Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-25 Thread George Whiffen
Zeev, If you find that GUI tools are not overwhelmingly better for C++, Java product development, that does weaken the case for php studios even more. Why so? 1. Conciseness of php php is a high level application development tool so the code is, or at least, should mostly consist of highly

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-18 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 05:02 18/02/2002, Peter J. Schoenster wrote: Well, as you said, no point in arguing. Just that I think if someone really wants to develop they should learn some better tools than a GUI but it's a question of balance. That's quite an arguable point. I don't code PHP but C++ and Java, and I

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-18 Thread Zeev Suraski
Chris, Stability improved *a lot* since the beta in December. Remember, it *was* a beta release, and like most betas, stability was not perfect. It's quite good now, and it also got a whole new (well, mostly new) code completion engine which is really revolutionary for PHP. I'm not

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-18 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 00:27 18/02/2002, robert janeczek wrote: hi i write in php about 1.5 years. from the beginning i use macromedia homesite and i`m quite content of it. but...debugger, environment not optimized for php developers etc. so i wanted to try zend studio, i downloaded it, installed (w2k, i already had

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-18 Thread DL Neil
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 February 2002 15:57 Subject: Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0 Chris, Stability improved *a lot* since the beta in December. Remember, it *was* a beta release, and like most betas, stability was not perfect. It's quite good now, and it also got a whole

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-18 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 19:53 18/02/2002, DL Neil wrote: Zeev, Didn't experience any stability problems with the beta per-se, but using a Windows box was an exercise in Unix-ification. Has the released version for Win32 seen significant alterations to the GUI? I'm not sure which beta you've seen, but the GUI is

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-18 Thread robert janeczek
The problems you were having with the server components of the studio sound quite odd - can you elaborate on them? (probably off-list, it's best if you could submit a bug report about it through zend.com/store/pickup.php, evaluation support). This is water under the bridge now, but you

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-18 Thread Scott
FYI- My two cents. I have been running the demo version since a day or two after it was released. On Windows 2000 it has been solid as a rock. I have not tried it on my XP laptop yet, but will soon. Zend Studio is really helping to make PHP 'legitimate' in the corporate world since it

[PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-17 Thread robert janeczek
hi i write in php about 1.5 years. from the beginning i use macromedia homesite and i`m quite content of it. but...debugger, environment not optimized for php developers etc. so i wanted to try zend studio, i downloaded it, installed (w2k, i already had an apache, so i deleted what came with

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-17 Thread Peter J. Schoenster
On at , Unknown wrote: i write in php about 1.5 years. from the beginning i use macromedia homesite and i`m quite content of it. but...debugger, environment not optimized for php developers etc. so i wanted to try zend studio, i i`ve read this

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-17 Thread robert janeczek
Well I was hoping that article was interesting. It wasn't. I should have known when I saw the use of homesite as an alternative. sure, it was just simple look at zend studio, but it made me wonder why the tool didn`t work on my system :) [yes - i think i know what was wrong, no need to look

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-17 Thread Chris Lott
I hope we aren't going to get another chest-pounding real coders type of argument going here. Homesite *IS* a text editor. It provides an amazing number of shortcuts to tasks, including mouse-based tasks, many of which I guarantee you I can get done faster with a mouse than anyone can typing. It

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-17 Thread Peter J. Schoenster
On 17 Feb 2002, at 16:12, Chris Lott wrote: I hope we aren't going to get another chest-pounding real coders type of argument going here. Homesite *IS* a text editor. It provides Yeah, my bad. an amazing number of shortcuts to tasks, including mouse-based tasks, many of which I guarantee

Re: [PHP] zend studio 2.0

2002-02-17 Thread Chris Lott
Well, as you said, no point in arguing. Just that I think if someone really wants to develop they should learn some better tools than a GUI but it's a question of balance. I think a definition of GUI might be in order. Homesite, for instance, is just a big text editor. It has almost no GUI