Re: [PHP] Ethics question...

2001-01-18 Thread Frank Joerdens
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 07:02:06PM -0800, jeremy brand wrote: Soo true. But why would Microsoft be using PHP? =D Why would Microsoft be using Solaris, or Linux even? (hint, the same reason -- their stuff works less good). Do you know for a fact that they do? If so, how? That'd be

Re: [PHP] Ethics question...

2001-01-18 Thread Brian Huddleston
Why would Microsoft be using Solaris, or Linux even? (hint, the same reason -- their stuff works less good). Do you know for a fact that they do? If so, how? That'd be a very cool tidbit of information to share . . . Yep it is (was) true. We used to laugh about it at work. (We were in

Re: [PHP] Ethics question...

2001-01-18 Thread John Hinsley
Frank Joerdens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (the context is Microsoft using other OSs) Do you know for a fact that they do? If so, how? That'd be a very cool tidbit of information to share . . . See also: http://www.unix-vs-nt.org/kirch/ A good document to hit clients/funders/bosses over the

Re: [PHP] Ethics question...

2001-01-17 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
There are no restrictions on that. In fact the license on PHP is explicitly not the GPL for this very purpose. As for restricting the demo. I would suggest restricting it via a license. Any serious customer is not going to violate a license in order to save a couple of hundred bucks. -Rasmus

Re: [PHP] Ethics question...

2001-01-17 Thread jeremy brand
There are no restrictions on that. In fact the license on PHP is explicitly not the GPL for this very purpose. How does the license of PHP have anything to do whith the code that Shane has written (unless he is distributing his software with PHP, much as like an embeded system)? This hits

RE: [PHP] Ethics question...

2001-01-17 Thread Maxim Maletsky
- From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 11:33 AM To: Shane McBride Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Ethics question... There are no restrictions on that. In fact the license on PHP is explicitly not the GPL for this very purpose. As for r

Re: [PHP] Ethics question...

2001-01-17 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
There are no restrictions on that. In fact the license on PHP is explicitly not the GPL for this very purpose. How does the license of PHP have anything to do whith the code that Shane has written (unless he is distributing his software with PHP, much as like an embeded system)? I have

Re: [PHP] Ethics question...

2001-01-17 Thread Kath
a customer like Microsoft, Morgan-Stanley, Amazon.com.. yes, but a new start-up that thinks: "when we'll grow we'll buy something cooler" will crack your soft down (or will ignore your license) ... I've seen it happening so many times... Soo true. But why would Microsoft be using PHP?

RE: [PHP] Ethics question...

2001-01-17 Thread Scott Gerhardt
Shane, This is highly off-topic but interesting and important enough to answer. It really boils down to who owns the product (intellectual copyright) and what sort of agreement you have with your client (ownership, confidentiality etc.). If your client paid you to develop the E-Commerce system

Re: [PHP] Ethics question...

2001-01-17 Thread jeremy brand
Soo true. But why would Microsoft be using PHP? =D Why would Microsoft be using Solaris, or Linux even? (hint, the same reason -- their stuff works less good). :) Jeremy Brand :: Sr. Software Engineer :: 408-245-9058 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [PHP] Ethics question...

2001-01-17 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
a customer like Microsoft, Morgan-Stanley, Amazon.com.. yes, but a new start-up that thinks: "when we'll grow we'll buy something cooler" will crack your soft down (or will ignore your license) ... I've seen it happening so many times... So what? They'll do that anyway unless you spend a

RE: [PHP] Ethics question...

2001-01-17 Thread Maxim Maletsky
- From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 12:09 PM To: Maxim Maletsky Cc: Shane McBride; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Ethics question... a customer like Microsoft, Morgan-Stanley, Amazon.com.. yes, but a new start-up that thinks: "when

Re: [PHP] Ethics question...

2001-01-17 Thread Egan
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:59:41 -0600, "Scott Gerhardt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your client paid you to develop the E-Commerce system they would typically own all rights to it unless otherwise agreed upon. I don't know what country you are speaking of, but in the U.S., that view is a commonly

Re: [PHP] Ethics question...

2001-01-17 Thread Angus Mann
At 21:24 17/01/01 -0500, Shane McBride wrote: I have spent a lot of time working on a specific E-Commerce (shopping-cart) to fill a need for a customer. Now that the project is complete, I would like to market the product, which is entirely PHP and MySQL. My question is: Is it ethical to sell

Re: [PHP] Ethics question...

2001-01-17 Thread Les Neste
What Egan wrote is very true. I speak with some knowledge -- having weathered a copyright violation suit based on the action of one of my employees -- and if you write it (as anything other than an employee) then you own it, 'it' being the source code and the program compiled from that source

RE: [PHP] Ethics question...

2001-01-17 Thread Dallas Kropka
compiler comes out you wont have a way to safely distribute the code hack proof (Read: less hackable =:) ) -Original Message- From: Shane McBride [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 9:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Ethics question... Wow, I

Re: [PHP] Ethics question...

2001-01-17 Thread Egan
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:56:18 -0500, Les Neste [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What Egan wrote is very true. I speak with some knowledge -- having weathered a copyright violation suit based on the action of one of my employees -- and if you write it (as anything other than an employee) then you own it,

Re: [PHP] Ethics question...

2001-01-17 Thread Egan
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 02:45:01 -0500, "Romulo Roberto Pereira" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Copyright? This do not exist!!! See the case of NAPSTER The law is one thing. Whether people obey it or not, is another. Egan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: [PHP] Ethics question...

2001-01-17 Thread Les Neste
At 02:50 AM 1/18/2001 -0500, Egan wrote: On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 02:45:01 -0500, "Romulo Roberto Pereira" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Copyright? This do not exist!!! See the case of NAPSTER The law is one thing. Whether people obey it or not, is another. I agree. I would also say that the law is