site too and wouldnt want it closed down, but lowering the number of ads per page would still keep the site running quite peacefully and money in your pocket, with the number of ads right now I'm betting you're looking more to saving up to buy a Ferrari asap than getting enough dough to run the site and a bit in your pocket. I wish that was true. The advertising generates enough money to keep the site alive but nobody is getting rich here. If only it would generate enough money so I could afford hiring staff to provide support to the users so I could dedicate more time to the development of new features I would be already happy. Unfortunately that is not the reality, even less affording Ferraris. /snip The good news for users that really care is that, if all goes well, in the second semesters the site subscribers will have the option to access the site with ads by adhereing to the paid subscriptions plan. /snip Sounds good, will the developers who contributed to the site too have to pay 5$ per month or do they get an account for free? after all, without them the number of classes on your site would probably be less than the number of cousins I have :-) It is a possibility to consider. Anyway what I can assure you that nobody that submits classes to the site granted automatically the right for free subscription. That would be bad because it would attract event more people to submit classes of questionable interest. Maybe only the authors of well rated classes will get free subscriptions. That would encourage the authors to submit better classes and keep supporting them. snip Subscribers that do not want to adhere to the paid subscriptions will still be able to access the same site resources as before, only with ads though. /snip Of course, those ads are never going to go less even after you run a paying service, right? snip Nobody will be required to pay anything, but people that want to get rid of the ads and benefit from other services will still have an option. I don't know how to make it more fair than this, but I am always open to suggestions. /snip Cool, heres one: when you open your paid service lower the number of ads on the pages for non paying subscribers, you are making money off the paying clients...so why not? I am afraid it would be unfair to paying subscribers if I dropped the ads exposed to non-subscribers. Maybe I will reduce the number or kind of ads that non-subscribers will be exposed over time, but that depends on the adherance of the paying subscribers. Probably that will only happen after I add a significant number of exclusive services that the paying subscribers may benefit. Time will tell. For now, there is a lot of work ahead. As for expenses...last time I checked bandwidht and hosting charges are wayyy down, so even if you are on a dual xion 2.8ghz with a 100mbps connection and 1000gb bandwidth per month...it shouldnt cost you more than $337 per month BUT, since your site is so popular and related to computing and hosting, making a deal with the hosting companies shouldnt be a problem at all.which is good for you, but still does not explain the bonanza of ads per page. Bandwidth shouldnt be all that much of a problem either as you have more mirrors than a funny house at a carnival. I don't know that yet. The site was just migrated to a dedicated server. I was warned that it is taking 150GB last month. That seems to be due mostly to the site e-mail newsletters and alert messages. For now I am not being charged because I just moved. I will have to see what the hosting people have in mind regarding the charges of the bandwidth which grows over time. snip I appreciate the time and patience of people that bother to make criticisms, especially if they show they are concerned with presenting viable solutions for the problems that
[PHP] Re: phpclasses formerly Flash integration
On 4/27/2005 1:29:02 AM, Manuel Lemos ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hello, Hi, Thanks for replying. I know I can take you up on a number of points that you have written that just dont add up, for example: It is not a matter of greed but rather of keeping the site open dedicating full time to its support and development. but like a fellow list member pointed out...this discussion will lead no where (and as another list member said...its like talking to a wall), the end point is; its your site...you can do what you want with it and you have. The only reason I am replying to this thread (for the last time) is to wish you the best of luck and to tell you I have nothing against you personally or if you make money from your site nor that your site is a success, we just have very different opinions on how to treat visitors to our sites and probably visiters in general. A few things though, more advise than arguement: 1) if you are on a dedicated server 150gb is not really much...depending on your budget I am sure many people can recommend a good host for you, I wont venture any names as I work with a couple of hosts myself...but many on the list can/will help. I personally pay $337 for a 1000gb bandwidht hosting and 2 160gb hdds (i can give you more specs if you need them), some might say its too much but I have some special needs with my host. 2)I am very familiar on how advertising works, name your ad company and I'll most likely be able to give you my customer number with them for you to verify my account/s as I've worked on quite a few sites for myself and clients BUT if you are serious about taking out those crappy spyware software ads from your site simply visit your site and click on any of the full page 10 second ads...they will lead you right to the company which in this case is: cursormania.com they have a bunch of sites around this site (a network) which gives the same My Web Search software. More info on the company and its goodies can be found by simply typing: spyware My Web Search on google or your favourite search engine. Just one point i cant let go: You are jumping to conclusions because in reality you do not know exactly how things work I'll say you are jumping to conclusions thinking I dont know how things work. On that point, best of luck, have a nice life, enjoy your Ferrari and Lamborghini. End of thread, end of taking up php generals bandwidth, end of argueing for no real reason or hopes of change and apologies to other people on the list if I offended you. Cheers, Ryan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: phpclasses formerly Flash integration
Hello, on 04/25/2005 11:28 AM Ryan A said the following: Hello, on 04/25/2005 06:17 AM Khuram Noman said the following: I want to develop a shopping car in flash using php so there any good tutorial or sample code that explain the flash integration with php It depends on what you mean by Flash integration. Here you may find several classes that provide different kinds of Flash integration: http://www.phpclasses.org/browse/class/102.html True, but going there has become a real pain in the ...you know where coz you get a crapload of popups, I understand you do not like ads. I do not like them either, but the truth is that if the site had no ads, it would had been closed by now because it takes money and all my time to keep the site up and running. I am sure that most users that care about this site would not like this site to be closed. So, think about the ads as a better solution then having no site at all. The good news for users that really care is that, if all goes well, in the second semesters the site subscribers will have the option to access the site with ads by adhereing to the paid subscriptions plan. These will be made available for a small fee (say USD $5/month) and among other benefits interesting to PHP developers, it will provide access to the whole site without absolutely no ads. Subscribers that do not want to adhere to the paid subscriptions will still be able to access the same site resources as before, only with ads though. Nobody will be required to pay anything, but people that want to get rid of the ads and benefit from other services will still have an option. I don't know how to make it more fair than this, but I am always open to suggestions. and a sh**load of ads, then to cap it all off before you actually download what you want you are presented a full page which prompts you to download a software which will get you better screensavers or one which will give you more smiley options, both the softwares come riddled with spyware/adware which is not too good for your compthese full pages stay for 10 secs or you have the option of skipping them while the 10 secs counter is going on. You are not prompted to download anything unless you click on any of those ads. Almost forgot, you also get a warning page page telling you about a bug in IE, EVERYTIME you try to download a package/class... this page too is loaded with ads of course. That page is not shown to non-IE users. I do not use IE, so I do not see that page ever. Therefore, it did not cross my mind it could be that annoying for people downloading many packages. The point of that page is certainly not to show more ads, but to avoid many repetitive support requests by IE users that are not able to download packages because of that IE bug. While trying to take that criticism seriously, I think the problem can be minimized by letting users set an option to not present the warning again, maybe using cookies. Therefore I submitted an enhancement request, so this issue can be addressed ASAP: http://bugs.phpclasses.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24 I'm sure to get quite a bit of flack for this email...so go right ahead, but before doing so please note: 1: I was/am quite a fan of the php classes site, its a good idea and very useful (although sadly i dont use the site anymore because of the above) 2: I have nothing against a developer making a money off his site/programs I appreciate the time and patience of people that bother to make criticisms, especially if they show they are concerned with presenting viable solutions for the problems that they face. but I think its quite shameful to ruin a good site by littering it with so many ads that it becomes an eyesore and a pain to visit...plus promote 2nd/3rd hand software from shady companies like cursormania/funwebproducts (do a google search on them) and lastly...show extra pages of content before giving the user what he wants just to deliver extra ads. Even adding this to my windows hosts file: 127.0.0.1 files.phpclasses.org so that all unnecessary graphics dont get displayed is not much of a advantage anymore as they are being served from a LOT of places...but it does help. The problem is not that simple. This is a site that is run by one person only (who happens to be me). Therefore, it is not viable to run after advertisers. That is a service that is outsourced to companies that act like advertising agencies. Such companies include Google, Tribalfusion and Fastclick. Therefore, often there is not a fine control of what ads go to the site. I can apply some filters but only after I see the ads. OTOH, there are some ad spaces where only such advertisers spend money, so I have no choice to let them go at the risk of annoying some users. Since the intention of the site is not to annoy the users, for now the site provides an option to disable pop-under and interstitial ads (those that appear when you click on a link to another page). That
