php-general Digest 7 Oct 2010 17:24:29 -0000 Issue 6977
Topics (messages 308527 through 308536):
Re: daemon
308527 by: Nathan Nobbe
308530 by: Per Jessen
308532 by: Colin Guthrie
308533 by: Per Jessen
Re: Vermis - new issue tracker in PHP
308528 by: Lukasz Cepowski
Re: Continuance of the struggle (trying to understand)
308529 by: Col Day
308531 by: a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk
308534 by: Steve Staples
tedd's Friday Post ($ per line)
308535 by: tedd
308536 by: Bastien Koert
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On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Tommy Pham <tommy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone have a script running as daemon on Linux/Unix (variants) as
> part
> of your PHP application? If so, what are you using to schedule the script
> to run? cron?
>
cron is one way to do it for scripts you schedule. for real daemon
processes though ive recently deployed a php script on gentoo by leveraging
the init scripts. essentially my program runs a while(true) and uses
pcntl_fork() to create worker children. the parent process listens for
signals which are sent by an init script. theres also a really nice
start-stop-daemon function in the init script library which backgrounds the
process for me and creates a pid lockfile. really slick.
now i have an interface to my script like
/etc/init.d/php-service start
etc. plus it ties right into the runlevel scripts, i just run
rc-update add php-service default
and the script will start when the box hits runlevel 3!
-nathan
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Tommy Pham wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone have a script running as daemon on Linux/Unix (variants)
> as part of your PHP application?
Yeah, several.
> If so, what are you using to schedule the script to run? cron?
sysVinit and startproc
--
Per Jessen, Zürich (12.1°C)
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'Twas brillig, and Nathan Nobbe at 07/10/10 06:46 did gyre and gimble:
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Tommy Pham <tommy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Does anyone have a script running as daemon on Linux/Unix (variants) as
>> part
>> of your PHP application? If so, what are you using to schedule the script
>> to run? cron?
>>
>
> cron is one way to do it for scripts you schedule. for real daemon
> processes though ive recently deployed a php script on gentoo by leveraging
> the init scripts. essentially my program runs a while(true) and uses
> pcntl_fork() to create worker children. the parent process listens for
> signals which are sent by an init script. theres also a really nice
> start-stop-daemon function in the init script library which backgrounds the
> process for me and creates a pid lockfile. really slick.
>
> now i have an interface to my script like
>
> /etc/init.d/php-service start
>
> etc. plus it ties right into the runlevel scripts, i just run
>
> rc-update add php-service default
>
> and the script will start when the box hits runlevel 3!
Yeah that's what I do too. Of course systemd will change everything
"initscript" related, but I don't expect it to hit production servers
for a while.
Col
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Colin Guthrie wrote:
> Yeah that's what I do too. Of course systemd will change everything
> "initscript" related, but I don't expect it to hit production servers
> for a while.
Could easily be years - the init-sequence is only interesting at
boot-time, and server runs for years (wel, mine certainly do).
/Per
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Hello,
Actually I'm planning the 1.0 version of Vermis, if you have any
suggestions what should be improved and changed please share.
I'd very appreciate that kind of feedback.
Feel free to download, test and use Vermis.
Thanks,
Lukasz (cepa) Cepowski
DiabloWare :: Software from Hell!
www.diabloware.com | www.cepowski.pl
skype: lukasz.cepowski
cell: +48 502 670 711
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Morning all,
Apologies for the delay, I've just become a Dad for the first time so a
little distracted!
If I explain exactly what I am trying to do then it may become clear as to
where I'm going wrong.
Needless to say, new baby so want to show him off (Callum, 7lb4oz) so
decided to buy a webname and pay for hosting, however money is a bit tight,
so being adventurous (or stupid, not sure which yet) I set up apache on my
laptop and started writing a website in Serif's WebPlus10. However I wanted
to have an upload area on the site for friends and family to send their
pictures of Callum (and the family and anything else they wanted) so there
was a central "store". However I tried to find some html to handle the
upload of these files but wasn't able to work it out, google and various
other bitsx of research on the net showed that I probably needed to run a
script to do this and PHP seemed the simplest, so I downloaded PHP 5.3.3 and
installed it.
This is where it started getting tricky as I was using the PHP for dummies
book from 2006. I typed that piece of code in (direct from the book) but
added it as an html attachment into my site I was building. Uploaded the
site to my localhost and had a look. I only got the HTML line from the
script. This is where I started contacting you bunch of fine programmers!
I have now learned that if I save the script as a .php file and navigate
direct to it on localhost it works fine, but I think what I am trying to do
is get it to work in an existing webpage so that I can then get my upload
working.
Any help you can offer from explanantions to whole bits of code will be
greatly received!
Many thanks!
"Steve Staples" <sstap...@mnsi.net> wrote in message
news:1286281586.4703.63.ca...@webdev01...
Col:
If i am reading this correctly, then i think you're looking at this all
wrong.
If you're working within some kind of page, stored outside of the
http://localhost served by apache, like say the .php file is on the
desktop... then yeah, you're not going to get the PHP information
displayed.
(tech people bare with me here...)
PHP pages, are "compiled" when called... so you need apache to call php
and translate the PHP code so that if there is any output, it will
display that output.
If you're trying to show a .php file from teh desktop, then apache isn't
handeling this request, and therefor has no idea that there is php code
that has to be compiled, and therefore it will just ignore it.
I am sure that I am goign to get flamed for that, but i think that it
kinda simplifies what apache does for php.
NOW... you can run a php file from the command line, but you're not
going to get the HTML results as you would had you ran if from the
localhost where apache knows what to do with a .php file.
So... long story short, if you want PHP to display the PHP stuff, then
you will need to have it interpreted by apache (or IIS, or whatever your
web server software is) to have it spit back to a web browser client.
Hopefully this makes sense, it is early here, i am just getting into
work :(, and it made sense while i was typing it... but my coffee intake
has not had time to work it's wonderful magic with me yet, so my
thoughts may be scattered.
Steve
On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 12:57 +0100, Col Day wrote:
LOL!
This is WITH xammp!!
"Gary" <php-gene...@garydjones.name> wrote in message
news:i8f26m$j4...@dough.gmane.org...
> Col Day wrote:
>> ""Col Day"" <colind...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:23.81.45586.2820b...@pb1.pair.com...
>>> <html>
>>> <head>
>>> <title>PHP Test</title>
>>> </head>
>>> <body>
>>> <p>This is an HTML line
> </p> <!-- close your tag, you evil man! :-) -->
>>> <?php
>>> echo "<p>This is a PHP line</p>";
>>> phpinfo();
>>> ?>
>>> </body>
>>> </html>
>
>> If I paste this into a webpage I only get the "HTML" line as before.
>
> What do you mean, "webpage"? foo.php, for example, or foo.html? If the
> latter then I am guessing your Apache will serve the page purely as
> html, and it will never be processed by php. If the former then check
> that Apache is configured to run php files through php before serving
> them (must admit, I'm not sure how to do that, it depends on your
> Apache
> and PHP). Or, really, just install xampp, it's by far the easiest way
> and will avoid all the problems associated with configuring two rather
> complex pieces of software.
>
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It will only work if your listing supports php, but you should just be able to
put the whole sure up on your hosting, give the upload directory the correct
permissions ( its most likely a more secure Linux hosting than insecure windows
hosting)
Thanks,
Ash
http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
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From: "Col Day" <colind...@aol.com>
Date: Thu, Oct 7, 2010 08:33
Subject: [PHP] Re: Continuance of the struggle (trying to understand)
To: <php-gene...@lists.php.net>
Morning all,
Apologies for the delay, I've just become a Dad for the first time so a
little distracted!
If I explain exactly what I am trying to do then it may become clear as to
where I'm going wrong.
Needless to say, new baby so want to show him off (Callum, 7lb4oz) so
decided to buy a webname and pay for hosting, however money is a bit tight,
so being adventurous (or stupid, not sure which yet) I set up apache on my
laptop and started writing a website in Serif's WebPlus10. However I wanted
to have an upload area on the site for friends and family to send their
pictures of Callum (and the family and anything else they wanted) so there
was a central "store". However I tried to find some html to handle the
upload of these files but wasn't able to work it out, google and various
other bitsx of research on the net showed that I probably needed to run a
script to do this and PHP seemed the simplest, so I downloaded PHP 5.3.3 and
installed it.
This is where it started getting tricky as I was using the PHP for dummies
book from 2006. I typed that piece of code in (direct from the book) but
added it as an html attachment into my site I was building. Uploaded the
site to my localhost and had a look. I only got the HTML line from the
script. This is where I started contacting you bunch of fine programmers!
I have now learned that if I save the script as a .php file and navigate
direct to it on localhost it works fine, but I think what I am trying to do
is get it to work in an existing webpage so that I can then get my upload
working.
Any help you can offer from explanantions to whole bits of code will be
greatly received!
Many thanks!
"Steve Staples" <sstap...@mnsi.net> wrote in message
news:1286281586.4703.63.ca...@webdev01...
> Col:
>
> If i am reading this correctly, then i think you're looking at this all
> wrong.
>
> If you're working within some kind of page, stored outside of the
> http://localhost served by apache, like say the .php file is on the
> desktop... then yeah, you're not going to get the PHP information
> displayed.
>
> (tech people bare with me here...)
> PHP pages, are "compiled" when called... so you need apache to call php
> and translate the PHP code so that if there is any output, it will
> display that output.
>
> If you're trying to show a .php file from teh desktop, then apache isn't
> handeling this request, and therefor has no idea that there is php code
> that has to be compiled, and therefore it will just ignore it.
>
> I am sure that I am goign to get flamed for that, but i think that it
> kinda simplifies what apache does for php.
>
> NOW... you can run a php file from the command line, but you're not
> going to get the HTML results as you would had you ran if from the
> localhost where apache knows what to do with a .php file.
>
> So... long story short, if you want PHP to display the PHP stuff, then
> you will need to have it interpreted by apache (or IIS, or whatever your
> web server software is) to have it spit back to a web browser client.
>
> Hopefully this makes sense, it is early here, i am just getting into
> work :(, and it made sense while i was typing it... but my coffee intake
> has not had time to work it's wonderful magic with me yet, so my
> thoughts may be scattered.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 12:57 +0100, Col Day wrote:
>> LOL!
>>
>> This is WITH xammp!!
>>
>>
>>
>> "Gary" <php-gene...@garydjones.name> wrote in message
>> news:i8f26m$j4...@dough.gmane.org...
>> > Col Day wrote:
>> >> ""Col Day"" <colind...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:23.81.45586.2820b...@pb1.pair.com...
>> >>> <html>
>> >>> <head>
>> >>> <title>PHP Test</title>
>> >>> </head>
>> >>> <body>
>> >>> <p>This is an HTML line
>> > </p> <!-- close your tag, you evil man! :-) -->
>> >>> <?php
>> >>> echo "<p>This is a PHP line</p>";
>> >>> phpinfo();
>> >>> ?>
>> >>> </body>
>> >>> </html>
>> >
>> >> If I paste this into a webpage I only get the "HTML" line as before.
>> >
>> > What do you mean, "webpage"? foo.php, for example, or foo.html? If the
>> > latter then I am guessing your Apache will serve the page purely as
>> > html, and it will never be processed by php. If the former then check
>> > that Apache is configured to run php files through php before serving
>> > them (must admit, I'm not sure how to do that, it depends on your
>> > Apache
>> > and PHP). Or, really, just install xampp, it's by far the easiest way
>> > and will avoid all the problems associated with configuring two rather
>> > complex pieces of software.
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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Col:
Congratulations on becoming a father!! As a father of 3 myself, I know
the joys that infants bring :)
As for your scripting issues, I would suggest that you save your files
with the .php extension, and not the .html. The .php extension will
tell the php compliler/parser/whatever and spit back the "compiled" php
script.
If you're looking to just have a "photo gallery", there are many
free/opensource gallery scripts out there that you can use. Mind you,
there is no "sense of accomplishment" when you do it this way, but if
you're unsure about security, and file injection/sql injection, then you
may be better off using one of those, until you're further along in your
book :)
http://www.google.ca/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=opesource+php
+gallery&aq=f&aqi=g-sx1g-o1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=f85a0cf66583c3ac
in the past, I set up coppermine for a friend of mine, and he said it
works ok... but like I said, there are lots out there, and maybe
consider using one of them for now, so you can spend more time with your
new baby :)
Steve.
On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 09:00 +0100, a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote:
> It will only work if your listing supports php, but you should just be able
> to put the whole sure up on your hosting, give the upload directory the
> correct permissions ( its most likely a more secure Linux hosting than
> insecure windows hosting)
>
> Thanks,
> Ash
> http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Col Day" <colind...@aol.com>
> Date: Thu, Oct 7, 2010 08:33
> Subject: [PHP] Re: Continuance of the struggle (trying to understand)
> To: <php-gene...@lists.php.net>
>
> Morning all,
>
> Apologies for the delay, I've just become a Dad for the first time so a
> little distracted!
>
> If I explain exactly what I am trying to do then it may become clear as to
> where I'm going wrong.
>
> Needless to say, new baby so want to show him off (Callum, 7lb4oz) so
> decided to buy a webname and pay for hosting, however money is a bit tight,
> so being adventurous (or stupid, not sure which yet) I set up apache on my
> laptop and started writing a website in Serif's WebPlus10. However I wanted
> to have an upload area on the site for friends and family to send their
> pictures of Callum (and the family and anything else they wanted) so there
> was a central "store". However I tried to find some html to handle the
> upload of these files but wasn't able to work it out, google and various
> other bitsx of research on the net showed that I probably needed to run a
> script to do this and PHP seemed the simplest, so I downloaded PHP 5.3.3 and
> installed it.
>
> This is where it started getting tricky as I was using the PHP for dummies
> book from 2006. I typed that piece of code in (direct from the book) but
> added it as an html attachment into my site I was building. Uploaded the
> site to my localhost and had a look. I only got the HTML line from the
> script. This is where I started contacting you bunch of fine programmers!
>
> I have now learned that if I save the script as a .php file and navigate
> direct to it on localhost it works fine, but I think what I am trying to do
> is get it to work in an existing webpage so that I can then get my upload
> working.
>
> Any help you can offer from explanantions to whole bits of code will be
> greatly received!
>
> Many thanks!
>
> "Steve Staples" <sstap...@mnsi.net> wrote in message
> news:1286281586.4703.63.ca...@webdev01...
> > Col:
> >
> > If i am reading this correctly, then i think you're looking at this all
> > wrong.
> >
> > If you're working within some kind of page, stored outside of the
> > http://localhost served by apache, like say the .php file is on the
> > desktop... then yeah, you're not going to get the PHP information
> > displayed.
> >
> > (tech people bare with me here...)
> > PHP pages, are "compiled" when called... so you need apache to call php
> > and translate the PHP code so that if there is any output, it will
> > display that output.
> >
> > If you're trying to show a .php file from teh desktop, then apache isn't
> > handeling this request, and therefor has no idea that there is php code
> > that has to be compiled, and therefore it will just ignore it.
> >
> > I am sure that I am goign to get flamed for that, but i think that it
> > kinda simplifies what apache does for php.
> >
> > NOW... you can run a php file from the command line, but you're not
> > going to get the HTML results as you would had you ran if from the
> > localhost where apache knows what to do with a .php file.
> >
> > So... long story short, if you want PHP to display the PHP stuff, then
> > you will need to have it interpreted by apache (or IIS, or whatever your
> > web server software is) to have it spit back to a web browser client.
> >
> > Hopefully this makes sense, it is early here, i am just getting into
> > work :(, and it made sense while i was typing it... but my coffee intake
> > has not had time to work it's wonderful magic with me yet, so my
> > thoughts may be scattered.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 12:57 +0100, Col Day wrote:
> >> LOL!
> >>
> >> This is WITH xammp!!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Gary" <php-gene...@garydjones.name> wrote in message
> >> news:i8f26m$j4...@dough.gmane.org...
> >> > Col Day wrote:
> >> >> ""Col Day"" <colind...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:23.81.45586.2820b...@pb1.pair.com...
> >> >>> <html>
> >> >>> <head>
> >> >>> <title>PHP Test</title>
> >> >>> </head>
> >> >>> <body>
> >> >>> <p>This is an HTML line
> >> > </p> <!-- close your tag, you evil man! :-) -->
> >> >>> <?php
> >> >>> echo "<p>This is a PHP line</p>";
> >> >>> phpinfo();
> >> >>> ?>
> >> >>> </body>
> >> >>> </html>
> >> >
> >> >> If I paste this into a webpage I only get the "HTML" line as before.
> >> >
> >> > What do you mean, "webpage"? foo.php, for example, or foo.html? If the
> >> > latter then I am guessing your Apache will serve the page purely as
> >> > html, and it will never be processed by php. If the former then check
> >> > that Apache is configured to run php files through php before serving
> >> > them (must admit, I'm not sure how to do that, it depends on your
> >> > Apache
> >> > and PHP). Or, really, just install xampp, it's by far the easiest way
> >> > and will avoid all the problems associated with configuring two rather
> >> > complex pieces of software.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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Hi gang:
Several years ago I was involved in a court case where a programmers
work was being evaluated to establish a dollar amount for the work
done.
The case was a dispute where the client wanted money back from a
programmer for a discontinued project. The programmer simply wanted
to be paid for the work he had done. This wasn't a case where anyone
had done anything wrong, but rather a circumstance where two parties
were trying to figure out who was due what.
You see, the original client had been taken over by another company
who put a halt to the project the programmer was working on. The new
company claimed that because the project wasn't finished, then the
programmer should pay back all the money he was paid up-front to
start the project. However, while the project had not been finished,
the programmer had indeed worked on the project for several months.
The programmer stated he wanted to paid his hourly rate. But the new
client stated that the up-front money paid had been based upon a bid
and not an hourly rate. So, they were at odds as to what to do.
The solution in this case was to place a dollar amount on the actual
"lines of code" the programmer wrote. In other words, they took all
of programmers code and actually counted the lines of code he wrote
and then agreed to a specific dollar amount to each line. In this
case, the programmer had written over 25,000 lines of code. What do
you think he was paid?
And with all of that said, what dollar amount would you place on your
"line of code"?
Cheers,
tedd
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On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:20 PM, tedd <tedd.sperl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi gang:
>
> Several years ago I was involved in a court case where a programmers work
> was being evaluated to establish a dollar amount for the work done.
>
> The case was a dispute where the client wanted money back from a programmer
> for a discontinued project. The programmer simply wanted to be paid for the
> work he had done. This wasn't a case where anyone had done anything wrong,
> but rather a circumstance where two parties were trying to figure out who
> was due what.
>
> You see, the original client had been taken over by another company who put
> a halt to the project the programmer was working on. The new company claimed
> that because the project wasn't finished, then the programmer should pay
> back all the money he was paid up-front to start the project. However, while
> the project had not been finished, the programmer had indeed worked on the
> project for several months.
>
> The programmer stated he wanted to paid his hourly rate. But the new client
> stated that the up-front money paid had been based upon a bid and not an
> hourly rate. So, they were at odds as to what to do.
>
> The solution in this case was to place a dollar amount on the actual "lines
> of code" the programmer wrote. In other words, they took all of programmers
> code and actually counted the lines of code he wrote and then agreed to a
> specific dollar amount to each line. In this case, the programmer had
> written over 25,000 lines of code. What do you think he was paid?
>
> And with all of that said, what dollar amount would you place on your "line
> of code"?
>
> Cheers,
>
> tedd
>
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>
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I bet it wasn't much., $.10 (ten cents) per line?
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