Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-26 Thread Richard Lynch
You are entirely correct. However, I (personally) feel that by pricing it so high you're targeting a very small niche market at a higher rate. Pricing it in the "$300.00" range would not cost you that niche - but it would gain you the "x-million" users/freelance developers. Sure, $6,000 is

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-26 Thread Christopher Allen
Unfortunately, it's not that simple. You haven't factored in Support costs nor administrative overhead nor... Well, I don't know what else the Marketing folks do when they figure these things out, but that's why I'm not in Marketing, eh? Right it's not my game either (marketing), but

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-26 Thread Richard Lynch
Unfortunately, it's not that simple. You haven't factored in Support costs nor administrative overhead nor... Well, I don't know what else the Marketing folks do when they figure these things out, but that's why I'm not in Marketing, eh? Right it's not my game either (marketing), but

RE: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Sander Pilon
Hello, What do you think about Zend position? http://php.weblogs.com/ http://zend.com/phorum/read.php?num=3id=6277loc=0thread=6277 I think that if Zend wants to sell it for $6000, then they have all right to. These guys have worked hard, and they deserve some cash for it. If people

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Jim Jagielski
Sander Pilon wrote: Hello, What do you think about Zend position? http://php.weblogs.com/ http://zend.com/phorum/read.php?num=3id=6277loc=0thread=6277 I think that if Zend wants to sell it for $6000, then they have all right to. These guys have worked hard, and they deserve

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread szii
IMHO, if you want to sell it then it's your right. You coded it, you own it, you get to sell it. But I do know that for $6,000 I sure as hell am not buying it. Maybe for a couple hundred...but $6,000? No way. I'd have to have some seriously proprietary kickass scripts that cost me a huge

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Jim Jagielski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I do know that for $6,000 I sure as hell am not buying it. Maybe for a couple hundred...but $6,000? No way. I'd have to have some seriously proprietary kickass scripts that cost me a huge investment in time/money to develop to blow $6,000 just on keeping

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread szii
You are entirely correct. However, I (personally) feel that by pricing it so high you're targeting a very small niche market at a higher rate. Pricing it in the "$300.00" range would not cost you that niche - but it would gain you the "x-million" users/freelance developers. Sure, $6,000 is 20x

RE: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Michael A. Peters
My question is- Does the encoder license permit a company to purchase the license, and then optionally encode php for third parties? Can I, for example, encode purchase the encoder, and then make a deal with John who can't afford the encoder to encode John's web application for $150 and give

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Jim Winstead
please, please take this discussion elsewhere. if you have questions for the zend guys about their pricing and want to lecture them on what you think the right pricing is, there are a number of message boards on their site that are more suitable. if you want to explore alternatives to the zend

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Jim Jagielski
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: Well, without the Encoder the entire *possibility* of "seriously proprietary kickass scripts" that people distribute and sell is out of the question. Let's not go overboard here. You can build and sell serious stuff without an encoder. Obfuscating the code is not

Re: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
I never said that obfuscating the code is a requirement for all people. I'd like to know where I said that. It's easy to make me sound like an idiot or worse when you put words in my mouth. I said that for some people it is. BIG difference. That was not how I understood what you wrote. You

RE: [PHP] Zend hit (Encoder price)

2001-01-25 Thread Dallas Kropka
] Zend hit (Encoder price) My question is- Does the encoder license permit a company to purchase the license, and then optionally encode php for third parties? Can I, for example, encode purchase the encoder, and then make a deal with John who can't afford the encoder to encode John's web application