Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-30 Thread Per Jessen
Larry Garfield wrote: On Monday 29 October 2007, Per Jessen wrote: Cristian Vrabie wrote: Hmm 117,223 hosts with php4 only support. Did you actually checked how many have php5 support? Many more. There are 178.112 hosters that have PHP5 support. I checked. Where and how did you check?

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-30 Thread Per Jessen
Larry Garfield wrote: Here's a bigger question: When will people stop using mysql_ as their example API, when PDO is more standard in PHP 5 and more secure, and mysqli is available as well? As always, the key question must be - what's the advantage of moving? When the developer benefits from

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-30 Thread Robin Vickery
On 30/10/2007, Per Jessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Larry Garfield wrote: On Monday 29 October 2007, Per Jessen wrote: Cristian Vrabie wrote: Hmm 117,223 hosts with php4 only support. Did you actually checked how many have php5 support? Many more. There are 178.112 hosters that have

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-30 Thread Larry Garfield
On Tuesday 30 October 2007, Per Jessen wrote: Larry Garfield wrote: Here's a bigger question: When will people stop using mysql_ as their example API, when PDO is more standard in PHP 5 and more secure, and mysqli is available as well? As always, the key question must be - what's the

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-30 Thread Cristian Vrabie
Robin Vickery wrote: On 30/10/2007, Per Jessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Larry Garfield wrote: On Monday 29 October 2007, Per Jessen wrote: Cristian Vrabie wrote: Hmm 117,223 hosts with php4 only support. Did you actually checked how many have php5 support? Many more.

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-30 Thread Robert Cummings
On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 09:10 -0500, Larry Garfield wrote: On Tuesday 30 October 2007, Per Jessen wrote: Larry Garfield wrote: Here's a bigger question: When will people stop using mysql_ as their example API, when PDO is more standard in PHP 5 and more secure, and mysqli is available as

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-30 Thread Per Jessen
Larry Garfield wrote: The sooner you convince new PHP programmers to do things in a naturally more secure way, the fewer bugs they will accidentally introduce later. And how do you go about convincing them? That's still the key question. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- PHP General Mailing List

[PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-29 Thread Hulf
Hi, It is about time I made the jump to 5, however the only thing that is holding me back is the problem with hosts. How many hosts still run php 4 and am I going to have to spend hours and hours persuading them to upgrade before I can run my code? I have very little time as it is and am

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-29 Thread Dave Goodchild
Support for php4 will be dropped at the end of the year so hosts will be forced to make the upgrade at some point. On 10/29/07, Hulf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, It is about time I made the jump to 5, however the only thing that is holding me back is the problem with hosts. How many hosts

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-29 Thread Per Jessen
Hulf wrote: It is about time I made the jump to 5, however the only thing that is holding me back is the problem with hosts. How many hosts still run php 4 and am I going to have to spend hours and hours persuading them to upgrade before I can run my code? There are at least 117,223 hosting

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-29 Thread Cristian Vrabie
Per Jessen wrote: Hulf wrote: It is about time I made the jump to 5, however the only thing that is holding me back is the problem with hosts. How many hosts still run php 4 and am I going to have to spend hours and hours persuading them to upgrade before I can run my code? There are

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-29 Thread Philip Thompson
On 10/29/07, Per Jessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hulf wrote: It is about time I made the jump to 5, however the only thing that is holding me back is the problem with hosts. How many hosts still run php 4 and am I going to have to spend hours and hours persuading them to upgrade before

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-29 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 08:52 +, Hulf wrote: Hi, It is about time I made the jump to 5, however the only thing that is holding me back is the problem with hosts. How many hosts still run php 4 and am I going to have to spend hours and hours persuading them to upgrade before I can run

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-29 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 09:42 -0500, Philip Thompson wrote: I think the real question is will listservs (like this one) stop supporting people running applications on PHP4 in 98 days ( http://gophp5.org/)? I'm not saying we should outcast *those people* who haven't transitioned, but will

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-29 Thread Per Jessen
Cristian Vrabie wrote: Hmm 117,223 hosts with php4 only support. Did you actually checked how many have php5 support? Many more. There are 178.112 hosters that have PHP5 support. I checked. You have hundreds of thousands of choices. And the pricing has quite leveled in the last period or

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-29 Thread Larry Garfield
On Monday 29 October 2007, Per Jessen wrote: Cristian Vrabie wrote: Hmm 117,223 hosts with php4 only support. Did you actually checked how many have php5 support? Many more. There are 178.112 hosters that have PHP5 support. I checked. Where and how did you check? Compiling such stats is

Re: [PHP] moving over to php 5

2007-10-29 Thread Larry Garfield
On Monday 29 October 2007, Philip Thompson wrote: I think the real question is will listservs (like this one) stop supporting people running applications on PHP4 in 98 days ( http://gophp5.org/)? I'm not saying we should outcast *those people* who haven't transitioned, but will the