The manual (especially user comments) and Google are invaluable to me as a
PHP coder. As fast as this list is to respond to a very basic question, the
manual and Google are faster. And more in-depth. So no offense but the
replies you consider to be neurotic I consider to be helpful. -Step
This will help:
http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
This has got to be the longest thread I've seen.
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From: andu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting
This is a very
: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting
On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 16:36, Chris Sherwood wrote:
or what does it take to actually give a reasonable answer... if I am
gonna
be rude I wont say anything... doesnt any one remember
Please ... put in the Subject -- [OFF-TOPIC] ... i don't want to see this stupid
discussion ...
Thanks
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:36:42 -0700
Chris Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
well I have been watching this post all morning and now into the afternoon..
personally I think there is
On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 15:45, Chris W. Parker wrote:
The reason I noted google didn't know what the heck I was talking about
was because we're assuming the person asking the question (who btw is
not me) wouldn't be able to come up with php find a string in a
string. That's the whole point!
hardly. I've answered questions on this list that I thought the answer
could be easily found on google or php.net. Even more so, there are
questions on this list that are CLEARLY this is what I need, can you
give me code. That is silly. What people should be asking is, I
can't find the
Your example is ridiculous -- it looks like you want a search egnine to
properly phrase the question for you.
This works and is more concise and clear: php find a string in a string
Really, I don't think people should be using the mailing list in lieu of
purchasing a book on PHP or reading one
At 02:54 AM 8/6/2003 -0400, andu wrote:
snip - only because it was rather long
if more people would read the manual or know how to find commonly
asked and solved quetions this list would probaly drop in 20% (very
rough estimate) of posts. Getting that information to the people
who arn't reading
--On Wednesday, August 06, 2003 00:39:13 -0400 John W. Holmes
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andu wrote:
This is a very busy list, over 100 message in a quiet day and most
people are helpful and decent, don't mind reading and learning.
Unfortunately there are some who mostly post stuff like 'read
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On Wednesday 06 August 2003 03:40, Jason Wong wrote:
On Wednesday 06 August 2003 14:35, John Manko wrote:
perhaps there should be two lists (novice and advanced), and the
advanced listed shouldn't
answer questions if it's considered trivial
On Wednesday 06 August 2003 14:35, John Manko wrote:
perhaps there should be two lists (novice and advanced), and the
advanced listed shouldn't
answer questions if it's considered trivial enough for the novice list
to answer.
On many lists you get this kind of suggestion. Almost always the
From: Gabriel Guzman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 11:44, Chris W. Parker wrote:
A bad answer would be:
RTFM http://php.net/preg_match;
A good answer would be:
That can be done with a regular expression. The function you're looking
for is called preg_match.
--On Wednesday, August 06, 2003 06:26:34 + Curt Zirzow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Thus wrote andu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
This is a very busy list, over 100 message in a quiet day and most
people are helpful and decent, don't mind reading and learning.
Unfortunately there are some who
I am definitely a novice, and I use the online manual, but a lot of times
I won't even know what to search for, or I'll search for something and not
find what I'm looking for, or I'll find what I think I'm looking for, then
pour over some unclear examples and text and realize it's NOT what I'm
Ok.. one last comment. Or rather idea...
Perhaps we should set up a php-helpers list so discussions like
these don't get mixed up with what this discussion list is about.
if you think this might work, please please email me (off-list) and I'll start
making things happen.
Curt
--
I used to
: Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting
andu wrote:
This is a very busy list, over 100 message in a quiet day and most
people are helpful and decent, don't mind reading and learning.
Unfortunately there are some who mostly post stuff like 'read the
manual' and other shit like that. Stuffing e
--On Wednesday, August 06, 2003 14:38:11 +0800 Jason Wong
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 06 August 2003 14:26, Curt Zirzow wrote:
Now noisyness from the 'helpers'... I have noticed at times that a
question is answered the same way like 10 times by 10 different
people; this I consider
--On Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:04:57 -0400 Step Schwarz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Amanda,
Yeah, terminology is definitely tough to get a handle on at the start --
it was for me. I tried a couple of different books but had no luck until
I picked up Larry Ullman's PHP Visual QuickStart
* Thus wrote andu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
This is a very busy list, over 100 message in a quiet day and most people
are helpful and decent, don't mind reading and learning. Unfortunately
there are some who mostly post stuff like 'read the manual' and other shit
like that. Stuffing e-mailboxes
This kind of opiniion wars appear every since in many of the lists I'm
subscribed to.
The thing is that they ussually tend to nothing, since there are always
people who think on one way, and otehrs who think the other, and no matter
what you say, they will continue thinking that way.
I agree
what a silly elitist view you have
perhaps there should be two lists (novice and advanced), and the
advanced listed shouldn't
answer questions if it's considered trivial enough for the novice list
to answer.
Curt Zirzow wrote:
* Thus wrote andu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
This is a very busy
I've only been php coding for less than 2 months. I learn, learn,
learn, only ask questions
when research turns up nothing, and answer other's questions when I know
the answer.
andu wrote:
--On Wednesday, August 06, 2003 14:40:35 +0800 Jason Wong
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 06
Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting
On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 16:36, Chris Sherwood wrote:
or what does it take to actually give a reasonable answer... if I am
gonna
be rude I wont say anything
On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 11:44, Chris W. Parker wrote:
A bad answer would be:
RTFM http://php.net/preg_match;
A good answer would be:
That can be done with a regular expression. The function you're looking
for is called preg_match. http://php.net/preg_match;
I fail to see the difference.
Hi Amanda,
Yeah, terminology is definitely tough to get a handle on at the start -- it
was for me. I tried a couple of different books but had no luck until I
picked up Larry Ullman's PHP Visual QuickStart Guide. Then it all kind of
clicked into place. I highly recommend it -- it's like a big
... keep it to yourself
now how does that equate to being like or bringing back hitler?
- Original Message -
From: Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Chris Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic
This is a very busy list, over 100 message in a quiet day and most
people are helpful and decent, don't mind reading and learning.
Unfortunately there are some who mostly post stuff like 'read the
manual' and other shit like that. Stuffing e-mailboxes with such
garbage day after day
--On Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:09:06 -0500 Jay Blanchard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
neurotic
\Neu*rotic\, a. [Gr. ? nerve.] 1. Of or pertaining to the nerves;
seated in the nerves; nervous; as, a neurotic disease. 2. Uself in
disorders of, or affecting, the nerves.
I am being a smart-arse
?
- Original Message -
From: Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Chris Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting
On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 16:36, Chris Sherwood wrote:
or what does it take to actually
Hello,
First.. I have nothing to say right now about PHP programming... except I
am learning it and like what I have learned so far.(background in several
languages).
Second... I just did a little query of my mail and found that out of 165
messages received to day on this list alone, 41 of
--On Wednesday, August 06, 2003 14:40:35 +0800 Jason Wong
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 06 August 2003 14:35, John Manko wrote:
perhaps there should be two lists (novice and advanced), and the
advanced listed shouldn't
answer questions if it's considered trivial enough for the novice
Calling someone a twat is not going to persuade anybody to change
how you think a proper reply should be.
If I dont understand someone's question, should I not let them know
that if that make themselves a little clearer a better answer may
be given instead of 12 people shooting in the dark
I don't have time for speculative research and I'm not going to apologise for
it.
By answering a few queries of a technical nature, helpfully and constructively
without recourse to rude TLA's and FL:A's (and not having to defend my modus
operandi), I feel I earn the odd tasty morsel lobbed in
On Wednesday 06 August 2003 13:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
good on you , i'm sick and tired of twats replying with i dont understand
your question or RTFM , i absolutely hate RTFM , the idea of the list is
to help eachother out and even post back to the list the completed code
someone was
John Manko mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 11:36 PM said:
perhaps there should be two lists (novice and advanced), and the
advanced listed shouldn't answer questions if it's considered
trivial enough for the novice list to answer.
w00t! w00t!
--
PHP General Mailing
Andu's right. I've left several lists in the past, not because of people
listing questions where they should have read the manual first, but because I
couldn't stand the sad b**ds who get their kicks by belittling people
with less knowledge but more manners than themselves.
I've actually
: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP] Stop neurotic posting
Andu's right. I've left several lists in the past, not because of people
listing questions where they should have read the manual first, but because
I
couldn't stand the sad b**ds who get their kicks by belittling people
[snip]
I love that I can shoot off a question while at work and get an answer
quick. It's too bad that my novice questions annoy people, but I'm just
learning, and that's WHY I joined this list. It's a resource, just like
the manual.
[/snip]
Generally you present a well thought out question due
Not to beat a dead horse, but...
From two separate responses:
And as for Google, I don't feel like I have time to wade through pages and
pages of irrelevant links until I find what I'm looking for when I have a
better resource right here.
I've actually learned quite a few useful things
[snip]
This is a very busy list, over 100 message in a quiet day and most
people
are helpful and decent, don't mind reading and learning. Unfortunately
there are some who mostly post stuff like 'read the manual' and other
shit
like that. Stuffing e-mailboxes with such garbage day after day
* Thus wrote Lucas Lain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
Please ... put in the Subject -- [OFF-TOPIC] ... i don't want to see this stupid
discussion ...
Hardly OT IMO. It is a discussion on methodolgy of helping people,
and some good issued have been addressed, constructive and
destructive.
If the
Robert Cummings mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:27 PM said:
Your example is ridiculous -- it looks like you want a search egnine
to properly phrase the question for you.
No it's not and it should be apparent why.
I'll even search groups.google.com by asking my
Jennifer Goodie mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:27 AM said:
and in any event they're often things I
wouldn't have thought about looking up anyway.
I love how the argument for not doing research is not having the
time/not wanting to waste time. That is just
On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 16:36, Chris Sherwood wrote:
or what does it take to actually give a reasonable answer... if I am gonna
be rude I wont say anything... doesnt any one remember their mother telling
them if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything at all?
That kind of
* Thus wrote [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
This is a very busy list, over 100 message in a quiet day and most
people are helpful and decent, don't mind reading and learning.
Unfortunately there are some who mostly post stuff like 'read the
manual' and other shit like that.
perhaps there should be two lists (novice and advanced), and the
advanced listed shouldn't
answer questions if it's considered trivial enough for the novice list
to answer.
Curt Zirzow wrote:
* Thus wrote andu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
This is a very busy list, over 100 message in a quiet day
On Wednesday 06 August 2003 14:26, Curt Zirzow wrote:
Now noisyness from the 'helpers'... I have noticed at times that a
question is answered the same way like 10 times by 10 different
people; this I consider more noisy than a RTFM post.
And what I find really annoying is that some helpers
On 06 August 2003 08:25, Daryl Meese mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For my part on at least one occassion I posted a question to
the list after
reading the manual (which in that case was clear as mud) and
got the RTFM.
I was tempted to respond with IDRTFM - GFY.
Well, easy way to avoid
Hey - it doesn't actually seem to matter whether one does research or not.
Almost every single post I make, someone just HAS to tell me to search
google, which is maddening. The whole idea behind a forum like this is to
be able to communicate with others who may be able to help, and who you may
[snip]
Andu's right. I've left several lists in the past, not because of people
listing questions where they should have read the manual first, but
because I
couldn't stand the sad b**ds who get their kicks by belittling
people
with less knowledge but more manners than themselves.
[/snip]
well I have been watching this post all morning and now into the afternoon..
personally I think there is differences in responses and well there are
definite persons with an elitist attitude, some of these people are
newbies... under immense amounts of pressure to pull something off... what
does
--On Wednesday, August 06, 2003 13:11:52 -0700 Chris W. Parker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Aside from the fact that $example1 != $example2, they are different in
ATTITUDE.
Which was the original issue of this thread. Seems like few (with a
temporary advantage of knowledge) would consider not to
Gabriel Guzman mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:10 PM said:
On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 11:44, Chris W. Parker wrote:
A bad answer would be:
RTFM http://php.net/preg_match;
A good answer would be:
That can be done with a regular expression. The function you're
and please don't answer saying that you aggree or don't agree with me
I don't care
just cut off with this thread please :)
Juan
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andu wrote:
This is a very busy list, over 100 message in a quiet day and most
people are helpful and decent, don't mind reading and learning.
Unfortunately there are some who mostly post stuff like 'read the
manual' and other shit like that. Stuffing e-mailboxes with such garbage
day after
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