Re: [PHP] Friday's Post
On Oct 1, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Paul M Foster wrote: > I'll be politically incorrect and say that it's evil. It's funny you should say that because years ago I did a short video called "PHP Commando". PHP Commando was battling the evil forces of Dr. Dot Net and his sidekick, Macro Mae. Leave it to me to do a parody of a parody! Take care, Floyd -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday's Post
On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 10:23:31AM -0400, tedd wrote: > Hi gang: > > What do you people think of the .NET framework? > > Please provide your thoughts as to cost, maintenance, benefit, and > whatever else you think important. I'll be politically incorrect and say that it's evil. Microsoft is a well-documented monopolist corporation which typically either steals or buys most of the "original" technologies it issues. (I just saw a video where a guy bemoaned all the advertising Microsoft did for Windows 7. Many, many of the "amazing" features of Window 7 have existed for years in Linux and MacOS. And as far as I know, they still don't have what Linuxers would call desktops and MacOS would call workspaces or spaces.) It's also a *corporation*, which means hitching your wagon to them is a liability. Just ask users of PageMaker, MySQL, OpenOffice, etc. PageMaker languishes in Adobe's hands now. MySQL users (and its original developer) are still waiting for the next shoe to drop from Oracle. Major Open Office developers have now forked OOo, because of whatever Oracle is doing/going to do with the programs. As an example, I recently went on an interview with my old boss, who, when I worked for him, did FoxPro development on a widely used accounting package. That accounting package was bought by a couple of corporations in the last few years, and now languishes. Further, Microsoft recently announced the "end of life" for FoxPro, the language it was written in. Goodbye to a whole industry of users and developers who based their business on a language and software owned by corporations who simply have no time for them any more. My old boss spent months searching for a comparable and comparably-priced accounting package to take up the slack in his business. To .NET specifically, the framework was originally built on Java 1.4, according to an acquaintance who knows much more about Microsoft internally than I do. After a dispute with Sun over co-development of Java, Microsoft went "not invented here" and created its own version of the platform. .Net is heavy and expensive, as detailed elsewhere. I realize there are often economic issues involved, but let me reiterate that I strongly advocate against using any language owned by a corporation (like C#). I feel the same way about storing documents in .doc format. We all know the version-to-version incompatibilities with .doc format. But Microsoft can do anything they like with it; it belongs to them. Paul -- Paul M. Foster -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday's Post
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:23 AM, tedd wrote: > Hi gang: > > What do you people think of the .NET framework? > > Please provide your thoughts as to cost, maintenance, benefit, and whatever > else you think important. > > Thanks, > > tedd > -- > --- > http://sperling.com/ > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > Powerful. Developers typically have to maintain a subscription to MSDN to be particularly effective, however the toolset is very polished. Additional costs come into play if you're using ASP.Net, as the servers require licenses, too. However ASP.Net MVC represents a significant upgrade over webforms ASP.Net (I've been developing websites using ASP.Net since version 1, and I can't begin to count the number of times the markup and postback model drove me nuts in the webforms version), and I'd have no problem using ASP.Net MVC for most any web application. Additionally, I use Rackspace Cloud for hosting, and it's pretty easy and cheap to spin up a Windows server when needed. The .Net technologies all integrate very nicely. For example, while the new mobile OS is really late to the party (I'm not sure it will be able to compete with Android and the iPhone), I can develop software for it using technologies which would seem very familiar to any web or desktop application developer. I particularly appreciate F#, a functional language that looks a lot like OCaml with a few .Net-centric additions, although C# has made some very nice improvements that bring functional programming techniques to it language, too. That all said, I still use PHP for most of my web projects. Why? PHP is fast, well-supported, cheap, and I like the community, although some projects do seem to benefit from .Net (e.g., if web services are interacting with a desktop app, it's easier to just build the whole thing using .Net technologies.) I could see the day when anything I would normally do in Flash is switched over to Silverlight. I just find it a better conceived development environment for RIA than Flash. Adam -- Nephtali: PHP web framework that functions beautifully http://nephtaliproject.com
RE: [PHP] Friday's Post (WOT)
[snip] What do you people think of the .NET framework? [/snip] I am not a fan. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday's Post
On 10-10-01 10:23 AM, tedd wrote: Hi gang: What do you people think of the .NET framework? Please provide your thoughts as to cost, maintenance, benefit, and whatever else you think important. Until you posted this... I didn't... bah! Cheers, Rob. >:) -- E-Mail Disclaimer: Information contained in this message and any attached documents is considered confidential and legally protected. This message is intended solely for the addressee(s). Disclosure, copying, and distribution are prohibited unless authorized. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
