Re: [PHP] This is the kind of [expletives deleted] answer that is certain to prevent bugs being reported.

2009-07-26 Thread Per Jessen
Robert Cummings wrote: Don't forget nobody is being paid to handle bug reports, it's all on a volunteer basis and I'm quite certain they get oodles of real bogus bugs. Hi Robert it's a two-way thing - nobody is paying me to write any bug reports, I'm also volunteering my time and effort. Not

Re: [PHP] This is the kind of [expletives deleted] answer that is certain to prevent bugs being reported.

2009-07-24 Thread Kyle Smith
Per Jessen wrote: See http://bugs.php.net/?id=48612 Thank you for taking the time to write to us, but this is not a bug. And RTFM. (RTFM is my interpretation of the rest). And that only took a little more than a month. Thanks very much. Can anyone here tell me why the CLI behaviour reported

Re: [PHP] This is the kind of [expletives deleted] answer that is certain to prevent bugs being reported.

2009-07-24 Thread Per Jessen
Kyle Smith wrote: Per Jessen wrote: See http://bugs.php.net/?id=48612 Thank you for taking the time to write to us, but this is not a bug. And RTFM. (RTFM is my interpretation of the rest). And that only took a little more than a month. Thanks very much. Can anyone here tell me why the

Re: [PHP] This is the kind of [expletives deleted] answer that is certain to prevent bugs being reported.

2009-07-24 Thread Kyle Smith
Per Jessen wrote: Kyle Smith wrote: Per Jessen wrote: See http://bugs.php.net/?id=48612 Thank you for taking the time to write to us, but this is not a bug. And RTFM. (RTFM is my interpretation of the rest). And that only took a little more than a month. Thanks very much. Can

Re: [PHP] This is the kind of [expletives deleted] answer that is certain to prevent bugs being reported.

2009-07-24 Thread Jim Lucas
Kyle Smith wrote: Per Jessen wrote: Kyle Smith wrote: Per Jessen wrote: See http://bugs.php.net/?id=48612 Thank you for taking the time to write to us, but this is not a bug. And RTFM. (RTFM is my interpretation of the rest). And that only took a little more than a month. Thanks

Re: [PHP] This is the kind of [expletives deleted] answer that is certain to prevent bugs being reported.

2009-07-24 Thread Per Jessen
Kyle Smith wrote: I don't think your aggressive attitude to the situation is helping anyone here. The manual *explicitly* states that using setlocale(LC_xyz,'') will use the environment variable setting for that LC_xyz option. This *implies* that, by default, those environment variables

Re: [PHP] This is the kind of [expletives deleted] answer that is certain to prevent bugs being reported.

2009-07-24 Thread Kyle Smith
Jim Lucas wrote: Kyle Smith wrote: Per Jessen wrote: Kyle Smith wrote: Per Jessen wrote: See http://bugs.php.net/?id=48612 Thank you for taking the time to write to us, but this is not a bug. And RTFM. (RTFM is my interpretation of the rest). And that only

Re: [PHP] This is the kind of [expletives deleted] answer that is certain to prevent bugs being reported.

2009-07-24 Thread Per Jessen
Jim Lucas wrote: From what I can tell, the op is trying to set the locale /AT/ the cli, not from within the script. Exactly Jim. A typical Linux installation in France/Germany/Greece/ Russia/whereever will have an appropriate environment (e.g. LC_ALL) set such that unix commands such as date

Re: [PHP] This is the kind of [expletives deleted] answer that is certain to prevent bugs being reported.

2009-07-24 Thread Ben Dunlap
Per Jessen wrote: Which is exactly the bug I reported. An application that deliberately ignores the locale setting passed from the environment is buggy unless it is clearly documented. Why should a developer be forced to be aware of the locale when it has already been done for him? That is

Re: [PHP] This is the kind of [expletives deleted] answer that is certain to prevent bugs being reported.

2009-07-24 Thread Daniel Brown
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 13:18, Per Jessenp...@computer.org wrote: As for being aggressive - well, being fobbed off with an RTFM when 1) I've spent some time and effort in testing, documenting and reporting the bug, and 2) the behaviour is at best undocumented, well, yes, it p.. me off.

Re: [PHP] This is the kind of [expletives deleted] answer that is certain to prevent bugs being reported.

2009-07-24 Thread Per Jessen
Ben Dunlap wrote: Per Jessen wrote: Which is exactly the bug I reported. An application that deliberately ignores the locale setting passed from the environment is buggy unless it is clearly documented. Why should a developer be forced to be aware of the locale when it has already been

Re: [PHP] This is the kind of [expletives deleted] answer that is certain to prevent bugs being reported.

2009-07-24 Thread Per Jessen
Daniel Brown wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 13:18, Per Jessenp...@computer.org wrote: As for being aggressive - well, being fobbed off with an RTFM when 1) I've spent some time and effort in testing, documenting and reporting the bug, and 2) the behaviour is at best undocumented, well,

Re: [PHP] This is the kind of [expletives deleted] answer that is certain to prevent bugs being reported.

2009-07-24 Thread Daniel Brown
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 15:25, Per Jessenp...@computer.org wrote: Daniel Brown wrote:     In reality, those are canned responses.  Jani didn't type that up himself, he just selected it from a drop-down that we have. In all honesty, that only makes it worse.  To make an effort to improve on

Re: [PHP] This is the kind of [expletives deleted] answer that is certain to prevent bugs being reported.

2009-07-24 Thread Per Jessen
Daniel Brown wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 15:25, Per Jessenp...@computer.org wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: In reality, those are canned responses.  Jani didn't type that up himself, he just selected it from a drop-down that we have. In all honesty, that only makes it worse.  To make an

Re: [PHP] This is the kind of [expletives deleted] answer that is certain to prevent bugs being reported.

2009-07-24 Thread Robert Cummings
Per Jessen wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 15:25, Per Jessenp...@computer.org wrote: Daniel Brown wrote: In reality, those are canned responses. Jani didn't type that up himself, he just selected it from a drop-down that we have. In all honesty, that only makes it worse.