RE: [PHP] Built-in Debugging
I have to disagree, while Exception handling and the like have their place. Sometimes when you develop you want to stop execution and look at your memory stack to make sure you didn't over look something. Especially if you are relying on someone else code and it's not a project owned 100% by you. Just my thoughts, they have their place I use PhpEd, because it facilitates this nicely and it VERY customizable from a short hand perspective. -Original Message- From: Ashley Sheridan [mailto:a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:05 AM To: Al Cc: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Built-in Debugging On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 09:04 -0400, Al wrote: > > Bob McConnell wrote: > > From: Raymond Irving > > > >> Will be ever see built-in debugging features for PHP? > > > > I do not expect there would be. Debuggers are more likely to be > > provided by the IDE. For example, in MS-Windows, Visual Studio is > > the IDE and can include any of several compilers. It also includes > > the debugger, and uses the same front end for all languages. Of > > course, Microsoft has it much easier since they only support one > > hardware platform (x86) and one OS. Unlike the rest of the world > > where tools are more likely to be portable. > > > > For an IDE with debug capabilities, try NetBeans. I am sure there > > are others, but that is the only one I have actually looked at. > > > > Bob McConnell > > phpEdit, a super IDE, has an extensive suite of integrated debug tools. > Real coders don't use debugging tools, comments and output statements are all you need ;) Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.20/2440 - Release Date: 10/16/09 06:32:00 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Built-in Debugging
Al wrote: Ashley Sheridan wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 09:04 -0400, Al wrote: Bob McConnell wrote: From: Raymond Irving Will be ever see built-in debugging features for PHP? I do not expect there would be. Debuggers are more likely to be provided by the IDE. For example, in MS-Windows, Visual Studio is the IDE and can include any of several compilers. It also includes the debugger, and uses the same front end for all languages. Of course, Microsoft has it much easier since they only support one hardware platform (x86) and one OS. Unlike the rest of the world where tools are more likely to be portable. For an IDE with debug capabilities, try NetBeans. I am sure there are others, but that is the only one I have actually looked at. Bob McConnell phpEdit, a super IDE, has an extensive suite of integrated debug tools. Real coders don't use debugging tools, comments and output statements are all you need ;) Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk I agree with you and that's why I said in my first message "Personally, I've found that turning on "error_reporting(E_ALL)", debug_backtrace() and debug_print_backtrace() quite adequate for most situations." In fact, I don't recall even using debug_backtrace() and debug_print_backtrace() in the last couple of years. I script very robust code and it catches damn near all errors itself. I find having a custom error handler that uses debug_backtrace() to produce a limited stack trace very useful for finding errors sometimes. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Built-in Debugging
From: Ashley Sheridan > On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 09:04 -0400, Al wrote: >> Bob McConnell wrote: >> > From: Raymond Irving >> > >> >> Will be ever see built-in debugging features for PHP? >> > >> > I do not expect there would be. Debuggers are more likely to be provided >> > by the IDE. For example, in MS-Windows, Visual Studio is the IDE and can >> > include any of several compilers. It also includes the debugger, and >> > uses the same front end for all languages. Of course, Microsoft has it >> > much easier since they only support one hardware platform (x86) and one >> > OS. Unlike the rest of the world where tools are more likely to be >> > portable. >> > >> > For an IDE with debug capabilities, try NetBeans. I am sure there are >> > others, but that is the only one I have actually looked at. >> > >> > Bob McConnell >> >> phpEdit, a super IDE, has an extensive suite of integrated debug tools. >> > > Real coders don't use debugging tools, comments and output statements > are all you need ;) > > Thanks, > Ash No, we simply use debug or ddt to insert machine code directly into memory. But that tends to get tedious very quickly, so experimenting with other options is one way to relieve the boredom. Bob McConnell -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Built-in Debugging
Ashley Sheridan wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 09:04 -0400, Al wrote: Bob McConnell wrote: From: Raymond Irving Will be ever see built-in debugging features for PHP? I do not expect there would be. Debuggers are more likely to be provided by the IDE. For example, in MS-Windows, Visual Studio is the IDE and can include any of several compilers. It also includes the debugger, and uses the same front end for all languages. Of course, Microsoft has it much easier since they only support one hardware platform (x86) and one OS. Unlike the rest of the world where tools are more likely to be portable. For an IDE with debug capabilities, try NetBeans. I am sure there are others, but that is the only one I have actually looked at. Bob McConnell phpEdit, a super IDE, has an extensive suite of integrated debug tools. Real coders don't use debugging tools, comments and output statements are all you need ;) Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk I agree with you and that's why I said in my first message "Personally, I've found that turning on "error_reporting(E_ALL)", debug_backtrace() and debug_print_backtrace() quite adequate for most situations." In fact, I don't recall even using debug_backtrace() and debug_print_backtrace() in the last couple of years. I script very robust code and it catches damn near all errors itself. Al... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Built-in Debugging
On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 09:04 -0400, Al wrote: > > Bob McConnell wrote: > > From: Raymond Irving > > > >> Will be ever see built-in debugging features for PHP? > > > > I do not expect there would be. Debuggers are more likely to be provided > > by the IDE. For example, in MS-Windows, Visual Studio is the IDE and can > > include any of several compilers. It also includes the debugger, and > > uses the same front end for all languages. Of course, Microsoft has it > > much easier since they only support one hardware platform (x86) and one > > OS. Unlike the rest of the world where tools are more likely to be > > portable. > > > > For an IDE with debug capabilities, try NetBeans. I am sure there are > > others, but that is the only one I have actually looked at. > > > > Bob McConnell > > phpEdit, a super IDE, has an extensive suite of integrated debug tools. > Real coders don't use debugging tools, comments and output statements are all you need ;) Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Built-in Debugging
Bob McConnell wrote: From: Raymond Irving Will be ever see built-in debugging features for PHP? I do not expect there would be. Debuggers are more likely to be provided by the IDE. For example, in MS-Windows, Visual Studio is the IDE and can include any of several compilers. It also includes the debugger, and uses the same front end for all languages. Of course, Microsoft has it much easier since they only support one hardware platform (x86) and one OS. Unlike the rest of the world where tools are more likely to be portable. For an IDE with debug capabilities, try NetBeans. I am sure there are others, but that is the only one I have actually looked at. Bob McConnell phpEdit, a super IDE, has an extensive suite of integrated debug tools. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Built-in Debugging
From: Raymond Irving > Will be ever see built-in debugging features for PHP? I do not expect there would be. Debuggers are more likely to be provided by the IDE. For example, in MS-Windows, Visual Studio is the IDE and can include any of several compilers. It also includes the debugger, and uses the same front end for all languages. Of course, Microsoft has it much easier since they only support one hardware platform (x86) and one OS. Unlike the rest of the world where tools are more likely to be portable. For an IDE with debug capabilities, try NetBeans. I am sure there are others, but that is the only one I have actually looked at. Bob McConnell -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Built-in Debugging
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> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:39:14 -0700
> From: xwis...@yahoo.com
> To: php-general@lists.php.net
> Subject: [PHP] Built-in Debugging
>
> Hello,
>
> Will be ever see built-in debugging features for PHP?
>
> I know there's xdebug but it's sometimes difficult to get it working. I'm
> hoping that PHP will one day have integrated debugging features that can be
> easily enabled or disabled:
>
>
> enable_debug(true);
> debug_console("Hello world!'); // sends an output to the console of the
> debugger.
>
>
> ?>
>
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