Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-22 Thread Judson Vaughn
Isn't Eastern time zone minus 5 not plus 5 hours of GMT? Jud Sent from my iPad Jud at bizville.com Phone 703-303-4271 On Nov 21, 2011, at 11:34 PM, Tedd Sperling tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote: Why is that? By what you said, shouldn't the reports be offset (+5 hours) by the local timezone

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-22 Thread Curtis Maurand
On 11/22/2011 7:15 AM, Judson Vaughn wrote: Isn't Eastern time zone minus 5 not plus 5 hours of GMT? Jud It depends upon your point of view. ;-) It's generally understood that EST5EDT is GMT (UTC) -5 because eastern time is 5 hours behind. +5 puts you in India somewhere. Cheers, Curtis

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-22 Thread Geoff Shang
Hi, Apologies if this has moved on, I've not read all my mail from the last day and a half. On Mon, 21 Nov 2011, Tedd Sperling wrote: Let's consider this -- you are in a different time zone than me, right? You said UTC and mine is America New York. As such you claim is that your

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-21 Thread Tedd Sperling
On Nov 20, 2011, at 4:59 PM, Geoff Shang wrote: On Sun, 20 Nov 2011, Tedd Sperling wrote: I appreciate your time and comments. However, you missed the point I was trying to make, which does not have anything to do with timezones. If you copy my code and place it on any server in the

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-20 Thread Geoff Shang
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011, Tedd Sperling wrote: My observations are demonstrated here: http://www.webbytedd.com//strtotime/index.php this code would IMHO be more useful if it also displayed time, not just date. It's also not clear what timezone you're using, as it's not set as far as I can

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-20 Thread Tedd Sperling
On Nov 20, 2011, at 4:00 PM, Geoff Shang wrote: On Sat, 19 Nov 2011, Tedd Sperling wrote: Now, where are my observations wrong? The code is shown in the demo. To summarise, your observations are wrong because they do not take timezone into account and do not show the time, only the date.

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-20 Thread Geoff Shang
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011, Tedd Sperling wrote: I appreciate your time and comments. However, you missed the point I was trying to make, which does not have anything to do with timezones. If you copy my code and place it on any server in the world, you'll observe the same results as I did. NO I

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-19 Thread Lester Caine
Robert Cummings wrote: It's Friday... traditionally content anal-ness has been somewhat disregarded on this day. Need one go through the archives to see if you're being a tad hypocritical? Although it only seems to be this latest thread that seems to have got totally OTT even for a Friday.

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-19 Thread Robert Cummings
On 11-11-19 03:14 AM, Lester Caine wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: It's Friday... traditionally content anal-ness has been somewhat disregarded on this day. Need one go through the archives to see if you're being a tad hypocritical? Although it only seems to be this latest thread that seems to

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-19 Thread Tedd Sperling
On Nov 17, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Stuart Dallas wrote: On 17 Nov 2011, at 20:17, Tedd Sperling wrote: On Nov 17, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Stuart Dallas wrote: defined as the number of seconds elapsed since midnight Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) of Thursday, January 1, 1970 (Unix times are defined,

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-19 Thread Tedd Sperling
On Nov 18, 2011, at 12:40 AM, Robert Cummings wrote: By you're reasoning since I did not exist before 1974 then time itself could not possibly have existed before then either since I was not in existence to perceive it. That's as ludicrous as suggesting time did not exist before the big

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-19 Thread Stuart Dallas
On 19 Nov 2011, at 16:48, Tedd Sperling wrote: For example, if you push '-1' though strtotime(-1), you'll get Wednesday only one day a week -- whereas 'null' works every time. Technically I see that as a bug. I believe strtotime(null) should return null, but due to the way type inference

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-19 Thread Tedd Sperling
On Nov 19, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Stuart Dallas wrote: On 19 Nov 2011, at 16:48, Tedd Sperling wrote: For example, if you push '-1' though strtotime(-1), you'll get Wednesday only one day a week -- whereas 'null' works every time. Technically I see that as a bug. I believe strtotime(null) should

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-18 Thread Tommy Pham
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote:    http://shorl.com/tebrakefesahe ROFLMAO!!! Thanks Robert for starting off a good Friday for me :D -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-18 Thread Tim Streater
On 18 Nov 2011 at 05:40, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote: without a proof it's just farts in the wind :) No more valid than a theory of creation or the big ass spaghetti thingy majingy dude. Folded The theory of creation is not a theory. It's a hypothesis, as is scientific

RE: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-18 Thread Steven Staples
-Original Message- From: Fredric L. Rice [mailto:fr...@sonic.net] Sent: November 17, 2011 6:25 PM To: Stuart Dallas Cc: Tedd Sperling; PHP List Subject: Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List Consider this -- do you think the second before the Big Bang was negative or null? I don't

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-18 Thread Robert Cummings
On 11-11-18 05:15 AM, Tim Streater wrote: On 18 Nov 2011 at 05:40, Robert Cummingsrob...@interjinn.com wrote: without a proof it's just farts in the wind :) No more valid than a theory of creation or the big ass spaghetti thingy majingy dude. Folded The theory of creation is not a theory.

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-18 Thread Curtis Maurand
Robert Cummings wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: Given the discussion, I think the following is in order: BAZINGA * 2 And what does any of this have to do with PHP?  It's time to end this thread. --Curtis

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-18 Thread Fredric L. Rice
It's another nail in the coffin of deity constructors. Not even slightly. Totally since deity constructors only started to exist after the second generation of stars formed since the advent of hadronic life. But none of this has anything even vaguely related to PHP. Sure it does, the origins

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-18 Thread Fredric L. Rice
rc However, what is valid is to take a point of rc reference in time and infer a period before rc it. Thus before the big bang is perfectly valid rc whether we could perceive it or not. It's a question of asking what existed before anything existed, though. The answer is not even nothing since

Re: Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-18 Thread Fredric L. Rice
rc Thus before the big bang is perfectly rc valid whether we could perceive it or not. ts Not really. It's as meaningless as asking ts what's north of the North Pole. That's an interesting point. If you stand at the North Pole where all lines of reference converge, there is still Galactic North

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-18 Thread Robert Cummings
On 11-11-18 10:03 AM, Curtis Maurand wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: Given the discussion, I think the following is in order: BAZINGA * 2 And what does any of this have to do with PHP? It's time to end this thread. It's Friday... traditionally content anal-ness

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-17 Thread Tedd Sperling
On Nov 15, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Steven Staples wrote: tamouse.li...@gmail.com sent: tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote: PS: I know it's not Friday, but this question came up in class yesterday and I thought maybe all of you might like to guess why null is Wednesday? Wait.. What?? $ php -r 'echo

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-17 Thread Stuart Dallas
On 17 Nov 2011, at 16:01, Tedd Sperling wrote: To all: Okay, so now that we have had people reply, here's my take. The Unix timestamp started on 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 + -- and that was a Thursday. The second before (i.e., 31 December, 1969 23:59:59:59 + ) was null, which was

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-17 Thread Tedd Sperling
On Nov 17, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Stuart Dallas wrote: On 17 Nov 2011, at 16:01, Tedd Sperling wrote: To all: Okay, so now that we have had people reply, here's my take. The Unix timestamp started on 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 + -- and that was a Thursday. The second before (i.e., 31

RE: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-17 Thread HallMarc Websites
To all: Okay, so now that we have had people reply, here's my take. The Unix timestamp started on 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 + -- and that was a Thursday. The second before (i.e., 31 December, 1969 23:59:59:59 + ) was null, which was Wednesday. I take issue with this. The

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-17 Thread Stuart Dallas
On 17 Nov 2011, at 16:33, Tedd Sperling wrote: On Nov 17, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Stuart Dallas wrote: On 17 Nov 2011, at 16:01, Tedd Sperling wrote: To all: Okay, so now that we have had people reply, here's my take. The Unix timestamp started on 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 + -- and that was a

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Cummings
On 11-11-17 11:33 AM, HallMarc Websites wrote: To all: Okay, so now that we have had people reply, here's my take. The Unix timestamp started on 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 + -- and that was a Thursday. The second before (i.e., 31 December, 1969 23:59:59:59 + ) was null, which was

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-17 Thread Tamara Temple
On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Tedd Sperling tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 17, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Stuart Dallas wrote: On 17 Nov 2011, at 16:01, Tedd Sperling wrote: To all: Okay, so now that we have had people reply, here's my take. The Unix timestamp started on 01 Jan 1970

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-17 Thread Tamara Temple
On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:01 AM, Tedd Sperling tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 15, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Steven Staples wrote: tamouse.li...@gmail.com sent: tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote: PS: I know it's not Friday, but this question came up in class yesterday and I thought maybe all of

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-17 Thread Tedd Sperling
On Nov 17, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Stuart Dallas wrote: The epoch specifies the exact time that 0 represents. It makes no claims as far as that being the start of anything... defined as the number of seconds elapsed since midnight Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) of Thursday, January 1, 1970

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-17 Thread Geoff Shang
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011, Tedd Sperling wrote: On Nov 17, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Stuart Dallas wrote: The epoch specifies the exact time that 0 represents. It makes no claims as far as that being the start of anything... defined as the number of seconds elapsed since midnight Coordinated Universal

RE: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-17 Thread Fredric L. Rice
What if we were to throw in quantum duality in here? Null and !Null at the same time Please no, our company is trying to outsource to India and they're constantly trying to shove things through narrow slits and the effect has been costly. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-17 Thread Fredric L. Rice
Consider this -- do you think the second before the Big Bang was negative or null? I don't know. There's no point concerning ourselves with unanswerable questions. The question itself is a logical absurdity since there was no time prior to the Big Bang. The advent of time began when the

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-17 Thread Stuart Dallas
On 17 Nov 2011, at 23:24, Fredric L. Rice wrote: Consider this -- do you think the second before the Big Bang was negative or null? I don't know. There's no point concerning ourselves with unanswerable questions. The question itself is a logical absurdity since there was no time prior to

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-17 Thread George Langley
It's another nail in the coffin of deity constructors. - And just as this thread was getting boringly OT! ;-{)] George Langley Interactive Developer www.georgelangley.ca

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-17 Thread Stuart Dallas
On 17 Nov 2011, at 20:17, Tedd Sperling wrote: On Nov 17, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Stuart Dallas wrote: The epoch specifies the exact time that 0 represents. It makes no claims as far as that being the start of anything... defined as the number of seconds elapsed since midnight Coordinated

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Cummings
On 11-11-17 06:24 PM, Fredric L. Rice wrote: Consider this -- do you think the second before the Big Bang was negative or null? I don't know. There's no point concerning ourselves with unanswerable questions. The question itself is a logical absurdity since there was no time prior to the Big

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Cummings
On 11-11-18 12:40 AM, Robert Cummings wrote: On 11-11-17 06:24 PM, Fredric L. Rice wrote: Consider this -- do you think the second before the Big Bang was negative or null? I don't know. There's no point concerning ourselves with unanswerable questions. The question itself is a logical

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-15 Thread Tedd Sperling
On Nov 14, 2011, at 12:51 PM, George Langley wrote: Am concerned over the number of posts that appear to be from people trying to over-inflate their self-importance. If you are the world's best coder, then help those of us who aren't. If you happen to know a better way to do

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-15 Thread tamouse mailing lists
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Tedd Sperling tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote: PS: I know it's not Friday, but this question came up in class yesterday and I thought maybe all of you might like to guess why null is Wednesday? Wait.. What?? $ php -r 'echo date(l,NULL),\n;' Wednesday Cos: $

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-15 Thread Tamara Temple
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:24:17 -0600, tamouse mailing lists tamouse.li...@gmail.com sent: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Tedd Sperling tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote: PS: I know it's not Friday, but this question came up in class yesterday and I thought maybe all of you might like to guess

RE: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-15 Thread Steven Staples
-Original Message- From: Tamara Temple [mailto:tamouse.li...@tamaratemple.com] Sent: November 15, 2011 1:33 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:24:17 -0600, tamouse mailing lists tamouse.li...@gmail.com sent: On Tue, Nov

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-15 Thread Eric Butera
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 12:51 PM, George Langley george.lang...@shaw.ca wrote:        Am concerned over the number of posts that appear to be from people trying to over-inflate their self-importance.        If you are the world's best coder, then help those of us who aren't. If you happen to

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-15 Thread Govinda
You should have seen some of the lambasting that used to pass as discourse back when this list had traffic. :] I have to (humbly) admit that I for one like it that this list has less traffic now because it gives the illusion that I am keeping up ;-) -Govinda -- PHP General

[PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-14 Thread George Langley
Am concerned over the number of posts that appear to be from people trying to over-inflate their self-importance. If you are the world's best coder, then help those of us who aren't. If you happen to know a better way to do something that I'm struggling with, then please share

Re: [PHP] Sniping on the List

2011-11-14 Thread Fredric L. Rice
If you are the world's best coder That would be me. :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php