Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-18 Thread franzemmanuel

Robert Cummings a écrit :

On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 10:47 +, Richard Heyes wrote:

Floppies hold 1.4 megs now?  Mine don't and they're even dual-sided. :(

What are Floppies? Is it a reference to a particular male problem?


If so, then I want to know what dual sided means?

Cheers,
Rob.

and me High Density !!! :)

Truely,
Zeuf

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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-17 Thread Lupus Michaelis

Daniel Brown a écrit :


You'd be surprised.  The For Dummies series is one of the
best-selling franchises in mainstream publishing history.


  Best-selling are not a proof of quality.

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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-17 Thread Robert Cummings
On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 10:47 +, Richard Heyes wrote:
  Floppies hold 1.4 megs now?  Mine don't and they're even dual-sided. :(
 
 What are Floppies? Is it a reference to a particular male problem?

If so, then I want to know what dual sided means?

Cheers,
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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-17 Thread David Robley
Daniel Brown wrote:

 On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 17:11, Jay Moore jaymo...@accu-com.com wrote:

 Ok.  Let me back them up to these reel-to-reel tapes quick, just in case.
 
 Just be careful that you don't get the Michaelangelo or Friday The
 13th viruses especially if you're converting over on a C-64 1541
 drive.
 

What? They were cross platform? I recall copping Michaelangelo on Win 3.n
from some commercial software floppy. Not nice - it cleaned out the FAT or
something equally nasty. A reinstall was called for :-)


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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-17 Thread David Robley
Lupus Michaelis wrote:

 Daniel Brown a écrit :
 
 You'd be surprised.  The For Dummies series is one of the
 best-selling franchises in mainstream publishing history.
 
Best-selling are not a proof of quality.
 

Viz: Windows Version xx.x


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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-17 Thread Richard Heyes
 Floppies hold 1.4 megs now?  Mine don't and they're even dual-sided. :(

What are Floppies? Is it a reference to a particular male problem?

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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-17 Thread Richard Heyes
 Sounds like you need Self Esteem for Dummies.

Lol. It's not a question of self-esteem, more based on the number of
non-starter businesses I've attempted to start.

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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-17 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 13:13 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:
 On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 10:47 +, Richard Heyes wrote:
   Floppies hold 1.4 megs now?  Mine don't and they're even dual-sided. :(
  
  What are Floppies? Is it a reference to a particular male problem?
 
 If so, then I want to know what dual sided means?
 
 Cheers,
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Maybe it means the state affects you independent of sexual
preference? ;)


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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-17 Thread Nathan Rixham

Ashley Sheridan wrote:

On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 13:13 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:

On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 10:47 +, Richard Heyes wrote:

Floppies hold 1.4 megs now?  Mine don't and they're even dual-sided. :(

What are Floppies? Is it a reference to a particular male problem?

If so, then I want to know what dual sided means?

Cheers,
Rob.
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Maybe it means the state affects you independent of sexual
preference? ;)


Ash
www.ashleysheridan.co.uk



and if you tape over the little whole in you're floppy you can use it 
again :)


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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-17 Thread Matty Sarro
When you really want to learn a language, I find it useful to have a book
that teaches you the language, and then a book for reference.

Head First PHP is a GREAT starter book, especially if you're the type whose
eyes glaze over when you're presented with walls of text. Its easy to read
and very visually appealing. Plus it does a great job of teaching.
http://www.amazon.com/Head-First-MySQL-Lynn-Beighley/dp/0596006306

As for reference, php.net is the best book out there. Beyond that, the Zend
Certification guide and the o'reilly books you really can't lose.


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jhar...@harris4interactive.com wrote:

 Hi guys/gals. I'm a first time user. Does anyone know of a good php book?



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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-16 Thread jordan
 Ashley Sheridan a écrit :
 On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 16:33 -0600, jeffery harris wrote:
 Hi guys/gals. I'm a first time user. Does anyone know of a good php
 book?



 I tend to trust O'Reilly books a lot for all things programming,
 although I learnt largely with 'PHP, Apache, MySQL Web Development' from
 WROX.


 Ash
 www.ashleysheridan.co.uk

 Yes, I am agree with Ashley. This book must be read. But first, you
 should read the whole php documentations as Tim said (available on HTML
 offline). There is everything in it.

 Good luck !

 Zeuf

I learned from PHP For Dummies.
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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-16 Thread Richard Heyes
 I learned from PHP For Dummies.

The title of that book isn't doing itself any favours... :-)

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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-16 Thread Daniel Brown
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:25, Richard Heyes rich...@php.net wrote:
 I learned from PHP For Dummies.

 The title of that book isn't doing itself any favours... :-)

You'd be surprised.  The For Dummies series is one of the
best-selling franchises in mainstream publishing history.

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Re: Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-16 Thread Daniel Brown
Forwarded back to the list, Mario.  Please hit Reply-All to keep
it on the list.

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:44, Kastner Mario off...@unite-it.at wrote:
 I also read the for dummies book when i started with php. It gives me a 
 simple intro which power is behind php. My first application was a ftp client 
 explained by the book.  An essential is to read the online documentation on 
 php.net.


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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-16 Thread Richard Heyes
 I learned from PHP For Dummies.

 The title of that book isn't doing itself any favours... :-)

You'd be surprised.  The For Dummies series is one of the
 best-selling franchises in mainstream publishing history.

Still, calling your audience dumb is generally regarded as being a
bad thing. But then, I am pap at business... :-)

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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-16 Thread Jay Moore

Richard Heyes wrote:

I learned from PHP For Dummies.

The title of that book isn't doing itself any favours... :-)

   You'd be surprised.  The For Dummies series is one of the
best-selling franchises in mainstream publishing history.


Still, calling your audience dumb is generally regarded as being a
bad thing. But then, I am pap at business... :-)



Sounds like you need Self Esteem for Dummies.

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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-16 Thread Robert Cummings
On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 13:41 -0600, Jay Moore wrote:
 Richard Heyes wrote:
  I learned from PHP For Dummies.
  The title of that book isn't doing itself any favours... :-)
 You'd be surprised.  The For Dummies series is one of the
  best-selling franchises in mainstream publishing history.
  
  Still, calling your audience dumb is generally regarded as being a
  bad thing. But then, I am pap at business... :-)
  
 
 Sounds like you need Self Esteem for Dummies.

I would never buy a for Dummies book. It's tantamount to admitting
you're a dummy. Instead i buy the Idiot's guide series.

Cheers,
Rob.

Ps. That was a lame attempt at humour... I extract and distill knowledge
from the Internet and save myself from having to buy books.
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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-16 Thread Jay Moore



Ps. That was a lame attempt at humour... I extract and distill knowledge
from the Internet and save myself from having to buy books.



I hear they have that on computers now.  I should check it out one of 
these days.  Maybe I'll buy a book.


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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-16 Thread Brendon Van Heyzen

Web Database Applications with PHP  MySQL, PHP in action, and php.net
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On Dec 14, 2008, at 5:33 PM, jeffery harris wrote:

Hi guys/gals. I'm a first time user. Does anyone know of a good php  
book?




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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-16 Thread Robert Cummings
On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 13:50 -0600, Jay Moore wrote:
  Ps. That was a lame attempt at humour... I extract and distill knowledge
  from the Internet and save myself from having to buy books.
 
 
 I hear they have that on computers now.  I should check it out one of 
 these days.  Maybe I'll buy a book.

Yeah, I got a good deal on the Internet compressed to 1.4 megs so I
could carry it on a floppy disk.

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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-16 Thread Jay Moore

Robert Cummings wrote:

On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 13:50 -0600, Jay Moore wrote:

Ps. That was a lame attempt at humour... I extract and distill knowledge
from the Internet and save myself from having to buy books.


I hear they have that on computers now.  I should check it out one of 
these days.  Maybe I'll buy a book.


Yeah, I got a good deal on the Internet compressed to 1.4 megs so I
could carry it on a floppy disk.

Cheers,
Rob.


Floppies hold 1.4 megs now?  Mine don't and they're even dual-sided. :(

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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-16 Thread Daniel Brown
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 17:04, Jay Moore jaymo...@accu-com.com wrote:

 Floppies hold 1.4 megs now?  Mine don't and they're even dual-sided. :(

Jay,

Throw out your 62K and 5.25 floppies and get with the 1980's,
brother.  It's all about the 3.5 hard disks now.  They're radical!

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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-16 Thread Jay Moore

Daniel Brown wrote:

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 17:04, Jay Moore jaymo...@accu-com.com wrote:

Floppies hold 1.4 megs now?  Mine don't and they're even dual-sided. :(


Jay,

Throw out your 62K and 5.25 floppies and get with the 1980's,
brother.  It's all about the 3.5 hard disks now.  They're radical!



Ok.  Let me back them up to these reel-to-reel tapes quick, just in case.

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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-16 Thread Daniel Brown
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 17:11, Jay Moore jaymo...@accu-com.com wrote:

 Ok.  Let me back them up to these reel-to-reel tapes quick, just in case.

Just be careful that you don't get the Michaelangelo or Friday The
13th viruses especially if you're converting over on a C-64 1541
drive.

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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-16 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 16:11 -0600, Jay Moore wrote:
 Daniel Brown wrote:
  On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 17:04, Jay Moore jaymo...@accu-com.com wrote:
  Floppies hold 1.4 megs now?  Mine don't and they're even dual-sided. :(
  
  Jay,
  
  Throw out your 62K and 5.25 floppies and get with the 1980's,
  brother.  It's all about the 3.5 hard disks now.  They're radical!
  
 
 Ok.  Let me back them up to these reel-to-reel tapes quick, just in case.
 
Hmm, what about punch cards as well, just in case those magnetic tapes
get ruined by an EMP...


Ash
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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-16 Thread Robert Cummings
On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 17:07 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote:
 On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 17:04, Jay Moore jaymo...@accu-com.com wrote:
 
  Floppies hold 1.4 megs now?  Mine don't and they're even dual-sided. :(
 
 Jay,
 
 Throw out your 62K and 5.25 floppies and get with the 1980's,
 brother.  It's all about the 3.5 hard disks now.  They're radical!

He's right... standard was actually 1.44 megs... though I swear, every
time I loaded one of those buggers I lost 10 to 50k to lost sectors. I
think I still have a few 3.5 disks buried someplace cold with my save
files for Rogue, Hero's Quest, and a slew of Dragonlance games. My wife
calls me a packrat :) They're probably half consumed by mold or
something.

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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-16 Thread Robert Cummings
On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 22:21 +, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
 On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 16:11 -0600, Jay Moore wrote:
  Daniel Brown wrote:
   On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 17:04, Jay Moore jaymo...@accu-com.com wrote:
   Floppies hold 1.4 megs now?  Mine don't and they're even dual-sided. :(
   
   Jay,
   
   Throw out your 62K and 5.25 floppies and get with the 1980's,
   brother.  It's all about the 3.5 hard disks now.  They're radical!
   
  
  Ok.  Let me back them up to these reel-to-reel tapes quick, just in case.
  
 Hmm, what about punch cards as well, just in case those magnetic tapes
 get ruined by an EMP...

Cue Tedd and his stones in 3... 2... 1...

Cheers,
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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-16 Thread Daniel Brown
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 17:22, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote:

 Cue Tedd and his stones in 3... 2... 1...

Rocks[TM].

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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-16 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 17:22 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:
 On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 22:21 +, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
  On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 16:11 -0600, Jay Moore wrote:
   Daniel Brown wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 17:04, Jay Moore jaymo...@accu-com.com wrote:
Floppies hold 1.4 megs now?  Mine don't and they're even dual-sided. :(

Jay,

Throw out your 62K and 5.25 floppies and get with the 1980's,
brother.  It's all about the 3.5 hard disks now.  They're radical!

   
   Ok.  Let me back them up to these reel-to-reel tapes quick, just in case.
   
  Hmm, what about punch cards as well, just in case those magnetic tapes
  get ruined by an EMP...
 
 Cue Tedd and his stones in 3... 2... 1...
 
 Cheers,
 Rob.
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These stones? http://xkcd.com/505/



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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-16 Thread Robert Cummings
On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 22:30 +, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
 On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 17:22 -0500, Robert Cummings wrote:
  On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 22:21 +, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
   On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 16:11 -0600, Jay Moore wrote:
Daniel Brown wrote:
 On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 17:04, Jay Moore jaymo...@accu-com.com 
 wrote:
 Floppies hold 1.4 megs now?  Mine don't and they're even dual-sided. 
 :(
 
 Jay,
 
 Throw out your 62K and 5.25 floppies and get with the 1980's,
 brother.  It's all about the 3.5 hard disks now.  They're radical!
 

Ok.  Let me back them up to these reel-to-reel tapes quick, just in 
case.

   Hmm, what about punch cards as well, just in case those magnetic tapes
   get ruined by an EMP...
  
  Cue Tedd and his stones in 3... 2... 1...


 These stones? http://xkcd.com/505/

Pretty much... but with far more misplacements.

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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-16 Thread Daniel Brown
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 17:30, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk 
wrote:

 These stones? http://xkcd.com/505/

That's fantastic, Ash.  I haven't seen that one.  I'm CC'ing Tedd
directly on that.

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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-16 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 17:44 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote:
 On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 17:30, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk 
 wrote:
 
  These stones? http://xkcd.com/505/
 
 That's fantastic, Ash.  I haven't seen that one.  I'm CC'ing Tedd
 directly on that.
 
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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-15 Thread Micah Gersten
O'reillys Learning PHP 5:
http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596005603/index.html

Thank you,
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 Hi guys/gals. I'm a first time user. Does anyone know of a good php book? 



   

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RE: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-15 Thread Jay Blanchard
[snip]
Hi guys/gals. I'm a first time user. Does anyone know of a good php
book? 
[/snip]

http://www.amazon.com/PHP-Advanced-Visual-QuickPro-Guide/dp/0321376013
if you are already a programmer but want to get up to speed on PHP

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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-14 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 16:33 -0600, jeffery harris wrote:
 Hi guys/gals. I'm a first time user. Does anyone know of a good php book? 
 
 
 
I tend to trust O'Reilly books a lot for all things programming,
although I learnt largely with 'PHP, Apache, MySQL Web Development' from
WROX.


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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-14 Thread Tim | iHostNZ
The best book is php.net, if you already know a programming language ;-).
Otherwise Ashley is probably right. I haven't read any books on php, got all
the info off the web, but it's still my main language atm.

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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-14 Thread German Geek
The best book is php.net, if you already know a programming language ;-).
Otherwise Ashley is probably right. I haven't read any books on php, got all
the info off the web, but it's still my main language atm.

Tim-Hinnerk Heuer

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On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Ashley Sheridan
a...@ashleysheridan.co.ukwrote:

 On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 16:33 -0600, jeffery harris wrote:
  Hi guys/gals. I'm a first time user. Does anyone know of a good php book?
 
 
 
 I tend to trust O'Reilly books a lot for all things programming,
 although I learnt largely with 'PHP, Apache, MySQL Web Development' from
 WROX.


 Ash
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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-14 Thread Ólafur Waage
Hey,

php.net is the best book, but if you want a good book that goes over
all the elements of php then pickup the Zend PHP 5 Certification Study
Guide: 
http://www.amazon.com/architects-Zend-Certification-Study-Guide/dp/0973862149/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1229296547sr=8-1

Olafur Waage

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 10:52 PM, German Geek geek...@gmail.com wrote:
 The best book is php.net, if you already know a programming language ;-).
 Otherwise Ashley is probably right. I haven't read any books on php, got all
 the info off the web, but it's still my main language atm.

 Tim-Hinnerk Heuer

 http://www.ihostnz.com


 On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Ashley Sheridan
 a...@ashleysheridan.co.ukwrote:

 On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 16:33 -0600, jeffery harris wrote:
  Hi guys/gals. I'm a first time user. Does anyone know of a good php book?
 
 
 
 I tend to trust O'Reilly books a lot for all things programming,
 although I learnt largely with 'PHP, Apache, MySQL Web Development' from
 WROX.


 Ash
 www.ashleysheridan.co.uk


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Re: [PHP] Good PHP book?

2008-12-14 Thread franzemmanuel

Ashley Sheridan a écrit :

On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 16:33 -0600, jeffery harris wrote:
Hi guys/gals. I'm a first time user. Does anyone know of a good php book? 





I tend to trust O'Reilly books a lot for all things programming,
although I learnt largely with 'PHP, Apache, MySQL Web Development' from
WROX.


Ash
www.ashleysheridan.co.uk

Yes, I am agree with Ashley. This book must be read. But first, you 
should read the whole php documentations as Tim said (available on HTML 
offline). There is everything in it.


Good luck !

Zeuf

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