[PHP] general research question (maybe a little OT, sorry)
Hi List, My boss recently called PHP good for hobbyists but REAL sites have to be done with Microsoft technologies. He wants to use Sharepoint for a wiki type site because of versioning. Can anyone point me to resources about versioning and inherent strengths and reliability of PHP? Thanks. -dg -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] general research question (maybe a little OT, sorry)
Hi List, My boss recently called PHP good for hobbyists but REAL sites have to be done with Microsoft technologies. He wants to use Sharepoint for a wiki type site because of versioning. Can anyone point me to resources about versioning and inherent strengths and reliability of PHP? Thanks. -dg A quick Google search for your PHB: http://news.com.com/2100-1023-963937.html?tag=lh The following sites have been known to use PHP: www.sourceforge.net (30 millions pv/month) www.audiogalaxy.com (Napster follow-up, dozens of millions per/month) http://livebid.amazon.com (a part of Amazon.com, bet has a good traffic) http://mp3.lycos.com (One of the largest MP3 search engines in the world by Lycos. Their traffic but must be measured in several dozens of millions pv/mon) http://xoom.com (a huge online multi-service site. the #1 competitor to GeoCities) www.capitalone.com (well known credit card company) www.ecrush.com (14 million hits a month on avg) www.bangable.com (4 million page views a month. All PHP/mySQL) www.amdmb.com (uses MySQL and PHP for everything. 5 million pages/mon) www.insight.com (is a publicly traded fortune 1000 company. The site is 90% PHP) www.ig.com.br (the 3rd largest Brazilian portal) www.goeureka.com.au/super.php (AltaVista in Australia) www.kinderstart.com (Major children's portal. PHP and mySQL and some Perl.) www.marketplayer.com (provides the real-time stock market simulations for sites like etrade.com and smartmoney.com that have these games) www.dc.com (Deloitte Consulting) www.dialpad.com (user registration and member backend is PHP driven) www.thewb.com (uses PHP for the interactive areas such as message boards, polls, etc.) also: www.nbci.com www.sprint.ca www.ElectronicArts.com www.f2s.com www.indy500.com www.planetsourceocde.com www.easydns.com www.admworld.com www.communityconnect.com www.viant.com www.chek.com www.yahoo.com Yes, Google uses PHP at least in few pages. http://toolbar.google.com/whatsnew.php3 http://toolbar.google.com/failed.php And guess what! The guy who wrote PHP, Rasmus Lerdorf, works at Yahoo! http://lerdorf.com/resume/ An article about the PHP scalability myth: http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2003/10/15/php_scalability.html Anything else? :) -- --Matthew Sims --http://killermookie.org -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] general research question (maybe a little OT, sorry)
Hi List, My boss recently called PHP good for hobbyists but REAL sites have to be done with Microsoft technologies. He wants to use Sharepoint for a wiki type site because of versioning. Can anyone point me to resources about versioning and inherent strengths and reliability of PHP? Thanks. -dg A quick Google search for your PHB: snip I guess I should have been more clear. I didn't list resources for what you were asking but mearly showing that major websites/companies do rely on using PHP. Does your PHB consider the list I provided hobbyists? -- --Matthew Sims --http://killermookie.org -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] general research question (maybe a little OT, sorry)
On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:44:32 -0700, lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My boss recently called PHP good for hobbyists but REAL sites have to be done with Microsoft technologies. He wants to use Sharepoint for a wiki type site because of versioning. Well, I can't dispute a person's opinion as far the hobby thing goes, since that's how I started with PHP. But now, years later, I look back and there sure are a lot of us using it, hobby or not: http://www.php.net/usage.php I will add that I've been feeding my family with my PHP skills for several years now. Can anyone point me to resources about versioning and inherent strengths and reliability of PHP? PHP strives to remain backwards compatible except in the most extreme cases, and only has compatibility breakages across major revisions. I know this from experience but I'm sure there are some docs to prove it as well. One of PHP's inherent strengths is it's super-low (easy) learning curve. You can be writing complex scripts in as little as a few days, possibly less if you're already a programmer in some other language like Java or Perl or C++. Another strength is the PHP manual. In my opinion no one scripting language on the planet has an online manual as good as PHP has. I can't begin tell you how many times I've copied and pasted code straight out of the manual to get the job done fast and efficiently. And last but not least, look where you are. You asked for help and you are getting help, fast and with no $'s required. Enjoy. :) Microsoft is very yucky in my opinion. I'll save that soap box for another day. -- Greg Donald Zend Certified Engineer http://gdconsultants.com/ http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] general research question (maybe a little OT, sorry)
My boss recently called PHP good for hobbyists but REAL sites have to be done with Microsoft technologies. He wants to use Sharepoint for a wiki type site because of versioning. :) real sites use iis -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] general research question (maybe a little OT, sorry)
lists wrote: Hi List, My boss recently called PHP good for hobbyists but REAL sites have to be done with Microsoft technologies. He wants to use Sharepoint for a wiki type site because of versioning. Can anyone point me to resources about versioning and inherent strengths and reliability of PHP? Thanks. -dg http://www.oracle.com/technology/pub/articles/hull_asp.html http://php.weblogs.com/php_vs_asp http://marty.anstey.ca/programming/php_asp.html As far as 'hobbyists'...well, that's a lack of an educated opinion (or someone who is either a MS sheep, or locked in via MS licenses). My 'hobby' pays me quite well. Tell your boss to pay attention to some of the 'hobbyists' using php the next time he's surfing the web. Or maybe pay attention to .NET items such as this (out of the hundreds of items like this)... http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/10/07/aspnet_security_flaw_can_bypass_password.html -- John C. Nichel ÜberGeek KegWorks.com 716.856.9675 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] general research question (maybe a little OT, sorry)
Matthew Sims wrote: snip The following sites have been known to use PHP: snip www.insight.com (is a publicly traded fortune 1000 company. The site is 90% PHP) snip Insight now uses CF. It was a political change, not one agreed on by the techies. -- John C. Nichel ÜberGeek KegWorks.com 716.856.9675 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] general research question (maybe a little OT, sorry)
lists wrote: Hi List, My boss recently called PHP good for hobbyists but REAL sites have to be done with Microsoft technologies. He wants to use Sharepoint for a wiki type site because of versioning. Can anyone point me to resources about versioning and inherent strengths and reliability of PHP? Thanks. -dg http://www.oracle.com/technology/pub/articles/hull_asp.html http://php.weblogs.com/php_vs_asp http://marty.anstey.ca/programming/php_asp.html As far as 'hobbyists'...well, that's a lack of an educated opinion (or someone who is either a MS sheep, or locked in via MS licenses). My 'hobby' pays me quite well. Tell your boss to pay attention to some of the 'hobbyists' using php the next time he's surfing the web. Or maybe pay attention to .NET items such as this (out of the hundreds of items like this)... http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/10/07/aspnet_security_flaw_can_bypass_password.html -- John C. Nichel Netcraft is a great resource tool. If you boss is so in love with Windows, why not PHP on Windows? http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2003/08/30/php_growing_surprisingly_strongly_on_windows.html -- --Matthew Sims --http://killermookie.org -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] general research question (maybe a little OT, sorry)
Oh please. Not even as a joke. On 7 Oct 2004, at 21:07, Matt M. wrote: My boss recently called PHP good for hobbyists but REAL sites have to be done with Microsoft technologies. He wants to use Sharepoint for a wiki type site because of versioning. :) real sites use iis -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] general research question (maybe a little OT, sorry)
On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:16:51 -0400, John Nichel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Insight now uses CF. It was a political change, not one agreed on by the techies. I don't know much about CF at all. Was it because of the shopping cart capabilities of CF? I read somewhere that was a top reason to use it and am curious to hear it from an actual developer. -- Greg Donald Zend Certified Engineer http://gdconsultants.com/ http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] general research question (maybe a little OT, sorry)
Matthew Sims wrote: snip The following sites have been known to use PHP: snip www.insight.com (is a publicly traded fortune 1000 company. The site is 90% PHP) snip Insight now uses CF. It was a political change, not one agreed on by the techies. -- John C. Nichel The list is probably a little out-of-date. Most likely, some sites have switched while at the same time new sites have been added. But you can't help miss the heavy hitters in the list: Yahoo Google Electronic Arts -- --Matthew Sims --http://killermookie.org -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] general research question (maybe a little OT, sorry)
-- Original message from Matthew Sims : -- www.thewb.com (uses PHP for the interactive areas such as message boards, polls, etc.) Up until September 2003 I was the developer for PHP applications for this site. To the best of my knowledge the message board is the only thing using PHP. Prior to the AOL/Time Warner merger the majority of interective content on the site was driven by PHP. But after the merger all developement started migrating to Vignette, I would estimate this was around 2001 or 2002. Occassionally if they needed quick turn around time a poll or sweepstakes would be done in PHP. The same holds true for kidswb.com. My knowledge is a little over a year old, but when I left my former position there was very little WB development being done in PHP. I went from spending 30+ hours a week doing it to well under 5. This was slightly off topic, but I would not use this site as an example of something that has a lot of php driven content. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] general research question (maybe a little OT, sorry)
Once heard someone say the same about wiki sites. 8-) Warren Vail -Original Message- From: lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 11:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PHP] general research question (maybe a little OT, sorry) Hi List, My boss recently called PHP good for hobbyists but REAL sites have to be done with Microsoft technologies. He wants to use Sharepoint for a wiki type site because of versioning. Can anyone point me to resources about versioning and inherent strengths and reliability of PHP? Thanks. -dg -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] general research question (maybe a little OT, sorry)
Greg Donald wrote: On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:16:51 -0400, John Nichel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Insight now uses CF. It was a political change, not one agreed on by the techies. I don't know much about CF at all. Was it because of the shopping cart capabilities of CF? I read somewhere that was a top reason to use it and am curious to hear it from an actual developer. I've never used it myself, and left Insight before the transformation was complete. We had built our own shopping cart system at Insight in PHP, and all was great with that. There was a VP there, in charge of the web marketing department who was in love with CF because he could point and click stuff (Steff from UF ;) I still talk to a few people that still work there, and according to them, a 'power struggle' in the different web departments left this marketing VP in charge of the whole ball of wax...now three years of work is gone (it wasn't just the php to go, custom C and Java API's, MySQL and Oracle, etc.) -- John C. Nichel ÜberGeek KegWorks.com 716.856.9675 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] general research question (maybe a little OT, sorry)
Hi List, My boss recently called PHP good for hobbyists but REAL sites have to be done with Microsoft technologies. He wants to use Sharepoint for a wiki type site because of versioning. Can anyone point me to resources about versioning and inherent strengths and reliability of PHP? Thanks. -dg How much does a Sharepoint license cost? How much does PHP cost? How much does Sharepoint support cost? How much does PHP support cost? Most of the time, the reason why managers like to go to Microsoft is that in the event of something going wrong, they have someone to complain to (aka Microsoft). Not many managers think a mailing list is a professional medium to get answers or results. Even though we rarely *coughcough* have to say RTFM around here, we do so because the answers are available to the lazy if they would just take a moment to READ. Managers don't want to read, they want someone to hold their hand. -- --Matthew Sims --http://killermookie.org -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
