RE: [PHP] keeping my code!

2001-11-14 Thread Richard Black

Theres the Zend Encoder, but this is a bit pricey if you don't have a 
company to pay for it. Don't know if theres any free alternatives or not

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From:   Ye Tun [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   14 November 2001 11:39
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Subject:[PHP] keeping my code!

Hi all,

I am not sure if this is the right list to ask.  But I am wondering if I
can keep my php code from Server Administrator of the web server I am
putting my code on?   Is there anyway I can encrypt or do something so that 
the server admin can't look at my code.

REgards,

Ye



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Re: [PHP] keeping my code!

2001-11-14 Thread Michael A. Peters

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:38:48 +0700
Ye Tun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I am not sure if this is the right list to ask.  But I am wondering if I 
 can keep my php code from Server Administrator of the web server I am 
 putting my code on?   Is there anyway I can encrypt or do something so that 
 the server admin can't look at my code.
 
 REgards,
 
 Ye
 

ZendEncoder works really really well.
It's not free- but hey, those guys have given us a lot already.

The server _must_ be running the ZendOptimizer or it won't work.

I recommend getting the ZendEncoder (assuming it has been ported to your
devel platform- last time I checked, it hadn't yet been ported to OS X or
PPC Linux- but it has been ported to the major x86 distro's)

ZendEncoder solves a lot of problem.
When you code, that's your value :)

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Re: [PHP] keeping my code! Why?

2001-11-14 Thread George Whiffen

Zend encoder is probably your best option.

But why do you want to hide your php code from your Server Admin?

1. If you can't trust your Server Administrator you've got big
problems.  Change your hosting!

2. Are you sure your code is so valuable?  Developers always 
seem to greatly overestimate the value of their code to anyone
else.  There's loads of really great php freely available out 
there to handle almost any general task.  A lot of effort goes 
into publicising it yet it's still hard to get anyone interested 
in looking at it, let alone using it.

3. Is the php code really what you need to protect?  My
experience is that most of the difficult parts of an application
are embedded in the data structures, the functionality and
the presentation, not the php code.  Any idiot can develop php
code if they know exactly what it has to do (and that it can
be done...)

4. If you're worried about your customer simply keeping the code
and not paying you, my advice is to give up.  If someone wants to
rip you off they probably will.  You'll do yourself just as much
good by taking the simple step of asserting your copyright and
being ready to go to court if they don't pay and still use the
software.  You'll be lucky to win, but at least it'll be clear
who is ripping off who.

5. I hope your real interest is not just to lock your users/
customers into using you for all maintenance work.  If so
my advice is to stop using Open Source products such as php
and switch to proprietary products.  The proprietary world
has been living for years off customer lock-in and has all
the techniques to help you get your share of the rip-off as
long as you're on their side.  If you stick with Open source, you
get none of that business support/price umbrella and your 
customers are much more likely to come up with embarrassing 
questions like: Why are you fleecing us?

In general, if you think your old code is an asset and you're just 
protecting it, think again.  All code is obsolete before it's
finished.  It's only your skills/experience that really matter 
and the best way to protect them is to share your work and learn 
from others.

Good Luck,


George

Michael A. Peters wrote:
 
 On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:38:48 +0700
 Ye Tun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi all,
 
  I am not sure if this is the right list to ask.  But I am wondering if I
  can keep my php code from Server Administrator of the web server I am
  putting my code on?   Is there anyway I can encrypt or do something so that
  the server admin can't look at my code.
 
  REgards,
 
  Ye
 
 
 ZendEncoder works really really well.
 It's not free- but hey, those guys have given us a lot already.
 
 The server _must_ be running the ZendOptimizer or it won't work.
 
 I recommend getting the ZendEncoder (assuming it has been ported to your
 devel platform- last time I checked, it hadn't yet been ported to OS X or
 PPC Linux- but it has been ported to the major x86 distro's)
 
 ZendEncoder solves a lot of problem.
 When you code, that's your value :)
 
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Re: [PHP] keeping my code! Why?

2001-11-14 Thread mweb


 In general, if you think your old code is an asset and you're just
 protecting it, think again.  All code is obsolete before it's
 finished.  It's only your skills/experience that really matter
 and the best way to protect them is to share your work and learn
 from others.


PERFECT ANSWER, George. Both this last paragraph and all the rest before
it. I was going to make the same comments, but it's not needed now.

An all your message should be tattoed on the faces of the idiots that,
instead of posting job offers for webmasters able to set up highly
dynamic sites with the lowest expenses in HW and SW tools specify
that they will only accept candidates with knowledge of this or that
proprietary, expensive and generally screwed tool/IDE.

mweb


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