Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-26 Thread tedd
At 11:23 PM -0400 10/24/10, Paul M Foster wrote: On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:35:43PM -0400, tedd wrote: At 4:54 PM -0400 10/21/10, Marc Guay wrote: Toilet seat. Up or down. Same thing? Sort of. No, everything down (seat and top) is the rule in my house. You should see how women often

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-24 Thread Paul M Foster
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:35:43PM -0400, tedd wrote: At 4:54 PM -0400 10/21/10, Marc Guay wrote: Toilet seat. Up or down. Same thing? Sort of. No, everything down (seat and top) is the rule in my house. You should see how women often react when I tell them to put the top down -- it's

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-22 Thread Thijs Lensselink
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 16:30:03 +0100, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 10:25 -0400, Daniel Brown wrote: Hey, Folks; Just a gentle reminder after watching things get worse by the day: it is one of the rules of this and all official php.net mailing

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-22 Thread Andy McKenzie
PHP is basically the only language I deal with any more - and it's the only language I -want- to deal with. I hate to see basic semantics such as top post you asshole scare off fresh blood and create a hostile or otherwise discriminatory environment. Keep PHP alive and well, at least until I

RE: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-22 Thread Jay Blanchard
[snip] really makes me question remaining a member...it's been a close thing a few times in the last week. [/snip] $door = new door(large, heavy, swift); $door-open(); $door-hitArse(); $door-close(); C'mon, the rudeness out weighs the good of this list? -- PHP General Mailing List

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-22 Thread Bastien Koert
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Jay Blanchard jblanch...@pocket.com wrote: [snip] really makes me question remaining a member...it's been a close thing a few times in the last week. [/snip] $door = new door(large, heavy, swift); $door-open(); $door-hitArse(); $door-close(); C'mon, the

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-22 Thread Andy McKenzie
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Jay Blanchard jblanch...@pocket.com wrote: [snip] really makes me question remaining a member...it's been a close thing a few times in the last week. [/snip] $door = new door(large, heavy, swift); $door-open(); $door-hitArse(); $door-close(); C'mon, the

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-22 Thread tedd
At 10:47 AM -0400 10/21/10, Daniel Brown wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:41, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote: I can't speak for everyone here (or who is no longer here)... but my posts have dwindled significantly due to work and family time constraints :| Same here, but

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-22 Thread tedd
At 12:24 PM -0400 10/21/10, Paul M Foster wrote: I dropped off a bit because I (rightfully) got boxed around when I made some incorrect statements regarding obscure HTML/PHP points. I thought, maybe I should shut up and just listen until I know more. Paul Paul: IMO, that's not a good reason

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-22 Thread tedd
At 6:05 PM +0100 10/21/10, Ashley Sheridan wrote: And thanks for remembering I'm a guy, been called a girl on this list more than once! :p Thanks, Ash You're not! :-) Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit:

RE: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-22 Thread tedd
At 3:01 PM -0500 10/21/10, Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] Orwellian! [/snip] Nazi's did it! Why? Top posting is bad! I read some place that the first one to mention Nazi's lose the argument. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-22 Thread tedd
At 4:54 PM -0400 10/21/10, Marc Guay wrote: Toilet seat. Up or down. Same thing? Sort of. No, everything down (seat and top) is the rule in my house. You should see how women often react when I tell them to put the top down -- it's like my dog hearing a high note. Cheers, tedd --

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-22 Thread Richard Quadling
On 22 October 2010 13:59, Andy McKenzie amckenz...@gmail.com wrote: There are already a few people on the list whose posts I just glance at to see if there's code, and skip if there's not. ?php echo 'Have I been skipped?', PHP_EOL; ? -- Richard Quadling Twitter : EE : Zend @RQuadling :

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-22 Thread Richard Quadling
On 22 October 2010 17:35, tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote: At 3:01 PM -0500 10/21/10, Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] Orwellian! [/snip] Nazi's did it! Why? Top posting is bad! I read some place that the first one to mention Nazi's lose the argument.

RE: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-22 Thread Jay Blanchard
[snip] I read some place that the first one to mention Nazi's lose the argument. [/snip] Nah, it is just proof of, as mentioned before, Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit:

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-22 Thread Bastien Koert
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Jay Blanchard jblanch...@pocket.com wrote: [snip] I read some place that the first one to mention Nazi's lose the argument. [/snip] Nah, it is just proof of, as mentioned before, Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law) -- PHP General

[PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Daniel Brown
Hey, Folks; Just a gentle reminder after watching things get worse by the day: it is one of the rules of this and all official php.net mailing lists that you must not top-post. For anyone wondering just one of the reasons why we have this rule in effect, tab through this thread in

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 10:25 -0400, Daniel Brown wrote: Hey, Folks; Just a gentle reminder after watching things get worse by the day: it is one of the rules of this and all official php.net mailing lists that you must not top-post. For anyone wondering just one of the reasons why

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Bastien Koert
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 10:25 -0400, Daniel Brown wrote: Hey, Folks;     Just a gentle reminder after watching things get worse by the day: it is one of the rules of this and all official php.net mailing lists

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Daniel Brown
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:30, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: I always bottom post when I'm replying from my computer, but when on the move or at work, I'm only left with my Android, and the default email client doesn't allow reply positioning of any sort, so it's always

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 10:37 -0400, Daniel Brown wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:30, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: I always bottom post when I'm replying from my computer, but when on the move or at work, I'm only left with my Android, and the default email client

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Daniel Brown
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:34, Bastien Koert phps...@gmail.com wrote: iphone has the same problem. Cutting and pasting is the only way that i have of dealing with it...and I do try to accommodate that when i can I wonder if we have any lurking iPhone and/or Android app developers here who

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Robert Cummings
On 10-10-21 10:25 AM, Daniel Brown wrote: P.S. - Those of you who have been around for years will likely recall with some fondness the level of respect, participation, and quality of discussions this list once had; the degree of mutual respect and camaraderie was palpable. If you're

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Daniel Brown
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:41, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote: I can't speak for everyone here (or who is no longer here)... but my posts have dwindled significantly due to work and family time constraints :| Same here, but isn't it a bit eerie that many of us hit that same

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Bastien Koert
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:41, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote: I can't speak for everyone here (or who is no longer here)... but my posts have dwindled significantly due to work and family time constraints :|  

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Richard Quadling
On 21 October 2010 15:53, Bastien Koert phps...@gmail.com wrote: Parenting ruins everything ;-) Ideally, yes. -- Richard Quadling Twitter : EE : Zend @RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit:

RE: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Jay Blanchard
[snip] . [/snip] Fondly remembers mailing list guidelines that used to go out about once a week when someone would send them, including the section that said something to the effect of; Why? Top posting is bad! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit:

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Paul M Foster
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 04:30:03PM +0100, Ashley Sheridan wrote: [snip] I always bottom post when I'm replying from my computer, but when on the move or at work, I'm only left with my Android, and the default email client doesn't allow reply positioning of any sort, so it's always

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Jason Pruim
On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:47 AM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:41, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote: I can't speak for everyone here (or who is no longer here)... but my posts have dwindled significantly due to work and family time constraints :|

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:41, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote: I can't speak for everyone here (or who is no longer here)... but my posts have dwindled significantly due to work and family time constraints

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Paul M Foster
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:47:53AM -0400, Daniel Brown wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:41, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote: I can't speak for everyone here (or who is no longer here)... but my posts have dwindled significantly due to work and family time constraints :|

RE: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Jay Blanchard
[snip] I still hop on threads from time to time, just a lot more picky about which ones any more. ducks [/snip] I seem to go through phases, but I always read. I had gotten away from everyday coding due to work needs (leading a team of PHP'ers) but have always tried to keep learning. I may have

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Paul M Foster
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 09:37:16AM -0600, Nathan Nobbe wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:41, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote: I can't speak for everyone here (or who is no longer here)... but my posts

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 11:58 -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 04:30:03PM +0100, Ashley Sheridan wrote: [snip] I always bottom post when I'm replying from my computer, but when on the move or at work, I'm only left with my Android, and the default email client

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 12:14 -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:47:53AM -0400, Daniel Brown wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:41, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote: I can't speak for everyone here (or who is no longer here)... but my posts have dwindled

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread sueandant
- Original Message - From: Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net To: PHP General php-general@lists.php.net Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 3:25 PM Subject: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules Hey, Folks; Just a gentle reminder after watching things get worse by the day: it is one

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Larry Martell
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:37 PM, sueandant hollandsath...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Hi I'm not familiatr with the term top-post; could you please explain? http://idallen.com/topposting.html -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Peter Lind
On 21 October 2010 16:25, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote: * snip *    The ultimate goal here isn't to start a flame war (or even any further discussion on the subject for that matter), but to point out that this is a RULE of the official community here, not a PREFERENCE. If only the

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Daniel Brown
This is top-posting. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 15:37, sueandant hollandsath...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I'm not familiatr with the term top-post; could you please explain? What you did, posting your message at the end of the email, is in adherence with the rules. -- /Daniel P. Brown

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Per Jessen
sueandant wrote: Hi I'm not familiatr with the term top-post; could you please explain? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=top-post -- Per Jessen, Zürich (3.7°C) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Shreyas Agasthya
Let's adhere to the rules. --Shreyas On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:15 AM, Per Jessen p...@computer.org wrote: sueandant wrote: Hi I'm not familiatr with the term top-post; could you please explain? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=top-post -- Per Jessen, Zürich (3.7°C) -- PHP General Mailing

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Michael Shadle
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Larry Martell la...@software-horizons.com wrote: http://idallen.com/topposting.html top posting is no big IMHO. in fact, it's easier to read on mobile devices such as an iphone. it's also easier to reply. email clients like google will hide the common lines

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Michael Shadle mike...@gmail.com wrote: in fact, it's easier to read on mobile devices such as an iphone. it's also easier to reply. email clients like google will hide the common lines anyway. to me this comes on the heels of a presentation i just read

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Alexis
Ok, I agree with most of those points, but why should I, or anyone, have to trim down someone else's 'signature', and I'm talking about these silly ones which are 10 or 20 lines long stating 'If you have received this email in error.blah, blah, blah'..surely, the banning of that, along

RE: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Jay Blanchard
[snip] Orwellian! [/snip] Nazi's did it! Why? Top posting is bad! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Richard Quadling
On 21 October 2010 21:01, Jay Blanchard jblanch...@pocket.com wrote: [snip] Orwellian! [/snip] Nazi's did it! !Godwin! -- Richard Quadling Twitter : EE : Zend @RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit:

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Michael Shadle
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Nathan Nobbe quickshif...@gmail.com wrote: um, right, the whole point is that the conversations are not being viewed through mail clients when people are finding them via search engines on the web. and some mail clients are dumber than others, lol. a lot of

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Michael Shadle mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Nathan Nobbe quickshif...@gmail.com wrote: um, right, the whole point is that the conversations are not being viewed through mail clients when people are finding them via search

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Michael Shadle
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Nathan Nobbe quickshif...@gmail.com wrote: what does syntax highlighting have to do w/ a mess of text that could be sorted out by folks willing to take the extra 2 seconds to put their thoughts at the bottom of a mail? i doubt there are any web-based lists

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Bastien Koert
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Michael Shadle mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Nathan Nobbe quickshif...@gmail.com wrote: what does syntax highlighting have to do w/ a mess of text that could be sorted out by folks willing to take the extra 2 seconds to put their

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Marc Guay
Toilet seat. Up or down. Same thing? Sort of. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Michael Shadle mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Nathan Nobbe quickshif...@gmail.com wrote: what does syntax highlighting have to do w/ a mess of text that could be sorted out by folks willing to take the extra 2 seconds to put their

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Michael Shadle
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Nathan Nobbe quickshif...@gmail.com wrote: i've found top-posting to be useful in the corporate environment where the people i'm working with are too ignorant to understand the rationale.  however, when you're working with programmers, i think the expectation

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Nathan Nobbe
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Michael Shadle mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Nathan Nobbe quickshif...@gmail.com wrote: i've found top-posting to be useful in the corporate environment where the people i'm working with are too ignorant to understand the

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Daniel Brown
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 18:24, Michael Shadle mike...@gmail.com wrote: note, that i take the time to bottom-post and clean up emails when i have time, but if i don't, i don't. people discuss things for discussion, they don't discuss things because they care how it is placed. that's like

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Bastien
On 2010-10-21, at 6:24 PM, Michael Shadle mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Nathan Nobbe quickshif...@gmail.com wrote: i've found top-posting to be useful in the corporate environment where the people i'm working with are too ignorant to understand the rationale.

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Michael Shadle
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Daniel Brown danbr...@php.net wrote:    Unfortunately, Michael, while I appreciate your analogy (rarely is something well-balanced between wit, truth, and vivid imagery enough to make me laugh at the mental picture), I must point out that, in this case, you're

Re: [PHP] Reminder On Mailing List Rules

2010-10-21 Thread Daniel Brown
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 19:18, Michael Shadle mike...@gmail.com wrote: Don't let it die like Perl has! (ha, ha) ?php $perl ='PERL' #!/usr/bin/perl my $pun = $?; die Great pun! unless $pun = 0; PERL; $filename = dirname(__FILE__).'/tmp-'.sha1(time()).'.pl'; file_put_contents($filename,$perl);