php-general Digest 29 Jun 2005 10:06:15 -0000 Issue 3539
Topics (messages 217775 through 217804):
Re: looking for a pure startup opportunity..OT
217775 by: Chris W. Parker
217778 by: Esteamedpw.aol.com
217781 by: Ryan A
Re: shell expansion (globbing) from inside php cli script
217776 by: Brian V Bonini
217777 by: Brian V Bonini
217795 by: Bob Winter
Re: Question about HTTP 301 permanent redirects
217779 by: Andy Pieters
217780 by: Andy Pieters
date problem
217782 by: Mario netMines
217783 by: Jasper Bryant-Greene
217784 by: Mario netMines
217798 by: Jasper Bryant-Greene
Re: ad management
217785 by: Miles Thompson
force https
217786 by: Ross
217791 by: Dan Trainor
217792 by: Robert Cummings
217796 by: Dan Trainor
217797 by: Jasper Bryant-Greene
217799 by: Robert Cummings
Re: PHP vs. ColdFusion
217787 by: Rick Emery
217788 by: Rick Emery
217789 by: Rick Emery
217790 by: Rick Emery
217793 by: Rick Emery
217794 by: Rick Emery
217802 by: Andrew Scott
Re: Zeus Technology wins again!
217800 by: Burhan Khalid
Re: Dynamic pspell module, and adding new words to the list
217801 by: Burhan Khalid
Returned mail: see transcript for details
217803 by: dv-l.dvcentral.org
domxml_load_mem()/_file()
217804 by: Chris Boget
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on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 2:23 PM said:
> This really shouldn't be getting out of hand the way it is... if you
> don't like it, trust it, agree with it - why not just ignore it? It's
> as simple as that... don't have a stroke because of it.
Hmm... funny.
According to my calculations no one has commented on this in about 4
hours. Yet here is your email, doing exactly what you're telling
everyone else not to. That is, ignoring an email they don't agree with
instead of replying to it.
:|
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Well, unfortunately you just contradicted yourself as well. I had about 18
e-mails of the same thing, so I was replying about those.
Thanks for your input though, It's appreciated.
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On 6/29/2005 12:16:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Well, unfortunately you just contradicted yourself as well. I had about 18
> e-mails of the same thing, so I was replying about those.
>
> Thanks for your input though, It's appreciated.
Sure thing, you're welcome dude!
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On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 20:51, Jasper Bryant-Greene wrote:
> Brian V Bonini wrote:
> >>> I can echo out the command and get a well formed command, i.e.
> >>> one that will execute from a command prompt, but when I try to
> >>> exec() $cmd from within the script the globbing is taken
> >>> literally.
>
> Try shell_exec(). I don't think exec() goes via the shell.
Tried that too.
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On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 22:04, Bob Winter wrote:
> Brian,
>
> Can you post more of the script?
Sure. I also tried {{$files}} and tried calling a shell exclusively like:
sh -s 'scp [EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Anyway, here's more for the code surrounding the area in question, it's a
little hacked up ATM
but your get the picture. I can send the whole file to you if you think it will
help. I basically
just want to be able to do '$ command {file,file1,file2}' from within a php cli
script but the {} are
not expanding.
} else {
if($argv[1] == $switches[0]) {
print("Do you want to push live from dev[d] or staging[s]?: ");
$confirm = read_input();
if(!$confirm) {
echo "You did not select a choice, exiting program\n";
exit;
}
if ($confirm == "s") {
if(!(mkdir($tmp_dir, 0777))) {
echo "Error: can not make temp dir for files.
Please log into staging and push manually";
exit;
}
}
$live_servers = array("a", "b", "c");
print("Which live servers (a=[all] b=[1-5] c=[6-13]): ");
$which_servers = read_input();
if(!in_array($which_servers, $live_servers)) {
echo "You must choose which live servers\n";
$err = true;
exit;
} else {
switch($which_servers) {
case $live_servers[0]:
$i = 1;
$j = 13;
break;
case $live_servers[1]:
$i = 1;
$j = 5;
break;
case $live_servers[2]:
$i = 6;
$j = 13;
break;
default:
echo "An unrecoverable error has occured\n";
$err = true;
exit;
}
$ii = $i; // store this so we can reset $i on each
outer foreach
foreach($files as $directory => $file_array) {
$files = implode(",", $file_array);
if($confirm == "s") { //if staging suck the
files down to temp local dir first
$cmd = "scp [EMAIL
PROTECTED]:$directory/{{$files}} $tmp_dir/.";
echo $cmd . "\n\n";
exec($cmd, $output, $err);
//shell_exec($cmd);
}
while (!$err && $i <= $j) {
($i < 10) ? $cname = "cwsweb0" : $cname
= "cwsweb";
$cmd = "scp $tmp_dir/" . '{' . $files .
'}' . "[EMAIL PROTECTED]:$directory/.";
//echo $cmd . "\n";
//exec($cmd, $output, $err);
$i++;
}
$i = $ii; // reset $i to original value so loop
continues
}
if(file_exists($tmp_dir)) rmdir($tmp_dir); // remove
the temp dir
$err= true;
}
}
>
> --Bob
>
> Brian V Bonini wrote:
> > On Mon, 27 Jun 2005, [ISO-8859-1] Andr? Medeiros wrote:
> >
> >
> >>$cmd = 'scp ' . $user . '@stagingcws.' . $tld . ':' . $directory/{' .
> >>$files . '} ' . $tmp_dir . '/';
> >>
> >>That should work
> >>
> >>On 6/27/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Can not make this work inside a php script.
> >>>
> >>>Have tried several variations:
> >>>$cmd = "scp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:$directory/\{$files} $tmp_dir/.";
> >>>
> >>>$cmd = "scp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:$directory/" . '{' . $files . '} ' .
> >>>"$tmp_dir/.";
> >>>
> >>>etc...
> >>>
> >>>I can echo out the command and get a well formed command, i.e. one that
> >>>will execute from a command prompt, but when I try to exec() $cmd from
> >>>within the script the globbing is taken literally.
> >>>
> >
> >
> > No, I already tried it that way too. I guess I should mention this is a
> > cli script if that matters.
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Brian,
The format of your string that works for me is :
$cmd = "scp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:$directory/\{$files\} $tmp_dir";
$files must be a comma separated string with NO SPACES.
Here is my complete test script for your review:
==== START =====
#!/usr/bin/php
<?php
$file1 = 'file_A';
$file2 = 'file_B';
$file3 = 'file_C';
$files = "$file1,$file2,$file3";
$directory = '/tmp';
$user = 'root';
$tld = 'com';
$tmp_dir = '/tmp/test';
$cmd = "scp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:$directory/\{$files\} $tmp_dir";
exec($cmd, $output, $err);
echo "string: $cmd \n";
echo "status:$err \n";
print_r($output);
?>
=== END ====
Hope this solves your problem.
--Bob
Brian V Bonini wrote:
if($confirm == "s") { //if staging suck the files down to temp local dir
first
$cmd = "scp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:$directory/{{$files}} $tmp_dir/.";
echo $cmd . "\n\n";
exec($cmd, $output, $err);
//shell_exec($cmd);
}
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Hi
Actually you can get away with this:
header("Location: $url",301);
This will let php generate the proper headers
Also, and I stress this point (again and again), the http specification
clearly states that location headers need to have a *fully qualified url* not
a site-specific one.
Failure to do so puts the proper working of your site in the hands of the end
user's browser who may very well fail to redirect because he doesn't find
http://yourpage.php. (some browser do handle this correctly, but that's
besides the point).
HTH
Andy
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Check out these few php utilities that I released
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php cli binary:
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On Wednesday 29 June 2005 00:31, Andy Pieters wrote:
> Hi
>
> Actually you can get away with this:
>
> header("Location: $url",301);
Well it looks like we all make typos
Header("Location: $url",true,301);
is more like it
> This will let php generate the proper headers
>
> Also, and I stress this point (again and again), the http specification
> clearly states that location headers need to have a *fully qualified url*
> not a site-specific one.
>
> Failure to do so puts the proper working of your site in the hands of the
> end user's browser who may very well fail to redirect because he doesn't
> find http://yourpage.php. (some browser do handle this correctly, but
> that's besides the point).
>
> HTH
>
> Andy
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Hi all
I have a database that holds car rental info
DB:
carrental_from (datetime field)
carrental_to (datetime field)
carrental_price (datetime field) [rates are per hour]
The values I have are like:
0000-00-00 00:00:00,0000-00-00 07:00:00,10 (all year around 00:00-07:00)
0000-00-00 07:00:00,0000-00-00 00:00:00,20 (all year around 07:00-00:00)
2005-12-22 07:00:00,2006-01-02 00:00:00,15 (christmas period 00:00-07:00)
2005-12-22 00:00:00,2006-01-02 07:00:00,25 (christmas period 07:00-00:00)
The user selects dates ($from - $to) to rent a car and he gets the price
accordingly.
I can do a (($to-$from)/60/60) and get the total number of hours but
depending on the date and time you get a different result. Can anyone help
with the SQL?
Thanks in advance
Mario
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Firstly, this shouldn't be in the PHP list, as you're asking for help
with SQL.
Mario netMines wrote:
> carrental_from (datetime field)
> carrental_to (datetime field)
> carrental_price (datetime field) [rates are per hour]
carrental_price shouldn't be a datetime field, as it isn't a datetime value.
> The values I have are like:
> 0000-00-00 00:00:00,0000-00-00 07:00:00,10 (all year around 00:00-07:00)
> 0000-00-00 07:00:00,0000-00-00 00:00:00,20 (all year around 07:00-00:00)
> 2005-12-22 07:00:00,2006-01-02 00:00:00,15 (christmas period 00:00-07:00)
> 2005-12-22 00:00:00,2006-01-02 07:00:00,25 (christmas period 07:00-00:00)
>
> The user selects dates ($from - $to) to rent a car and he gets the price
> accordingly.
> I can do a (($to-$from)/60/60) and get the total number of hours but
> depending on the date and time you get a different result. Can anyone
> help with the SQL?
Read up on the MySQL DATEDIFF() function, if you are using MySQL. Other
DBMSs should have an equiv. function.
Jasper
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Hi Jasper and thanks for the quick reply.
something tells me it's not a straightforward SQL query that I have to use
here but a logic using PHP and SQL.
Mario
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From: "Jasper Bryant-Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <php-general@lists.php.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:28 AM
Subject: [PHP] Re: date problem
Firstly, this shouldn't be in the PHP list, as you're asking for help
with SQL.
Mario netMines wrote:
carrental_from (datetime field)
carrental_to (datetime field)
carrental_price (datetime field) [rates are per hour]
carrental_price shouldn't be a datetime field, as it isn't a datetime
value.
The values I have are like:
0000-00-00 00:00:00,0000-00-00 07:00:00,10 (all year around 00:00-07:00)
0000-00-00 07:00:00,0000-00-00 00:00:00,20 (all year around 07:00-00:00)
2005-12-22 07:00:00,2006-01-02 00:00:00,15 (christmas period 00:00-07:00)
2005-12-22 00:00:00,2006-01-02 07:00:00,25 (christmas period 07:00-00:00)
The user selects dates ($from - $to) to rent a car and he gets the price
accordingly.
I can do a (($to-$from)/60/60) and get the total number of hours but
depending on the date and time you get a different result. Can anyone
help with the SQL?
Read up on the MySQL DATEDIFF() function, if you are using MySQL. Other
DBMSs should have an equiv. function.
Jasper
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Mario netMines wrote:
> Hi Jasper and thanks for the quick reply.
>
> something tells me it's not a straightforward SQL query that I have to
> use here but a logic using PHP and SQL.
Please don't top-post.
It can be done in SQL quite easily, as can many things people use PHP
for. Go to the MySQL manual at http://dev.mysql.com/ and read up on
Date/Time functions, specifically the DATEDIFF() function. IIRC, it
returns the difference between two dates.
You can perform many types of arithmetic on the return value of the
function which should help to get the result you want. Try the MySQL
mailing lists if you can't figure it out, or if you're completely stuck
and are *convinced* it's a PHP problem (which I doubt, but I could be
wrong) then by all means come back!
Cheers
Jasper
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Set up a small script which is the focus of your ads - when user clicks on
an ad the key is passed and the number of views can be incremented, along
with date, time and IP is you care, and as you are not outputting
anything, the header() function can direct the user to the target destination.
Cheers - Miles Thompson
At 12:17 AM 6/28/2005, Sebastian wrote:
i am looking for a simple ad management app to keep track of ad
views/impressions. i was looking at phpadsnews, but it seems way too much
bloat of what i need i to do.
anyone know of a simple ad script to keep track of views/impressions?
thanks.
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Hi,
I need to force the url from http://mydomain.com to https://mydomain.com, so
my ssl is active. Anyway this can be done with php?
R.
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Ross wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I need to force the url from http://mydomain.com to https://mydomain.com, so
> my ssl is active. Anyway this can be done with php?
>
>
> R.
>
<i'm a newbie, you've been warned>
header('Location: https://mydomain.com'); ?
</i'm a newbie, you've been warned>
I don't know if that would work for an HTTPS referral - however, I don't
know why it wouldn't Give it a shot, and if nothing else, let *me*
know, even if it's off-list.
Thanks
-dant
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On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 23:26, Dan Trainor wrote:
> Ross wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I need to force the url from http://mydomain.com to https://mydomain.com,
> > so
> > my ssl is active. Anyway this can be done with php?
> <i'm a newbie, you've been warned>
>
> header('Location: https://mydomain.com'); ?
>
> </i'm a newbie, you've been warned>
>
> I don't know if that would work for an HTTPS referral - however, I don't
> know why it wouldn't Give it a shot, and if nothing else, let *me*
> know, even if it's off-list.
It'll work fine, but here's a something a little more generic :)
header( 'Location:
https://'.$_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'].$_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'] );
Cheers,
Rob.
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Robert Cummings wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 23:26, Dan Trainor wrote:
>
>>Ross wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I need to force the url from http://mydomain.com to https://mydomain.com, so
>>>my ssl is active. Anyway this can be done with php?
>
>
>><i'm a newbie, you've been warned>
>>
>>header('Location: https://mydomain.com'); ?
>>
>></i'm a newbie, you've been warned>
>>
>>I don't know if that would work for an HTTPS referral - however, I don't
>>know why it wouldn't Give it a shot, and if nothing else, let *me*
>>know, even if it's off-list.
>
>
> It'll work fine, but here's a something a little more generic :)
>
> header( 'Location:
> https://'.$_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'].$_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'] );
>
> Cheers,
> Rob.
Hey, you learn something new every day, huh.
Thanks for the tip
-dant
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> Robert Cummings wrote:
>> On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 23:26, Dan Trainor wrote:
>>> <i'm a newbie, you've been warned>
>>>
>>> header('Location: https://mydomain.com'); ?
>>>
>>> </i'm a newbie, you've been warned>
>>>
>>
>> It'll work fine, but here's a something a little more generic :)
>>
>> header( 'Location:
>> https://'.$_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'].$_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'] );
>>
>> Cheers, Rob.
That'll work, but if you have the same files serving both the HTTP and
HTTPS sites you might want to enclose it in the following, unless you
like infinite loops:
if($_SERVER['HTTPS'] != 'on') {
}
Assuming that you're using Apache. I'm not sure if other servers set
that variable.
Jasper
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On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 00:44, Jasper Bryant-Greene wrote:
> > Robert Cummings wrote:
> >> On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 23:26, Dan Trainor wrote:
> >>> <i'm a newbie, you've been warned>
> >>>
> >>> header('Location: https://mydomain.com'); ?
> >>>
> >>> </i'm a newbie, you've been warned>
> >>>
> >>
> >> It'll work fine, but here's a something a little more generic :)
> >>
> >> header( 'Location:
> >> https://'.$_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'].$_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'] );
> >>
> >> Cheers, Rob.
>
> That'll work, but if you have the same files serving both the HTTP and
> HTTPS sites you might want to enclose it in the following, unless you
> like infinite loops:
>
> if($_SERVER['HTTPS'] != 'on') {
>
> }
>
> Assuming that you're using Apache. I'm not sure if other servers set
> that variable.
Yep, good catch. Recently I've been working with some hosts that force
you to put the files in separate directories even though it means
duplication, so I completely forgot about that :)
Cheers,
Rob.
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Quoting Ke'tszeri Csaba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
About zend: sorry to say that here, but the less tools you use, the
more freedom you have.
Give me ssh access to any server running my php code and I can
inspect it very well, may fix it in one shot :)). From anywhere.
For what it's worth, I agree. I work with php at home and run it on a
server with no graphical interface installed. For all of my work there,
I ssh to the server and use vi to edit the files.
At the office, we plan to use Zend Studio (it provides some
functionality we like) and Zend Platform (for monitoring the server),
but we will definitely ensure that any apps would run on a server with
just php (to avoid lock-in).
More tecnically, like we were programmers: php offers several of its
functions as a wrapping of low level system routines and native
drivers. I can hardly imagine any app design to be more effective
than this.
If you are worried about code parsing, php accelerator may be just enough. ;)
Thanks for your input!
Rick
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Quoting Jochem Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
what is special about the MSSQL2K servers? do you have a lot of stored
procedures in it? stuff like that?
Exactly; the past mentality has been "do everything through stored
procedures", so we have a *lot*. Also, my manager's boss (who has since
retired) had a very Microsoft-centric outlook. My manager is gradually
overcoming that, but everything we do is data collection, storage, and
retrieval, so MSSQL2K is pretty entrenched in the organization.
if the MSSQL servers are so important/complex/big/etc then maybe ASP.not
is the right way to go? given that moving 'everything' from
client-server to web-baseed interfaces isn't really a short-term
operation. (assuming some level of complexity in the existing software.)
Good point. But ASP.Net is definitely out (even my Microsoft-centric
manager wants to stay away from the Framework for now). Only new
applications and smaller existing utilities will be done web-based,
with an eye on porting existing applications gradually at some later
time as our schedule permits. And you hit the nail right on the head;
our existing apps are very complex (heavy COM+, MSMQ, and some of those
other nasty bits :-); those won't even be considered for some time.
A funny thing about this; I wrote a php application as a
proof-of-concept (to show that it would work for us). The big-wigs in
the organization fell in love with the app, and it was placed into
production. It was initially placed on a W2K server with IIS 5, but we
had some problems. It was moved to a W2K3 server with IIS 6, and the
problem remained. I moved the app to a Linux server (well, it's really
just a PC) with Apache2, and it's run for a few weeks without any
problems. I think my manager's new boss wants to use this success to
use a production Linux server (which would be our first) to host our
web apps.
like marcromedia tools are required to run CF, they 'tie you in' to
the technology. buying Zend products is optional, if the Zend IDE is judge to
be a moneysaving tool for working with PHP then you buy it. But you
don't have to. the essential tools are with out cost and open to inspection
and modification. Purchasing Zend Accelerator/Encoder maybe a good move
for you company but again its not a requirement.
Absolutely. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I'm used to developing
through ssh with vi :-) Any code we write would have to run on a server
without any Zend products, but those of us who have evaluated them
believe there is enough added value in some of the Zend products to
consider them.
from a strategic point of view it might also not be wise to make a
substanstial investment in technology from a company thats just been
bought out by the competion (adobe)?
That will definitely be discussed; I read an article the other day that
the acquisition has now put Adobe/Macromedia in Microsoft's
cross-hairs. Of course, I also read an article that Microsoft is trying
to extinguish LAMP, but I actually chuckled when I read that one.
Thanks for your input!
Rick
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Quoting Jonathan Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Take a look at these, they are just some of the articles I've bookmarked
over the past
Oracle is now behind (well in support of) PHP
http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/php/index.html
IBM is also behind PHP (well in support of)
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/techjournal/0505_krook/0505_krook.html
http://www-306.ibm.com/software/data/info/zendcore/pr.html
Microsoft looks to extenguish LAMP
http://news.com.com/Microsoft+looks+to+extinguish
+LAMP/2100-1012_3-5746549.html
Misc:
http://www.robertpeake.com/archives/66-Why-PHP.html
http://news.com.com/2061-10795_3-5663085.html
To be fair:
http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39193420,00.htm
If you're org decides to go PHP... there are all kinds of OpenSource
tools they can choose use which they can enhance for their
organization's specific needs
GForge
Mambo CMS
SugarCRM
and more...
GForge and SugarCRM also have paid support options as well.
-Jonathan Villa
Thanks for the info!
Rick
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Quoting Anton Kovalenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
As to ColdFusion, It seems to me that this technology is dead already.
What makes you say this? I had never heard anything like this, but it
would certainly be powerful ammunition to present to my bosses.
Thanks,
Rick
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Quoting Brad Pauly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
It might not be easy to put a number on, but consider your (and
possibly the other developers') enthusiasm about PHP. I would guess
that you will be more productive with something that you are excited
about.
Our senior developer and I (who come from a C background) are big php
fans, and have made that fact clear to management. We have a new
developer whose background is in ColdFusion, but he's been playing with
and has warmed to php; he says he likes it and would look forward to
the challenge of a new language. We have a Visual Basic programmer who
I thought would push for ColdFusion but, to my surprise, he's pushing
for php (maybe just because he's following everybody else, but I don't
really care why). Our last developer hasn't expressed an opinion one
way or the other. Our manager, who will ultimately make the decision,
has seen some ColdFusion demos and really likes the ease of use
(through abstraction of common tasks) and RAD capabilities. To my
knowledge, she hasn't looked at php yet (which is why I'm soliciting
information).
I have done a lot of work in both ColdFusion and PHP and I much prefer
PHP. There are some technical reasons (i.e., I like "shared nothing"),
but some of it is also personal preference. I just like it. CF is fine
and I don't think it's dead, but it just isn't as fun to work with. My
biggest problem with CF is probably that I have to use it on Windows
and, well, I really don't like that. ;) You mention being in a Windows
environment so maybe you don't have a choice with that aspect.
Good information; I really appreciate having opinions from ColdFusion
developers. As far as the Windows environment, things may be on the way
to changing; see my earlier post about a current php application
running on a Linux box with Apache.
If management can see that you are stoked to use PHP that might help
your cause.
That's what I'm hoping, and so far it seems to be having an impact.
Thanks for your input!
Rick
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Quoting Matt Babineau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Yeah -> I'll second all of this. I'm a Certified Macromedia CF Developer,
why do you ask am I on this list? The answer is simple, php is better.
However with the recent developments in CF6, CF has become very comparable.
Why would I still choose PHP over CF given this? Ease of management. I don't
have to even think about the server. I spend about 1 hr a month messing
around with the server (daemon restarts or php config changes). That's where
LAMP's value really shines through I think you will find.
I really appreciate having an opinion from a ColdFusion developer.
Thanks!
Rick
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I have been a coldfusion developer for now 10 years almost, and can code
anything you want in a very short time. Have been learning PHP for now 6
months and I am sorry to say that I don't like PHP over coldfusion.
Now the problem is that with any language that you choose to develop in, it
all boils down to maintenance costs. Sure PHP might be free, but lets look
at the realistic world of development.
Coldfusion allows very RAD and is very code reuse friendly and is not dead
in the water, and keeps getting stronger and stronger. With coldfusion you
have the ability to leverage of java more than you care to think, and even a
simple command like
String = WhatThe.Size();
Will work, and the method size is not a part of coldfusion but a part of
java, and makes the code just as easy to use than ever before. With the
ability of tags we have created a framework in coldfusion that allows us to
create a master / detail page in around 2 minutes, we can't do this in php
without spending a minimum of 4 hours to do the same job.
Now the thing is no matter were you go you will get that this is better than
that, and in this case I do like php, but I enjoy and can get things done
quicker in coldfusion. I am only here because I have to maintain some php
code.
But lets look at the bigger picture for a minute, php might be free but look
at the amount of time it would take to develop and application, then look at
coldfusion and it might cost but its quicker to develop with the right
person and could end up saving you time and money in the future.
Now I have read that people have talked about server loads, if the
coldfusion application is installed correctly in the first place then it
would not be an issue that's why there is an enterprise version.
We develop intranet applications that deliver sales invoicing, and financial
report writing with pdf invoices / picking slips and this is now included in
coldfusion although we use it with CR9/10, but to have this feature in a php
application its too much of a headache to program (time wise).
Most powers to be will be looking at the overall cost, development cost and
maintenance cost and this can be very expensive, if you don't do your
homework first, and with blue dragon you don't need to spend a cent to
develop in coldfusion.
Regards
Andrew Scott
Analyst Programmer
CMS Transport Systems
Level 2/33 Bank Street
South Melbourne, Victoria, 3205
Phone: 03 9699 7988 - Fax: 03 9699 7976
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Dan Rossi wrote:
Hi there, an internal client of ours requires spell checking in their
textarea forms on names of people for searching thousands of records
properly. What it needs to be able to do is add new names to the
dictionary. The server its on is a few years old, it already has the
pspell and aspell libraries and command line tools, its running php4.3.0
urrggh, what i am needing to do is load it as a dynamic module and then
use an Ajax service to do the spell checking. The spell checker needs to
be able to add names to the dictionary is any of this possible ?
Did you check http://php.net/pspell ? These functions have been
available since 4.0.2
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Is there a hard limit to the size of the file you can load into the DOM
using either of the above functions? I ask because I have a 5mb XML
file I'm trying to load and both functions die when used. I've whittled
the size down to about 1.5mb and both functions then work. It's not
as if it's dying because the structure of the XML is invalid, since I am
not altering the structure as I whittle it down. When my script runs, I
can't check for any possible errors because the script dies *at*/*in* the
load function.
The nearest I can tell is that it's dieing because of memory issues.
That for some reason, the size is too large for PHP to load into the
DOM. When I load the file into XMLSpy, that applications mem usage
in task manager (WinXP) is showing as 150k and my system bogs
down alot. But even so, XMLSpy is loading it. The server that I am
running my script on (only to die) is Windows 2003 running Apache
2 and has 1GB of RAM. And though I'll grant you that the server is
also running the likes of IIS, SQL Server and a few other intensive
applications, 1GB should be more than enough.
So I'm wondering if there might be some other reason, apart from the
memory, that such a large XML document would cause both of the
above named functions to cause the script to halt/crash.
thnx,
Chris
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