php-general Digest 6 Mar 2010 00:14:15 -0000 Issue 6623
Topics (messages 302556 through 302577):
Re: Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
302556 by: Richard Quadling
302557 by: Ashley Sheridan
302558 by: Jochem Maas
302559 by: Daniel Brown
302560 by: Ashley Sheridan
302561 by: Daniel Brown
302562 by: tedd
302563 by: Daniel Brown
302564 by: Ashley Sheridan
302565 by: Richard Quadling
302566 by: Ashley Sheridan
302567 by: Daniel Brown
302568 by: Ashley Sheridan
302573 by: Bastien Koert
PEAR clases don't work with PHP 5.3
302569 by: MartÃn Marqués
302577 by: Michael A. Peters
Microsoft outlook takes out all stressed letters on subject.
302570 by: João Cândido de Souza Neto
302571 by: Bob McConnell
302572 by: João Cândido de Souza Neto
Re: Best Practices Book, Document, Web Site?
302574 by: J Ravi Menon
sell with php
302575 by: gato chlr
302576 by: Rene Veerman
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On 5 March 2010 10:26, Ashley Sheridan <a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 11:21 +0100, Jochen Schultz wrote:
>
>> Sure Zend is one of the most valuables, if not the most valuable,
>> companies in the PHP community.
>>
>> But if we allow ads here, we should think about selling them (like
>> footer ads in all messages of the list). This way the community gets
>> income, which can be used to support the community, while the community
>> stays free from some companies decissions.
>>
>> Or just keep Ads out of here...no exceptions!
>>
>> just my 2 cents
>>
>>
>> Lester Caine schrieb:
>> > Jochen Schultz wrote:
>> >> > and not drugs, money or sex!
>> >>
>> >> So everyone should post their ads here, which are related to PHP?
>> >>
>> >> I think not.
>> >
>> > As someone who gets totally pigged off with the amount of 'advertising'
>> > that gets rammed down our throats, I should probably agree. But in this
>> > particular case, while I may not like it, Zend are one of the major
>> > supporters of PHP and actually need to make money to continue that support.
>> >
>> > Now if someone wants to advertise alternative courses using Eclipse and
>> > PHPEclipse ... 1000EUR does seem somewhat steep ;)
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Sport Import GmbH - Amtsgericht Oldenburg - Tel: +49-4405-9280-63
>> Industriestrasse 39 - HRB 1202900 -
>> 26188 Edewecht - GF: Michael Müllmann
>>
>
>
> Actually, footer ads doesn't seem such a bad idea. I don't know how
> you'd work out the details like how often an ad is shown, but I for one
> wouldn't mind a discrete ad at the bottom of the email if the proceeds
> would go back into making PHP better. I would assume though that most
> people on this list wouldn't like that, as it would possibly make it too
> commercially driven, i.e. think people posting more and more simple to
> get their ad more coverage, etc.
>
> Thanks,
> Ash
> http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
>
>
>
Ad-block would "get in the way" though !?
--
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Richard Quadling
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On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 12:03 +0000, Richard Quadling wrote:
> On 5 March 2010 10:26, Ashley Sheridan <a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 11:21 +0100, Jochen Schultz wrote:
> >
> >> Sure Zend is one of the most valuables, if not the most valuable,
> >> companies in the PHP community.
> >>
> >> But if we allow ads here, we should think about selling them (like
> >> footer ads in all messages of the list). This way the community gets
> >> income, which can be used to support the community, while the community
> >> stays free from some companies decissions.
> >>
> >> Or just keep Ads out of here...no exceptions!
> >>
> >> just my 2 cents
> >>
> >>
> >> Lester Caine schrieb:
> >> > Jochen Schultz wrote:
> >> >> > and not drugs, money or sex!
> >> >>
> >> >> So everyone should post their ads here, which are related to PHP?
> >> >>
> >> >> I think not.
> >> >
> >> > As someone who gets totally pigged off with the amount of 'advertising'
> >> > that gets rammed down our throats, I should probably agree. But in this
> >> > particular case, while I may not like it, Zend are one of the major
> >> > supporters of PHP and actually need to make money to continue that
> >> > support.
> >> >
> >> > Now if someone wants to advertise alternative courses using Eclipse and
> >> > PHPEclipse ... 1000EUR does seem somewhat steep ;)
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sport Import GmbH - Amtsgericht Oldenburg - Tel: +49-4405-9280-63
> >> Industriestrasse 39 - HRB 1202900 -
> >> 26188 Edewecht - GF: Michael Müllmann
> >>
> >
> >
> > Actually, footer ads doesn't seem such a bad idea. I don't know how
> > you'd work out the details like how often an ad is shown, but I for one
> > wouldn't mind a discrete ad at the bottom of the email if the proceeds
> > would go back into making PHP better. I would assume though that most
> > people on this list wouldn't like that, as it would possibly make it too
> > commercially driven, i.e. think people posting more and more simple to
> > get their ad more coverage, etc.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ash
> > http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
>
> Ad-block would "get in the way" though !?
>
I don't really know much about ads, save that I dislike annoying
'in-your-face' ones (Flash ads on website in particular!) so I wouldn't
really know what ad-blockers would block or let through.
Thanks,
Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
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Op 3/4/10 9:14 PM, Daniel Brown schreef:
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 14:59, mrfroasty <mrfroa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Looks expensive, definately NO
>
> Then do not reply. It was an offer to the community at large, not
> just you and the other top-poster. ;-P
>
quite. and it's not like Zend send such offers to the list everyday, in fact
I don't think I've seen anything from them here before at all.
this list is not moderated, as such we're liable to receive stuff now and
again that we're not personally interested in ... just ignore it.
to those that argue it's expensive - quality training is, that's the
nature of the business and the subject matter we deal with.
to those that argue that it's spam, I would disagree - the 'ad' is directly
relevant to php developers, the sender's employer is reputable, the recipients
are all members of an unmoderated mailing list that is generally (pun intended)
known to be very flexible and lax with regard to the exceptability of posts and
lastly the actual sender is a traceable person with a working email address.
everything pretty much above board as far as I'm concerned.
I would suggest that Zend don't send such 'ad's too often purely because that
might offend the very people they are trying to reach, additionally they might
consider that when they do send things like this to also include links/etc to
relevant/new resource that are freely available ... I'd personally wouldn't
mind an occasional email pointing out some new article about, for instance,
'Best Practices' which also includes info about upcoming courses ... a bit of
give and take in that vein might garner a more positive response, in general,
from members of this list.
... your thoughts on a post card ;-)
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On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 04:29, Jochen Schultz <jschu...@sportimport.de> wrote:
>> and not drugs, money or sex!
>
> So everyone should post their ads here, which are related to PHP?
>
> I think not.
Well, good thing you're nowhere near being close to having a say
in that, eh? ;-P
First of all, this is the General mailing list, meaning that
anything generally-related to PHP is allowed, accepted, and
encouraged. Before you subscribed, you were warned that this is a
high-traffic list. If you don't like it, please send a very long,
detailed message to php-general-unsubscr...@lists.php.net and we'll be
happy to respond.
Second, Debbie Otterstetter from Zend is absolutely,
one-hundred-percent completely correct in posting such a message here,
with both my encouragement and blessing. I work with her on a
near-daily basis to get events coordinated on php.net, so trust me -
she's not going to bombard the list with SPAM.
Lastly (for now), I will reiterate: if you're not interested, do not reply.
(P.S. - We should institute a new rule: no one is allowed to make
suggestions regarding things until they've submitted at least 500
valuable posts. Of course, that won't happen.... stupid democracy.
;-P)
--
</Daniel P. Brown>
daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net
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On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 09:33 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 04:29, Jochen Schultz <jschu...@sportimport.de> wrote:
> >> and not drugs, money or sex!
> >
> > So everyone should post their ads here, which are related to PHP?
> >
> > I think not.
>
> Well, good thing you're nowhere near being close to having a say
> in that, eh? ;-P
>
> First of all, this is the General mailing list, meaning that
> anything generally-related to PHP is allowed, accepted, and
> encouraged. Before you subscribed, you were warned that this is a
> high-traffic list. If you don't like it, please send a very long,
> detailed message to php-general-unsubscr...@lists.php.net and we'll be
> happy to respond.
>
> Second, Debbie Otterstetter from Zend is absolutely,
> one-hundred-percent completely correct in posting such a message here,
> with both my encouragement and blessing. I work with her on a
> near-daily basis to get events coordinated on php.net, so trust me -
> she's not going to bombard the list with SPAM.
>
> Lastly (for now), I will reiterate: if you're not interested, do not
> reply.
>
> (P.S. - We should institute a new rule: no one is allowed to make
> suggestions regarding things until they've submitted at least 500
> valuable posts. Of course, that won't happen.... stupid democracy.
> ;-P)
>
> --
> </Daniel P. Brown>
> daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net
> http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/
>
How can we get a post count? :p
Thanks,
Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
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Don't top-post. Even that part is in the rules when you signed up. ;-P
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 05:21, Jochen Schultz <jschu...@sportimport.de> wrote:
> Sure Zend is one of the most valuables, if not the most valuable, companies
> in the PHP community.
>
> But if we allow ads here, we should think about selling them (like footer
> ads in all messages of the list). This way the community gets income, which
> can be used to support the community, while the community stays free from
> some companies decissions.
Absolutely not. Thankfully, that will never, ever happen. And
don't take this the wrong way, but it's quite evident that you're new
to working with open source groups. There's no way "the community
gets income" from anything, and the only support the community gets is
through its peers. By participating in this list in a productive
fashion, Jochen, is exactly where you're doing the right thing in
supporting the community. Further, the PHP community is and has
always been free from company decisions.... but believe me (and
Richard Quadling will back me on this one), we certainly have our fair
share of politics and internal obstacles, just like any organization.
Some may say even more than many. ;-P
> Or just keep Ads out of here...no exceptions!
>
> just my 2 cents
To a great extent, I agree with you on this one.... but I think
that ads once in a while for PHP-related educational services, job
offers, and other things to give you and your peers in the PHP
community a chance to better themselves can be invaluable to many.
Each year, we have a few hundred active participants on this list:
some with one-off messages, others - like Ashley Sheridan - who have
become fixtures here, and still others - like Jochem Maas - who
regularly come and go. Then, we have literally thousands of lurkers
--- those who are just getting into PHP, but are too timid yet to
pipe-up and introduce themselves or ask a question, for fear of being
heckled by those who think they're elite (blaming no one in this
thread, but we've all seen it). For those folks who actively monitor
the list to learn, they may very well be interested in the kind of ad
Debbie sent.
However, if it were to become a regular thing, advertising a
website and offering nothing more than self-promotion, then there's a
reason for wanting it gone for good. That kind of advertising is
nothing more than a completely self-serving action masquerading as
support for the community, and is worthy of complaints. And that, my
friend, is exactly where I agree with you.
As for the Zend posts, you can expect to see them now and again.
If you personally would rather not, it's a good thing you're
technologically-inclined: you know how to create a filter to
auto-trash the message before you even see it. ;-P
--
</Daniel P. Brown>
daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net
http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/
Looking for hosting or dedicated servers? Ask me how we can fit your budget!
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At 8:25 AM +0000 3/5/10, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
If it's spam, it's the first I've seen that actually has something to do
with PHP and not drugs, money or sex!
Thanks,
Ash
You mean that PHP is not drugs, money, or sex?
What's the purpose then?
Cheers,
tedd
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On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 09:42, Ashley Sheridan <a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk> wrote:
>
> How can we get a post count? :p
Were you here when I was still running the weekly metrics on the
list a few years ago? I still get requests to reinstate it, I just
haven't had the chance. I keep meaning to enlist Richard Heyes to
incorporate RGraph (http://www.rgraph.net/) into my ListWatch library.
Someday....
However, for those interested in basic metrics:
--- February 2010 ---
722 Legit (Non-SPAM) Posts
Most Active Topics:
$_POST vs $_REQUEST
UK Project Opportunity
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</Daniel P. Brown>
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Looking for hosting or dedicated servers? Ask me how we can fit your budget!
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On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 09:57 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 09:42, Ashley Sheridan <a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > How can we get a post count? :p
>
> Were you here when I was still running the weekly metrics on the
> list a few years ago? I still get requests to reinstate it, I just
> haven't had the chance. I keep meaning to enlist Richard Heyes to
> incorporate RGraph (http://www.rgraph.net/) into my ListWatch library.
> Someday....
>
> However, for those interested in basic metrics:
>
> --- February 2010 ---
> 722 Legit (Non-SPAM) Posts
> Most Active Topics:
> $_POST vs $_REQUEST
> UK Project Opportunity
>
> --
> </Daniel P. Brown>
> daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net
> http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/
> Looking for hosting or dedicated servers? Ask me how we can fit your budget!
Ah yes, I do recall that now. It's been so long ago, I'd clean forgotten
about it!
Thanks,
Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
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On 5 March 2010 14:48, Daniel Brown <paras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Further, the PHP community is and has
> always been free from company decisions.... but believe me (and
> Richard Quadling will back me on this one), we certainly have our fair
> share of politics and internal obstacles, just like any organization.
Who? Me?
Imagine OSS like a big extended family. You get some people you like,
others you don't.
--
-----
Richard Quadling
"Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!"
EE : http://www.experts-exchange.com/M_248814.html
EE4Free : http://www.experts-exchange.com/becomeAnExpert.jsp
Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731
ZOPA : http://uk.zopa.com/member/RQuadling
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On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 15:29 +0000, Richard Quadling wrote:
> On 5 March 2010 14:48, Daniel Brown <paras...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Further, the PHP community is and has
> > always been free from company decisions.... but believe me (and
> > Richard Quadling will back me on this one), we certainly have our fair
> > share of politics and internal obstacles, just like any organization.
>
> Who? Me?
>
> Imagine OSS like a big extended family. You get some people you like,
> others you don't.
>
>
> --
> -----
> Richard Quadling
> "Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!"
> EE : http://www.experts-exchange.com/M_248814.html
> EE4Free : http://www.experts-exchange.com/becomeAnExpert.jsp
> Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731
> ZOPA : http://uk.zopa.com/member/RQuadling
>
And you get to adopt new ones if you don't like the ones you got?
Thanks,
Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
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On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:28, Ashley Sheridan <a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk> wrote:
>
> And you get to adopt new ones if you don't like the ones you got?
Yes, but you can't put any up for adoption by another family.
--
</Daniel P. Brown>
daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net
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On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 10:41 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:28, Ashley Sheridan <a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > And you get to adopt new ones if you don't like the ones you got?
>
> Yes, but you can't put any up for adoption by another family.
>
> --
> </Daniel P. Brown>
> daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net
> http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/
> Looking for hosting or dedicated servers? Ask me how we can fit your budget!
>
I sometimes wish it were possible. We're still talking about the family
here, and not OSS yeah?!
Thanks,
Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
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On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Ashley Sheridan
<a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 10:41 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:28, Ashley Sheridan <a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > And you get to adopt new ones if you don't like the ones you got?
>>
>> Yes, but you can't put any up for adoption by another family.
>>
>> --
>> </Daniel P. Brown>
>> daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net
>> http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/
>> Looking for hosting or dedicated servers? Ask me how we can fit your budget!
>>
>
>
> I sometimes wish it were possible. We're still talking about the family
> here, and not OSS yeah?!
>
> Thanks,
> Ash
> http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
>
>
>
And no, you may not marry your first cousin.
--
Bastien
Cat, the other other white meat
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A few days ago I upgraded my development server with PHP 5.3, and
found that some pear packages stopped working giving FATAL ERRORs,
like this (this one is from package Image_Graph):
PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined method
Image_Graph_Plotarea_Element::Image_Graph_Element() in
/usr/share/php/Image/Graph/Layout.php on line 73
I found that the problem is when calling the parents constructors like
parent::ClassName.
Changing that fixes the problem, but there are alot of clases with this problem.
Are these problems being addressed?
--
Martín Marqués
select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com'
DBA, Programador, Administrador
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Martín Marqués wrote:
A few days ago I upgraded my development server with PHP 5.3, and
found that some pear packages stopped working giving FATAL ERRORs,
like this (this one is from package Image_Graph):
PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined method
Image_Graph_Plotarea_Element::Image_Graph_Element() in
/usr/share/php/Image/Graph/Layout.php on line 73
I found that the problem is when calling the parents constructors like
parent::ClassName.
Changing that fixes the problem, but there are alot of clases with this problem.
Are these problems being addressed?
I found similar problems with some of the pear stuff I use when I tried
5.3.0 awhile back. For the present, I am just sticking with 5.2.x branch
and will give some time for the various pear maintainers to work out the
kinks.
One thing you can do is file bug reports with the pear components you
use. I did not because I moved my test server back to 5.2.x thus I would
have no way of testing whether the fixes actually worked, but if you
have a box you can dedicate to 5.3.x testing, file the bug reports and
it will bring the problem to the attention of the pear maintainers.
Some pear packages are better maintained than others.
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Hi people.
When I send an e-mail from PHP (not using the mail function) everithing
works fine, but when such e-mail´s got in Microsoft Outlook it takes out all
stressed letters in mail´s subject what doesn´t happen in Outlook Express?
My question is?
Is there any header that can avoid it?
Thanks in advance.
João Cândido
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From: João Cândido de Souza Neto
> When I send an e-mail from PHP (not using the mail function) everithing
> works fine, but when such e-mail´s got in Microsoft Outlook it takes out all
> stressed letters in mail´s subject what doesn´t happen in Outlook Express?
>
> My question is?
>
> Is there any header that can avoid it?
What code page is Lookout using? Does that page have those letters in it? Does
it use the same character encoding that the source did?
Bob McConnell
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Yes, it does.
Thanks.
João Cândido
""Bob McConnell"" <r...@cbord.com> escreveu na mensagem
news:ff8482a96323694490c194babeac24a0058c5...@email.cbord.com...
From: João Cândido de Souza Neto
> When I send an e-mail from PHP (not using the mail function) everithing
> works fine, but when such e-mail´s got in Microsoft Outlook it takes out
> all
> stressed letters in mail´s subject what doesn´t happen in Outlook Express?
>
> My question is?
>
> Is there any header that can avoid it?
What code page is Lookout using? Does that page have those letters in it?
Does it use the same character encoding that the source did?
Bob McConnell
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Other than coding standards, the other good read is:
(it seems to cover most topics I have ran into while maintaining a
high traffic site implemented in php 5):
http://phplens.com/lens/php-book/optimizing-debugging-php.php
It is 'best practices' from another angle - use of opcode cache (apc
etc..), output buffering and so on.
Coding standards vary a lot, so I would recommend sticking to one
style once a consensus is reached among the team and preferably
enforce it in automated fashion (e.g.
http://pear.php.net/package/PHP_CodeSniffer/ as a svn pre-commit
hook).
The other easily over-looked part I have seen in many php projects is
the code layout and directory structure, including dependency
management (library code vs business logic etc..), and more
importantly only exposing the main 'entry point' scripts (index.php or
controller.php in a MVC model) in a apache doc root. Many times I have
seen poorly laid out code that ends up getting deployed with the
entire code bases exposed in a apache doc root. If care is not taken
(e.g. naming some files .inc and no special apache rules to interpret
them as a php handler), it is a security nightmare with critical files
getting exposed.
I have my own layout suggestion which has worked well for us, and once
mastered, it makes everyone in the team very productive. Maybe this
can be a separate topic in its own right.
Ravi
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Hansen, Mike <mike.han...@atmel.com> wrote:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob McConnell [mailto:r...@cbord.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 7:52 AM
>> To: pan; php-gene...@lists.php.net
>> Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Best Practices Book, Document, Web Site?
>>
>> From: pan
>> > ""Hansen, Mike"" <mike.han...@atmel.com> wrote in message
>> >>
>> news:7941b2693f32294aaf16c26b679a258d0efdc...@csomb01.corp.atm
>> el.com...
>> >> Is there a PHP Best Practices Book, Document, or web site that has
>> >> information similar to Perl Best Practices but for PHP?
>> >
>> > Yeah, it's hard to find this stuff.
>> >
>> > A google search on {+"Best Practices" +"PHP"} returned only
>> > 4,340,000 hits.
>> >
>> > Maybe, some day, someone will think to write something up.
>>
>> The problem with this method is that scanning these results reveals
>> conflicting and contradictory recommendations that are all over the
>> place. Some are so old they may not even be valid PHP any
>> more. Reading
>> even a small subset of these pages is an exercise in frustration. But
>> that makes sense as there doesn't appear to be any consistency nor
>> consensus within the community, or even within some of the larger
>> projects.
>>
>> Speaking of consensus, based on a recent discussion on the Perl
>> Beginners mailing list, the Perl Best Practices book is now considered
>> to be deprecated among the active Perl community. Many of its
>> recommendations are obsolete and no longer used. It is long
>> past due for
>> a major rewrite.
>>
>> Bob McConnell
>
> Yep. Perl Best Practices is due for a rewrite/update. I came across this page
> that attempts to update it:
> http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl5/index.cgi?pbp_module_recommendation_commentary
>
> For PHP, I'll stick with the PEAR recommendations and do the best I can with
> whatever is missing.
>
> Thanks.
>
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i'm trying to put a tool to sell in my website in PHP. ¿what do you
recommend to me?
thanks
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search cmsmatrix.org for "ecommerce"?
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:56 PM, gato chlr <dany...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i'm trying to put a tool to sell in my website in PHP. ¿what do you
> recommend to me?
>
> thanks
>
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