[PHP] list server problem
Is it just me getting some messages 3 times? I also noticed that there is no Reply-To in the headers so every time I want to reply to the list I have to copy/paste the list's address, clicking the Reply button would send my message to the poster, not the list. I guess others are having the same problem for which reason they reply to all or cc to the list, all of us ending up with a couple copies of the message. Is this something that can be fixed? Regards, Andu Novac -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] list server problem
* Thus wrote Andu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Is it just me getting some messages 3 times? I also noticed that there is no Reply-To in the headers so every time I want to reply to the list I have to copy/paste the list's address, clicking the Reply button would send my message to the poster, not the list. I guess others are having the same problem for which reason they reply to all or cc to the list, all of us ending up with a couple copies of the message. Is this something that can be fixed? I've been noticing this too, everytime someone replies to the list I get an extra copy of the mail. It seems that most people are just doing a reply to all type follow-up. I've actually been considering adding a reply-to: php-general to my outbound mail on this list, but have hesitated doing so. I dont have that problem cause mutt recoginzes that I'm replying to the mailing list and replies directly to the list instead of the user. It would be nice if a solution could be made on this, i'm getting needless mail in my mailbox. Curt -- I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] list server problem
On Sunday 20 July 2003 14:42, Andu wrote: Is it just me getting some messages 3 times? I also noticed that there is no Reply-To in the headers so every time I want to reply to the list I have to copy/paste the list's address, clicking the Reply button would send my message to the poster, not the list. I guess others are having the same problem for which reason they reply to all or cc to the list, all of us ending up with a couple copies of the message. Is this something that can be fixed? There is nothing wrong with the headers that the list messages use. This was discussed fairly extensive about two weeks ago. Refer to archive for details. The executive summary is that there is nothing to be fixed. If you're using a less than adequate mail client which does not understand the mailing list info contained in the headers then you should either change clients or, even easier, just add the mailing list address into your address book. -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.biz Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design Hosting * Internet Intranet Applications Development * -- Search the list archives before you post http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general -- /* An antique that seems too good to be true, probably is. -- Kathy Lee's Dictum */ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] list server problem
--On Sunday, July 20, 2003 16:35:46 +0800 Jason Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 20 July 2003 14:42, Andu wrote: Is it just me getting some messages 3 times? I also noticed that there is no Reply-To in the headers so every time I want to reply to the list I have to copy/paste the list's address, clicking the Reply button would send my message to the poster, not the list. I guess others are having the same problem for which reason they reply to all or cc to the list, all of us ending up with a couple copies of the message. Is this something that can be fixed? There is nothing wrong with the headers that the list messages use. This was discussed fairly extensive about two weeks ago. Refer to archive for details. The executive summary is that there is nothing to be fixed. If you're using a less than adequate mail client which does not understand the mailing list info contained in the headers then you should either change clients or, even easier, just add the mailing list address into your address book. Nonsense, all clients understand reply-to if it's there and that is the obligation of the sender which in this case is the list server not my client. Regards, Andu Novac -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] list server problem
On Monday 21 July 2003 00:39, Andu wrote: The executive summary is that there is nothing to be fixed. If you're using a less than adequate mail client which does not understand the mailing list info contained in the headers then you should either change clients or, even easier, just add the mailing list address into your address book. Nonsense, all clients understand reply-to if it's there and that is the obligation of the sender which in this case is the list server not my client. Please read the archives. The list is not the originator/sender of any particular message and hence should not be the subject of any reply or reply-to. Therefore it follows that it is not the list's responsibility to set a reply-to header pointing to itself. It is the mail client's job (or the list subscriber to be more precise) to direct a reply to the appropriate place and not the list's responsibility to second-guess where a reply should be directed. -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.biz Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design Hosting * Internet Intranet Applications Development * -- Search the list archives before you post http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general -- /* Delta: The kids will love our inflatable slides.-- David Letterman */ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] list server problem
--On Monday, July 21, 2003 01:34:11 +0800 Jason Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 21 July 2003 00:39, Andu wrote: The executive summary is that there is nothing to be fixed. If you're using a less than adequate mail client which does not understand the mailing list info contained in the headers then you should either change clients or, even easier, just add the mailing list address into your address book. Nonsense, all clients understand reply-to if it's there and that is the obligation of the sender which in this case is the list server not my client. Please read the archives. There's several thousand emails in there, give me a subject or something. I already attempted to do that but the search only takes 2 words, it looks like and chances I use the relevant ones are low, just spent some time without any relevant success. The list is not the originator/sender of any particular message and hence should not be the subject of any reply or reply-to. Therefore it follows that it is not the list's responsibility to set a reply-to header pointing to itself. So what you're saying is that all the lists i've been on in the past 7-8 years were doing it wrong but this one doesn't. The list is not the originator of my message but an inteligent list server knows that the vast majority of the clients want to reply to the list not the originator of the message. It is the mail client's job (or the list subscriber to be more precise) to direct a reply to the appropriate place and not the list's responsibility to second-guess where a reply should be directed. So what do I do if I have one account only? Should I keep changing the Reply-To for each email I send so that replies to other unrelated mail don't end up on php list? The list should second-guess members of the list want to reply to the list 99% of the time without being wrong. -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.biz Open Source Software Systems Integrators * Web Design Hosting * Internet Intranet Applications Development * -- Search the list archives before you post http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-general -- /* Delta: The kids will love our inflatable slides.-- David Letterman */ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Regards, Andu Novac -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] list server problem
On Sun, 2003-07-20 at 11:04, Andu wrote: --On Monday, July 21, 2003 01:34:11 +0800 Jason Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 21 July 2003 00:39, Andu wrote: The executive summary is that there is nothing to be fixed. If you're using a less than adequate mail client which does not understand the mailing list info contained in the headers then you should either change clients or, even easier, just add the mailing list address into your address book. Nonsense, all clients understand reply-to if it's there and that is the obligation of the sender which in this case is the list server not my client. Please read the archives. There's several thousand emails in there, give me a subject or something. I already attempted to do that but the search only takes 2 words, it looks like and chances I use the relevant ones are low, just spent some time without any relevant success. I searched using the terms 'list' and 'reply-to', and the thread was on the first page. But it depends on which archive you're searching, of course, and you didn't specify which one you are looking in. The one I used was http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-generalr=1w=2 So what you're saying is that all the lists i've been on in the past 7-8 years were doing it wrong but this one doesn't. This is correct. Many lists have used reply-to in a broken fashion, and many people have become trained to expect this behaviour. Please do a search on the net for a document entitled 'Reply-to Considered Harmful' for more discussion on the topic. I've seen arguments about this every couple of months for the last 10 years and quite frankly am too sick of it to bother anymore. (And no, I don't run this list, I just work on the manual.) The list is not the originator of my message but an inteligent list server knows that the vast majority of the clients want to reply to the list not the originator of the message. This is not a valid assumption. I would consider any list broken which tried to outthink my decisions like that. It is the mail client's job (or the list subscriber to be more precise) to direct a reply to the appropriate place and not the list's responsibility to second-guess where a reply should be directed. So what do I do if I have one account only? Should I keep changing the Reply-To for each email I send so that replies to other unrelated mail don't end up on php list? The list should second-guess members of the list want to reply to the list 99% of the time without being wrong. I disagree. Oddly, I've known people who have been operating using the correct methodology for well over a decade with no ill effects. -- Torben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]+1.604.709.0506 http://www.thebuttlesschaps.com http://www.inflatableeye.com http://www.hybrid17.com http://www.themainonmain.com - Boycott Starbucks! http://www.haidabuckscafe.com - -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] List server
Since no one seems to have heard of a php driven list server could someone get me started on writting my own by telling me who I would read from stdin. -Jim _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] List server
On Tuesday 02 April 2002 22:10, Anzak Wolf wrote: Since no one seems to have heard of a php driven list server could someone get me started on writting my own by telling me who I would read from stdin. fopen(php://stdin, r); -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.com.hk /* Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats. -- Howard Aiken */ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] List server
On Tuesday 02 April 2002 22:10, Anzak Wolf wrote: Since no one seems to have heard of a php driven list server could someone get me started on writting my own by telling me who I would read from stdin. fopen(php://stdin, r); How does that relate to readline()? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] List server
On Wednesday 03 April 2002 01:05, Anzak Wolf wrote: On Tuesday 02 April 2002 22:10, Anzak Wolf wrote: Since no one seems to have heard of a php driven list server could someone get me started on writting my own by telling me who I would read from stdin. fopen(php://stdin, r); How does that relate to readline()? With fopen() you can do something like: cat textfile | myprog.php readline() is for interactive input. What exactly are you trying to do? -- Jason Wong - Gremlins Associates - www.gremlins.com.hk /* It's not the inital skirt length, it's the upcreep. */ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] List server
I thought I remember reading somewhere about a list server written in PHP. Does anyone know of something like this and is it any good? -Jim _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
