RES: [PHP] Short tag: why is it bad practice?
Andre : As Joshua says, the only php tags that always is enabled is ?php ?, this is the default php tag, and never can be disabled. This ? ? is enabled if short_open_tag is on And this % % is enabled if asp_tags is on But the default is off for both. Use this ?php ?, and forgive configuration options. Alejandro M.S. -Mensagem original- De: Joshua Kehn [mailto:josh.k...@gmail.com] Enviada em: terça-feira, 10 de maio de 2011 12:19 Para: Andre Polykanine Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Assunto: Re: [PHP] Short tag: why is it bad practice? On May 10, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Andre Polykanine wrote: Hi everyone, Many times I heard that the following two peaces of code are written in a bad manner: 1. ? echo Hello, world!; ? 2. form action=script.php method=post pYour e-mail: input type=text id=uemail name=uemail value=?=$f['Email']?/p ... /form As for now, I use both quite often. Why is this considered not kosher, I mean, good coding practice? Thanks! -- With best regards from Ukraine, Andre Skype: Francophile Twitter: http://twitter.com/m_elensule Facebook: http://facebook.com/menelion Because short tags aren't always enabled and can cause things to break when deploying code to different environments. Best practice dictates that your code should be as environmentally independent as possible. It's another few characters, why neglect it? Regards, -Josh Joshua Kehn | josh.k...@gmail.com http://joshuakehn.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Short tag: why is it bad practice?
-Original Message- From: Joshua Kehn [mailto:josh.k...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 8:19 AM To: Andre Polykanine Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Short tag: why is it bad practice? On May 10, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Andre Polykanine wrote: Hi everyone, Many times I heard that the following two peaces of code are written in a bad manner: 1. ? echo Hello, world!; ? 2. form action=script.php method=post pYour e-mail: input type=text id=uemail name=uemail value=?=$f['Email']?/p ... /form As for now, I use both quite often. Why is this considered not kosher, I mean, good coding practice? Thanks! -- With best regards from Ukraine, Andre Skype: Francophile Twitter: http://twitter.com/m_elensule Facebook: http://facebook.com/menelion Because short tags aren't always enabled and can cause things to break when deploying code to different environments. Best practice dictates that your code should be as environmentally independent as possible. It's another few characters, why neglect it? This is always a source of confusion. http://www.bin-co.com/php/articles/using_php_short_tags.php ?= $foo ? is generally NOT what the short tags controversy are about. It's the use of ? Some php here ? vs. ?php some php here ? While it is true that the 'short_open_tag' directive enables both (for some stupid reason), the issue is that it's poor form to use JUST ? And not ?php just as it's a bad idea to use % % (asp tags). Using ?= is perfectly fine and in my personal and professional opinion, preferred to the uglier ?php echo $foo; ? way This topic was very heated when the core PHP developers were going to remove the ? Form all together in future PHP 6 versions and everyone got their panties in a bunch because they assumed it meant the ?= form too (which it did not). http://php.net/manual/en/ini.core.php http://www.php.net/~derick/meeting-notes.html#remove-support-for-and-script- language-php-and-add-php-var -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Short tag: why is it bad practice?
Hello, So, as I've understood, the only issue with ? // blah-blah ? is the ?xml version 1.0? thing? Thanks! -- With best regards from Ukraine, Andre Skype: Francophile My blog: http://oire.org/menelion (mostly in Russian) Twitter: http://twitter.com/m_elensule Facebook: http://facebook.com/menelion Original message From: Daevid Vincent dae...@daevid.com To: php-general@lists.php.net Date created: , 9:55:23 PM Subject: [PHP] Short tag: why is it bad practice? -Original Message- From: Joshua Kehn [mailto:josh.k...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 8:19 AM To: Andre Polykanine Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Short tag: why is it bad practice? On May 10, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Andre Polykanine wrote: Hi everyone, Many times I heard that the following two peaces of code are written in a bad manner: 1. ? echo Hello, world!; ? 2. form action=script.php method=post pYour e-mail: input type=text id=uemail name=uemail value=?=$f['Email']?/p ... /form As for now, I use both quite often. Why is this considered not kosher, I mean, good coding practice? Thanks! -- With best regards from Ukraine, Andre Skype: Francophile Twitter: http://twitter.com/m_elensule Facebook: http://facebook.com/menelion Because short tags aren't always enabled and can cause things to break when deploying code to different environments. Best practice dictates that your code should be as environmentally independent as possible. It's another few characters, why neglect it? This is always a source of confusion. http://www.bin-co.com/php/articles/using_php_short_tags.php ?= $foo ? is generally NOT what the short tags controversy are about. It's the use of ? Some php here ? vs. ?php some php here ? While it is true that the 'short_open_tag' directive enables both (for some stupid reason), the issue is that it's poor form to use JUST ? And not ?php just as it's a bad idea to use % % (asp tags). Using ?= is perfectly fine and in my personal and professional opinion, preferred to the uglier ?php echo $foo; ? way This topic was very heated when the core PHP developers were going to remove the ? Form all together in future PHP 6 versions and everyone got their panties in a bunch because they assumed it meant the ?= form too (which it did not). http://php.net/manual/en/ini.core.php http://www.php.net/~derick/meeting-notes.html#remove-support-for-and-script- language-php-and-add-php-var -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Short tag: why is it bad practice?
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Daevid Vincent dae...@daevid.com wrote: ?= $foo ? is generally NOT what the short tags controversy are about. It's the use of ? Some php here ? vs. ?php some php here ? This is the same thing my colleague told me when I first joined and began learning PHP and is the reason we use ?= and ?php. While it is true that the 'short_open_tag' directive enables both (for some stupid reason), the issue is that it's poor form to use JUST ? And not ?php just as it's a bad idea to use % % (asp tags). This is what doesn't make sense to me. One camp says that short open tags are bad because the option is not always enabled, but that would include ?= as well. And if ? is only a problem when mixing PHP and XML--and you can always echo the XML directive anyway--I don't see that ? is actually a problem once you decide that ?= is okay (short_open_tags is enabled). The file extension is .php so it should be safe to assume that ? means PHP code follows just as ?= means a PHP expression follows. There must be some other reason why ? is bad while ?= is okay. If not, no big deal, and I'll probably keep using ?php anyway, but it seems odd that there would be so much controversy over it. This topic was very heated when the core PHP developers were going to remove the ? Form all together in future PHP 6 versions and everyone got their panties in a bunch because they assumed it meant the ?= form too (which it did not). Out of curiosity, did the original proposal for PHP 6 remove the short_open_tags setting (and thus ?= as well) or did it redefine ?= not to be a short open tag? David
[PHP] Short tag: why is it bad practice?
Hi everyone, Many times I heard that the following two peaces of code are written in a bad manner: 1. ? echo Hello, world!; ? 2. form action=script.php method=post pYour e-mail: input type=text id=uemail name=uemail value=?=$f['Email']?/p ... /form As for now, I use both quite often. Why is this considered not kosher, I mean, good coding practice? Thanks! -- With best regards from Ukraine, Andre Skype: Francophile Twitter: http://twitter.com/m_elensule Facebook: http://facebook.com/menelion -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Short tag: why is it bad practice?
On May 10, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Andre Polykanine wrote: Hi everyone, Many times I heard that the following two peaces of code are written in a bad manner: 1. ? echo Hello, world!; ? 2. form action=script.php method=post pYour e-mail: input type=text id=uemail name=uemail value=?=$f['Email']?/p ... /form As for now, I use both quite often. Why is this considered not kosher, I mean, good coding practice? Thanks! -- With best regards from Ukraine, Andre Skype: Francophile Twitter: http://twitter.com/m_elensule Facebook: http://facebook.com/menelion Because short tags aren't always enabled and can cause things to break when deploying code to different environments. Best practice dictates that your code should be as environmentally independent as possible. It's another few characters, why neglect it? Regards, -Josh Joshua Kehn | josh.k...@gmail.com http://joshuakehn.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
