RE: RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-14 Thread Miguel Cruz
On Mon, 13 May 2002, SHEETS,JASON (Non-HP-Boise,ex1) wrote: Yes even if you take some steps to protect your code it may still be distributed, but it WILL be distributed if you don't. Think about security, as a sysadmin I can't just not apply security updates, you apply every security update

RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-14 Thread SP
AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection Step 1: Run the files through a prettyprinter. That instantly restores the indentation and line breaks. Step 2: Open up in a text editor like TextPad that has multi-file search-and-replace

RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-14 Thread Collins, Robert
Message- From: Jason Soza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 5:12 PM To: Collins, Robert Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection For what it's worth, it's been my experience that people that have the freetime to hack

RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-14 Thread Collins, Robert
IMHO The best way as a contractor to protect yourself against dishonest companies or people is a contract. However, there maybe a simple method to programmatically help. Put something like this in the top of each of the pages that have common functions PSUDO CODE

Re: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-14 Thread Gerard Samuel
I like this idea... Collins, Robert wrote: IMHO The best way as a contractor to protect yourself against dishonest companies or people is a contract. However, there maybe a simple method to programmatically help. Put something like this in the top of each of the pages that have common

Re: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-14 Thread Stuart Dallas
Collins, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Put something like this in the top of each of the pages that have common functions PSUDO CODE if(file_exists(/path/to/file/core_functions.php)){ $core_functions = /path/to/file/core_functions.php; }else{

Re: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-14 Thread 1LT John W. Holmes
From: Stuart Dallas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Collins, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Put something like this in the top of each of the pages that have common functions PSUDO CODE if(file_exists(/path/to/file/core_functions.php)){ $core_functions =

RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-14 Thread Collins, Robert
]] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 10:00 AM To: Stuart Dallas; Collins, Robert; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection From: Stuart Dallas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Collins, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Put something like this in the top of each

Re: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-14 Thread Jason Wong
On Tuesday 14 May 2002 23:00, 1LT John W. Holmes wrote: From: Stuart Dallas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Collins, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Put something like this in the top of each of the pages that have common functions PSUDO CODE

Re: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-14 Thread 1LT John W. Holmes
[snip] That's exactly what you need :) Have some core functions that are remotely accessed. for example: $result = file(http://www.myserver.com/functions/square_root.php?input=4;); Then at www.myserver.com the square_root.php file would contain: ? echo sqrt($input); ? Does anyone

RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-14 Thread Miguel Cruz
On Tue, 14 May 2002, Collins, Robert wrote: $core_functions = http://www.domain.com/path/to/file/core_functions.php;; require_once($core_functions); 1) You'd have to eval() it rather than requiring it. 2) lynx -source -dump

Re: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-14 Thread 1LT John W. Holmes
- Original Message - From: Miguel Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 14 May 2002, Collins, Robert wrote: $core_functions = http://www.domain.com/path/to/file/core_functions.php;; require_once($core_functions); 1) You'd have to eval() it rather than requiring it. I

Re: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-14 Thread Miguel Cruz
On Tue, 14 May 2002, 1LT John W. Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: Miguel Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 14 May 2002, Collins, Robert wrote: $core_functions = http://www.domain.com/path/to/file/core_functions.php;; require_once($core_functions); 1) You'd

Re: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-14 Thread Jason Wong
On Wednesday 15 May 2002 03:24, 1LT John W. Holmes wrote: Does anyone see any flaws in this? As long as you realize that any method like this is just going to be retrieving a string, basically. You don't get any PHP code back, you just get the results of the PHP code. So in your example,

RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-13 Thread Udo Giacomozzi
I don't think the success of a commercial product depends on whether it's source is public or not. But it may depend if the product can be easily stolen or multiplied. Sure, you can simply trust people that they act honestly and lefally but that isn't always the case. Let's assume you made a

Re: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-13 Thread 1LT John W. Holmes
Sure there is no 100% secure copy protection. I think the question is: how can I make it most difficult to break? The term I use is keeping honest people out Also, if you're on active duty military, don't write anything for them. From the few responses I've seen to a question I asked, the

Re: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-13 Thread Udo Giacomozzi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (1lt John W. Holmes) wrote in 003301c1fa80$6cdfd1d0$2f7e3393@TB447CCO3:">news:003301c1fa80$6cdfd1d0$2f7e3393@TB447CCO3: The term I use is keeping honest people out Not necessarily. If the whole thing is designed the right way. A copy protection I like for example are

RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-13 Thread SP
, 2002 3:29 PM To: Udo Giacomozzi Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection On 13 May 2002, Udo Giacomozzi wrote: If the whole thing is designed the right way. A copy protection I like for example are dongles. Ok, they are not applicable

Re: RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-13 Thread Jason Soza
PROTECTED] Date: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:48 pm Subject: RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection Everyone is arguing that these encoders can be cracked. Does anyone know of one, have you done it yourself? How long did it take? I mean I'm not going to leave my door

RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-13 Thread Collins, Robert
This thread was started to discuss how a contract programmer can protect himself from getting ripped of by an dishonest person or company not every little hacker in the world. SNIP It only takes one person with some free time to break your protection scheme, and then the cat's out of the bag.

RE: RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-13 Thread SHEETS,JASON (Non-HP-Boise,ex1)
Soza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 4:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection I think the point of all this, and I'm sure I'll be corrected if I've misunderstood, you can spend your time encrypting

RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-13 Thread SP
- From: Miguel Cruz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: May 13, 2002 10:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection Well, I promise you that I can re-activate any solely PHP-based remote killswitch in a matter of minutes - maybe hours

RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-10 Thread SP
: RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection Obviously most coders are in the middle ground. They are not writing the killer app of all time but is of significant value. I don't know what people on here are charging but I can't add $2880 a year to my overhead

RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-10 Thread David Freeman
So I should buy a commerical product from zend to protect my code but since my code will be reversed engineered anyways then what's the point of buying from zend? That's your choice. It's also my point. If you can't be 100% secure then perhaps you should be looking at what you're

RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-09 Thread David Freeman
I was talking in general. The BBS was simply an example to make things clearer. I am *not* developing a BB system! If you want you can think of a immaginary tool that makes a website load twice as fast, need the half web space and makes the website look nicer, of course at lower

RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-09 Thread SP
PROTECTED]] Sent: May 9, 2002 5:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection I was talking in general. The BBS was simply an example to make things clearer. I am *not* developing a BB system! If you want you can think of a immaginary

RE: [PHP] Genus who came up with Self Destruct Code Copy Pro tection

2002-05-09 Thread David Freeman
Obviously most coders are in the middle ground. They are not writing the killer app of all time but is of significant value. I don't know what people on here are charging but I can't add $2880 a year to my overhead for the zend encoder. Plus add $1875 per cpu for the zend