php-general Digest 3 Jul 2011 01:28:24 -0000 Issue 7386
Topics (messages 313835 through 313841):
PHP EOL
313835 by: Karl DeSaulniers
313836 by: viraj
313837 by: Karl DeSaulniers
313838 by: Stuart Dallas
313841 by: viraj
Re: [PHP-DB] PHP EOL
313839 by: Tamara Temple
Re: [PHP-DB] Re: [PHP] PHP EOL
313840 by: Karl DeSaulniers
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Hello All,
Happy pre independence for my American PHPers. And good health to all
others.
Have a quick question..
I have this code I use for the end of line characters used in my
mailers.
[Code]
// Is the OS Windows or Mac or Linux
if (strtoupper(substr(PHP_OS,0,5)=='WIN')) {
$eol="\r\n";
} else if (strtoupper(substr(PHP_OS,0,5)=='MAC')) {
$eol="\r";
} else {
$eol="\n";
}
[End Code]
Does this suffice or should I be using the php supplied end of line?
$eol=PHP_EOL;
Or do these do the same thing?
What advantages over the code I use does the PHP_EOL have?
Or does it not matter with these and either are good to go?
It seems to me that they do the same thing.. am I on the right track
or missing something?
Is there any other OS's that are not WIN or MAC and use the "\r" or
"\r\n" ?
If their are, then I can see an advantage of using the PHP_EOL.
Like I said, just a quick question. ;)
Karl DeSaulniers
Design Drumm
http://designdrumm.com
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PHP_EOL is the best fit. you do not have to write multiple lines of
code to do the same thing.
~viraj
p.s. cross-posting is bad. removed db. from the cc list.
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Karl DeSaulniers <k...@designdrumm.com> wrote:
> Hello All,
> Happy pre independence for my American PHPers. And good health to all
> others.
> Have a quick question..
>
> I have this code I use for the end of line characters used in my mailers.
>
> [Code]
> // Is the OS Windows or Mac or Linux
> if (strtoupper(substr(PHP_OS,0,5)=='WIN')) {
> $eol="\r\n";
> } else if (strtoupper(substr(PHP_OS,0,5)=='MAC')) {
> $eol="\r";
> } else {
> $eol="\n";
> }
> [End Code]
>
> Does this suffice or should I be using the php supplied end of line?
>
> $eol=PHP_EOL;
>
> Or do these do the same thing?
> What advantages over the code I use does the PHP_EOL have?
> Or does it not matter with these and either are good to go?
>
> It seems to me that they do the same thing.. am I on the right track or
> missing something?
> Is there any other OS's that are not WIN or MAC and use the "\r" or "\r\n" ?
> If their are, then I can see an advantage of using the PHP_EOL.
>
> Like I said, just a quick question. ;)
>
>
> Karl DeSaulniers
> Design Drumm
> http://designdrumm.com
>
>
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On Jul 2, 2011, at 3:10 AM, viraj wrote:
PHP_EOL is the best fit. you do not have to write multiple lines of
code to do the same thing.
~viraj
p.s. cross-posting is bad. removed db. from the cc list.
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Karl DeSaulniers
<k...@designdrumm.com> wrote:
Hello All,
Happy pre independence for my American PHPers. And good health to all
others.
Have a quick question..
I have this code I use for the end of line characters used in my
mailers.
[Code]
// Is the OS Windows or Mac or Linux
if (strtoupper(substr(PHP_OS,0,5)=='WIN')) {
$eol="\r\n";
} else if (strtoupper(substr(PHP_OS,0,5)=='MAC')) {
$eol="\r";
} else {
$eol="\n";
}
[End Code]
Does this suffice or should I be using the php supplied end of line?
$eol=PHP_EOL;
Or do these do the same thing?
What advantages over the code I use does the PHP_EOL have?
Or does it not matter with these and either are good to go?
It seems to me that they do the same thing.. am I on the right
track or
missing something?
Is there any other OS's that are not WIN or MAC and use the "\r"
or "\r\n" ?
If their are, then I can see an advantage of using the PHP_EOL.
Like I said, just a quick question. ;)
Karl DeSaulniers
Design Drumm
http://designdrumm.com
Oops sory for the cross post. Didn't realize that's what that was.
I have seen others do it in the past.
I am a bit of a list novice.
Wont happen again.
Thanks for your reply.
Karl DeSaulniers
Design Drumm
http://designdrumm.com
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On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Karl DeSaulniers <k...@designdrumm.com>wrote:
> Hello All,
> Happy pre independence for my American PHPers. And good health to all
> others.
> Have a quick question..
>
> I have this code I use for the end of line characters used in my mailers.
>
> [Code]
> // Is the OS Windows or Mac or Linux
> if (strtoupper(substr(PHP_OS,0,5)**=='WIN')) {
> $eol="\r\n";
> } else if (strtoupper(substr(PHP_OS,0,5)**=='MAC')) {
> $eol="\r";
> } else {
> $eol="\n";
> }
> [End Code]
>
> Does this suffice or should I be using the php supplied end of line?
>
> $eol=PHP_EOL;
>
> Or do these do the same thing?
> What advantages over the code I use does the PHP_EOL have?
> Or does it not matter with these and either are good to go?
>
> It seems to me that they do the same thing.. am I on the right track or
> missing something?
> Is there any other OS's that are not WIN or MAC and use the "\r" or "\r\n"
> ?
> If their are, then I can see an advantage of using the PHP_EOL.
>
> Like I said, just a quick question. ;)
>
When you say "mailers" are you talking about emails? If so then you should
be using "\r\n" at all times since that's what numerous email-related RFCs
specify. If you use anything else then you may find your email gets rejected
by strictly implemented mail servers (rare these days, but it happens).
Incidentally, CR only applies to Mac OS9 and earlier. OSX uses LF due to its
BSD roots. For a near-complete list, see "Representations" here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline.
-Stuart
--
Stuart Dallas
3ft9 Ltd
http://3ft9.com/
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hi all,
looking at the code Karl has posted, this code bit is not going to be
a help in setting the 'new line' character in an email body, because
it decides based on the server operating system.
if (strtoupper(substr(PHP_OS,0,5)**=='WIN')) {
> $eol="\r\n";
when sending out emails, the most compatible way is to use "\r\n" as
Stuart has pointed out (plain text emails).
~viraj
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Stuart Dallas <stu...@3ft9.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Karl DeSaulniers <k...@designdrumm.com>wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>> Happy pre independence for my American PHPers. And good health to all
>> others.
>> Have a quick question..
>>
>> I have this code I use for the end of line characters used in my mailers.
>>
>> [Code]
>> // Is the OS Windows or Mac or Linux
>> if (strtoupper(substr(PHP_OS,0,5)**=='WIN')) {
>> $eol="\r\n";
>> } else if (strtoupper(substr(PHP_OS,0,5)**=='MAC')) {
>> $eol="\r";
>> } else {
>> $eol="\n";
>> }
>> [End Code]
>>
>> Does this suffice or should I be using the php supplied end of line?
>>
>> $eol=PHP_EOL;
>>
>> Or do these do the same thing?
>> What advantages over the code I use does the PHP_EOL have?
>> Or does it not matter with these and either are good to go?
>>
>> It seems to me that they do the same thing.. am I on the right track or
>> missing something?
>> Is there any other OS's that are not WIN or MAC and use the "\r" or "\r\n"
>> ?
>> If their are, then I can see an advantage of using the PHP_EOL.
>>
>> Like I said, just a quick question. ;)
>>
>
> When you say "mailers" are you talking about emails? If so then you should
> be using "\r\n" at all times since that's what numerous email-related RFCs
> specify. If you use anything else then you may find your email gets rejected
> by strictly implemented mail servers (rare these days, but it happens).
>
> Incidentally, CR only applies to Mac OS9 and earlier. OSX uses LF due to its
> BSD roots. For a near-complete list, see "Representations" here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline.
>
> -Stuart
>
> --
> Stuart Dallas
> 3ft9 Ltd
> http://3ft9.com/
>
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On Jul 2, 2011, at 3:01 AM, Karl DeSaulniers wrote:
Hello All,
Happy pre independence for my American PHPers. And good health to
all others.
Have a quick question..
I have this code I use for the end of line characters used in my
mailers.
[Code]
// Is the OS Windows or Mac or Linux
if (strtoupper(substr(PHP_OS,0,5)=='WIN')) {
$eol="\r\n";
} else if (strtoupper(substr(PHP_OS,0,5)=='MAC')) {
$eol="\r";
} else {
$eol="\n";
}
[End Code]
Does this suffice or should I be using the php supplied end of line?
$eol=PHP_EOL;
Or do these do the same thing?
What advantages over the code I use does the PHP_EOL have?
Or does it not matter with these and either are good to go?
It seems to me that they do the same thing.. am I on the right track
or missing something?
Is there any other OS's that are not WIN or MAC and use the "\r" or
"\r\n" ?
If their are, then I can see an advantage of using the PHP_EOL.
Like I said, just a quick question. ;)
Karl DeSaulniers
Design Drumm
http://designdrumm.com
What's interesting is that the SMTP standard actually requires a CRLF,
even in unix-land, so PHP_EOL may not work as intended if you're using
it there.
From RFC-2821:
2.3.7 Lines
SMTP commands and, unless altered by a service
extension, message data, are transmitted in "lines". Lines
consist
of zero or more data characters terminated by the sequence
ASCII
character "CR" (hex value 0D) followed immediately by ASCII
character "LF" (hex value 0A). This termination sequence is
denoted
as <CRLF> in this document. Conforming implementations MUST NOT
recognize or generate any other character or character sequence
as a line terminator. Limits MAY be imposed on line lengths by
servers (see section 4.5.3).
In addition, the appearance of
"bare" "CR" or "LF" characters in text (i.e., either without
the
other) has a long history of causing problems in mail
implementations
and applications that use the mail system as a tool. SMTP
client
implementations MUST NOT transmit these characters except when
they are intended as line terminators and then MUST, as
indicated
above, transmit them only as a <CRLF> sequence.
The old sendmail operated this way. I believe more modern MTAs handle
either CRLF, CR, or LF terminated lines on input, so in practice it
may not matter.
Also, as of OSX, Mac uses LF as the line terminator character, not CR,
although I think it will handle either as a backwards compatibility
feature. Elsewhere, such as in browser output, PHP_EOL is the best bet
to cause a line termination outside of mail applications.
In actual practice, however, PHP_EOL may be less useful than it would
appear, as it only provides the appropriate line terminator based on
the host it is running on. If your server is running a flavour of
unix, and your running on windows, for example, the server will output
'\n' to your browser, not '\r\n' as Windows would like. I believe all
the modern browsers, regardless of platform OS, handle all three CRLF,
CR, and LF and treat them as line terminators. However if you dump the
return from the server to a file, you won't see this behaviour,
obviously.
There's a pretty long thread on this at stackoverflow.com:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/128560/when-do-i-use-the-php-constant-php-eol
I tend to use PHP_EOL inplace of specifying a "\n" character string
because to me it is clearer and more obvious what I mean, and does
make the code at least a bit more portable.
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Thanks Stuart!
Karl
Sent from losPhone
On Jul 2, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Stuart Dallas <stu...@3ft9.com> wrote:
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Karl DeSaulniers
<k...@designdrumm.com>wrote:
Hello All,
Happy pre independence for my American PHPers. And good health to all
others.
Have a quick question..
I have this code I use for the end of line characters used in my
mailers.
[Code]
// Is the OS Windows or Mac or Linux
if (strtoupper(substr(PHP_OS,0,5)**=='WIN')) {
$eol="\r\n";
} else if (strtoupper(substr(PHP_OS,0,5)**=='MAC')) {
$eol="\r";
} else {
$eol="\n";
}
[End Code]
Does this suffice or should I be using the php supplied end of line?
$eol=PHP_EOL;
Or do these do the same thing?
What advantages over the code I use does the PHP_EOL have?
Or does it not matter with these and either are good to go?
It seems to me that they do the same thing.. am I on the right
track or
missing something?
Is there any other OS's that are not WIN or MAC and use the "\r" or
"\r\n"
?
If their are, then I can see an advantage of using the PHP_EOL.
Like I said, just a quick question. ;)
When you say "mailers" are you talking about emails? If so then you
should
be using "\r\n" at all times since that's what numerous email-
related RFCs
specify. If you use anything else then you may find your email gets
rejected
by strictly implemented mail servers (rare these days, but it
happens).
Incidentally, CR only applies to Mac OS9 and earlier. OSX uses LF
due to its
BSD roots. For a near-complete list, see "Representations" here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline.
-Stuart
--
Stuart Dallas
3ft9 Ltd
http://3ft9.com/
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