Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
2009/10/16 Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com: It's called vacation away from the 'net but there is an emergency. I'm certain that a fair portion of the list is familiar with that! I haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about. Vacation? Away from the net? We must be from different planets... How to do you vacation from something implanted into your brain? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100802/ -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Surely Johnny Moronic would have been a better example? -- - Richard Quadling Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants! EE : http://www.experts-exchange.com/M_248814.html Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498r=213474731 ZOPA : http://uk.zopa.com/member/RQuadling -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
2009/10/16 Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com: How would you read this out loud if you were to read it to someone over the phone? ($item-getServiceId() ? $item-getServiceId() : $item-getId(; Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php I would optimize this though. ($item-getServiceId() || $item-getId()) Unless you REALLY need to call $item-getServiceId() twice. So, this should be a little easier to say. -- - Richard Quadling Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants! EE : http://www.experts-exchange.com/M_248814.html Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498r=213474731 ZOPA : http://uk.zopa.com/member/RQuadling -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
Dotan Cohen wrote on 2009-10-23 22:40: But I think for the OP's purposes, he could simply DEFINE any word he wanted at the beginning of the conversation: Listen up duder. When I say 'de-ref' you make hyphen and a greater-than sign. Capiche?. He could just as easily say, Listen up duder. When I say 'arrow-thingy' you make hyphen and a greater-than sign. Capiche? Problem solved. ;-) That is what was done, but I wanted to know if there was already some agreed-upon language. There is... It's called a Fax ;-) -- Kind regards Kim Emax - masterminds.dk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
There is... It's called a Fax ;-) Again, I am interested in knowing the proper terminology for PHP constructs and code. We have a name for a small sweer green fruit from the vine, and we have a name for the alcoholic beverage that is derived from it. Knowing these names helps one communicate verbally, even when one could simply fax a photo of a grape and a glass of wine. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
But I think for the OP's purposes, he could simply DEFINE any word he wanted at the beginning of the conversation: Listen up duder. When I say 'de-ref' you make hyphen and a greater-than sign. Capiche?. He could just as easily say, Listen up duder. When I say 'arrow-thingy' you make hyphen and a greater-than sign. Capiche? Problem solved. ;-) That is what was done, but I wanted to know if there was already some agreed-upon language. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
Open paren. Dollar-sign item de-ref getServiceID method. Question mark. Dollar-sign item de-ref getServiceID method again. Colon. Dollar-sign item de-ref getID method. Close up matching parenthesis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_%28computer_science%29 Thanks. The word Reference was what was missing, as was the term de-ref. I would also suggest s/he and I use a tool such as: http://snipt.org/oGg http://pastebin.com/m5b1d82b2 http://pastie.org/662703 http://gist.github.com/214652 For more real-time collaboration and sharing of code fragments. Widely used, but sometimes unavailable due to technological limitations. Daevid. Is your name related to David? I have never seen this spelling, and my interest in etymology is overwhelming. What is the origin of this name or spelling? Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
At 9:42 AM +0200 10/21/09, Dotan Cohen wrote: Open paren. Dollar-sign item de-ref getServiceID method. Question mark. Dollar-sign item de-ref getServiceID method again. Colon. Dollar-sign item de-ref getID method. Close up matching parenthesis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_%28computer_science%29 Thanks. The word Reference was what was missing, as was the term de-ref. Read a bit further down in the above link, namely the php link, which is: http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.variables.variable.php Using the term de-ref is not complete and could be misleading -- dereferencing a variable in php is simply $$var and not -var. The arrow operator ($a-$b) dereferences the element to its left and accesses the member to it's right. If you want an example in C it would be (*a).b While I was not able to find the official name for the operator, but it could be called an dereference access operator or the field access operator. HTH's tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
-Original Message- From: tedd [mailto:tedd.sperl...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:38 AM To: Dotan Cohen; Daevid Vincent Cc: php-general. Subject: Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone? At 9:42 AM +0200 10/21/09, Dotan Cohen wrote: Open paren. Dollar-sign item de-ref getServiceID method. Question mark. Dollar-sign item de-ref getServiceID method again. Colon. Dollar-sign item de-ref getID method. Close up matching parenthesis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_%28computer_science%29 Thanks. The word Reference was what was missing, as was the term de-ref. Read a bit further down in the above link, namely the php link, which is: http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.variables.variable.php Using the term de-ref is not complete and could be misleading -- dereferencing a variable in php is simply $$var and not -var. The arrow operator ($a-$b) dereferences the element to its left and accesses the member to it's right. If you want an example in C it would be (*a).b While I was not able to find the official name for the operator, but it could be called an dereference access operator or the field access operator. Well, if I were talking to a fellow PHPriend, I probalby wouldn't even use the word de-ref as I would assume that they would know (some basics in that) if I say, 'item's getServiceID method that 'item' is an object and therefore must be prefixed with a dollar sign ($) and that to make a 'getServiceID' method, it requires the - arrow as well as the ending parenthesis. But I think for the OP's purposes, he could simply DEFINE any word he wanted at the beginning of the conversation: Listen up duder. When I say 'de-ref' you make hyphen and a greater-than sign. Capiche?. He could just as easily say, Listen up duder. When I say 'arrow-thingy' you make hyphen and a greater-than sign. Capiche? Problem solved. ;-) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
-Original Message- From: Dotan Cohen [mailto:dotanco...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:46 AM To: php-general. Subject: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone? How would you read this out loud if you were to read it to someone over the phone? ($item-getServiceId() ? $item-getServiceId() : $item-getId(; Open paren. Dollar-sign item de-ref getServiceID method. Question mark. Dollar-sign item de-ref getServiceID method again. Colon. Dollar-sign item de-ref getID method. Close up matching parenthesis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_%28computer_science%29 I would also suggest s/he and I use a tool such as: http://snipt.org/oGg http://pastebin.com/m5b1d82b2 http://pastie.org/662703 http://gist.github.com/214652 For more real-time collaboration and sharing of code fragments. Daevid. http://daevid.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
At 4:15 AM +0200 10/17/09, Dotan Cohen wrote: This is a lot of posts to say either read it off character by character If there is a jargon for operators such as - I'd like to know them. Dotan Cohen As I said previously, it's called an operator. Of course you can call it whatever you want, such as arrow pointing right, pointy thing, or even blind evil grin. :-) Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
As for following a convention, just get the PHP terminology right, That is what I was hoping to learn! or at least agree on your on bastardized terminology. Because this may cause problems in the future. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 17:46 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: How would you read this out loud if you were to read it to someone over the phone? ($item-getServiceId() ? $item-getServiceId() : $item-getId(; Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il Wow! Here goes: Open-bracket, dollar item hypen greater-than, get service id, no all one word but with a capital S and I. Open and close brackets, question mark, dollar item again, then a hyphen and greater-than, that get service id and brackets bit again, exactly the same as last time; yes, capital S and I again. Colon, no the colon is the one with two dots, not dot and comma. Dollar item again, then hypen, greater-than, get id, with a capital I. Nope, no service bit this time. Now, open bracket and two closing brackets (I assumed the final two on your example were typos?!). now a semi-colon, yes the one with the comma. That's pretty much how I could foresee me telling someone this on the phone, but to be honest, I'd really prefer an email ;) Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
Wow! Here goes: Open-bracket, dollar item hypen greater-than, get service id, no all one word but with a capital S and I. Open and close brackets, question mark, dollar item again, then a hyphen and greater-than, that get service id and brackets bit again, exactly the same as last time; yes, capital S and I again. Colon, no the colon is the one with two dots, not dot and comma. Dollar item again, then hypen, greater-than, get id, with a capital I. Nope, no service bit this time. Now, open bracket and two closing brackets (I assumed the final two on your example were typos?!). now a semi-colon, yes the one with the comma. That's pretty much how I could foresee me telling someone this on the phone, but to be honest, I'd really prefer an email ;) So it really involves mentioning each character. I was hoping that there would be a shared language for constructs such as - and the like. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
open parenthesis $item getServiceId question symbol $item getServiceId colon $item getId close parenthesis How would you mention the - constructs? Certainly they are not assumed? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 18:01 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: Wow! Here goes: Open-bracket, dollar item hypen greater-than, get service id, no all one word but with a capital S and I. Open and close brackets, question mark, dollar item again, then a hyphen and greater-than, that get service id and brackets bit again, exactly the same as last time; yes, capital S and I again. Colon, no the colon is the one with two dots, not dot and comma. Dollar item again, then hypen, greater-than, get id, with a capital I. Nope, no service bit this time. Now, open bracket and two closing brackets (I assumed the final two on your example were typos?!). now a semi-colon, yes the one with the comma. That's pretty much how I could foresee me telling someone this on the phone, but to be honest, I'd really prefer an email ;) So it really involves mentioning each character. I was hoping that there would be a shared language for constructs such as - and the like. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il Not that I know of, and trying to explain any sort of code over the phone is just going to lead to a disaster down the line! Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
First ask him/her for an email address, and then while you are over the phone send the text by email. This way the other can *instantaneously* read and both of you can talk about the code. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.ukwrote: On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 18:01 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: Wow! Here goes: Open-bracket, dollar item hypen greater-than, get service id, no all one word but with a capital S and I. Open and close brackets, question mark, dollar item again, then a hyphen and greater-than, that get service id and brackets bit again, exactly the same as last time; yes, capital S and I again. Colon, no the colon is the one with two dots, not dot and comma. Dollar item again, then hypen, greater-than, get id, with a capital I. Nope, no service bit this time. Now, open bracket and two closing brackets (I assumed the final two on your example were typos?!). now a semi-colon, yes the one with the comma. That's pretty much how I could foresee me telling someone this on the phone, but to be honest, I'd really prefer an email ;) So it really involves mentioning each character. I was hoping that there would be a shared language for constructs such as - and the like. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il Not that I know of, and trying to explain any sort of code over the phone is just going to lead to a disaster down the line! Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk -- Martin Scotta
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
On 10/16/2009 9:31 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: Wow! Here goes: Open-bracket, dollar item hypen greater-than, get service id, no all one word but with a capital S and I. Open and close brackets, question mark, dollar item again, then a hyphen and greater-than, that get service id and brackets bit again, exactly the same as last time; yes, capital S and I again. Colon, no the colon is the one with two dots, not dot and comma. Dollar item again, then hypen, greater-than, get id, with a capital I. Nope, no service bit this time. Now, open bracket and two closing brackets (I assumed the final two on your example were typos?!). now a semi-colon, yes the one with the comma. That's pretty much how I could foresee me telling someone this on the phone, but to be honest, I'd really prefer an email ;) So it really involves mentioning each character. I was hoping that there would be a shared language for constructs such as - and the like. There are, what you'd call, technical jargon for them. However, it'd pretty obviously depend on the extent of knowledge of the person on other side of phone line. If she understands PHP objects, difference between OOP in PHP4 PHP5, and ternary operator, things would be fairly simple. In any case, Ashley's nailed the foolproof technique for sure :) Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il --Bipin Upadhyay. http://projectbee.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
Dotan Cohen wrote: How would you read this out loud if you were to read it to someone over the phone? ($item-getServiceId() ? $item-getServiceId() : $item-getId(; Thanks! FATAL ERROR: Non matching parenthesis. Ok, but really, I would say something along these lines: Open Conditional statement Test Condition Using object variable item call object member method get service id if condition results are true issue following command Using object variable item call object member method get service id if condition results are false issue following command Using object variable item call object member method get id -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
From: Ashley Sheridan On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 18:01 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: Wow! Here goes: Open-bracket, dollar item hypen greater-than, get service id, no all one word but with a capital S and I. Open and close brackets, question mark, dollar item again, then a hyphen and greater-than, that get service id and brackets bit again, exactly the same as last time; yes, capital S and I again. Colon, no the colon is the one with two dots, not dot and comma. Dollar item again, then hypen, greater-than, get id, with a capital I. Nope, no service bit this time. Now, open bracket and two closing brackets (I assumed the final two on your example were typos?!). now a semi-colon, yes the one with the comma. That's pretty much how I could foresee me telling someone this on the phone, but to be honest, I'd really prefer an email ;) So it really involves mentioning each character. I was hoping that there would be a shared language for constructs such as - and the like. Not that I know of, and trying to explain any sort of code over the phone is just going to lead to a disaster down the line! The only time I would even consider doing that would be when I am using a TTD connection to communicate with a hearing impaired individual. Bob McConnell -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
At 4:51 PM +0100 10/16/09, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 17:46 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
How would you read this out loud if you were to read it to someone
over the phone?
($item-getServiceId() ? $item-getServiceId() : $item-getId(;
Thanks!
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Wow! Here goes:
Open-bracket,
No, that's not an open bracket -- that's an open parenthesis or
paren for short.
An open bracket is [
An open curly brace is {
Cheers,
tedd
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Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
Dotan Cohen wrote: How would you read this out loud if you were to read it to someone over the phone? ($item-getServiceId() ? $item-getServiceId() : $item-getId(; It depends... is the person familiar with PHP or not? If they are not then the process is more cumbersome since I can't say things like variable item calling camel-case method getServiceId without parameters. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
So it really involves mentioning each character. I was hoping that there would be a shared language for constructs such as - and the like. I like pointy-thingie, but it's called an operator. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 12:47 -0400, tedd wrote:
At 4:51 PM +0100 10/16/09, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 17:46 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
How would you read this out loud if you were to read it to someone
over the phone?
($item-getServiceId() ? $item-getServiceId() : $item-getId(;
Thanks!
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http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
Wow! Here goes:
Open-bracket,
No, that's not an open bracket -- that's an open parenthesis or
paren for short.
An open bracket is [
An open curly brace is {
Cheers,
tedd
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You say potato, I say chips! (and this is the good ol' English chips,
the nice greasy sort you traditionally eat down the beach while you're
walking along pebbled British beaches as it's bucketing down with rain;
Seasoned with a handful of salt and swimming in vinegar!)
Thanks,
Ash
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RE: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
From: tedd
At 4:51 PM +0100 10/16/09, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 17:46 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
How would you read this out loud if you were to read it to someone
over the phone?
($item-getServiceId() ? $item-getServiceId() : $item-getId(;
Wow! Here goes:
Open-bracket,
No, that's not an open bracket -- that's an open parenthesis or
paren for short.
An open bracket is [
An open curly brace is {
That depends on which edition of English you use. Take a look at the
definition of bracket in Wikipedia. What you call a parenthesis is
called a bracket in England and parts of Canada, as well as elsewhere.
They specify square bracket for the second one. I stumbled on this one
in another mailing list a few years ago.
Bob McConnell
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Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
Ashley Sheridan wrote:
On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 12:47 -0400, tedd wrote:
At 4:51 PM +0100 10/16/09, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 17:46 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
How would you read this out loud if you were to read it to someone
over the phone?
($item-getServiceId() ? $item-getServiceId() : $item-getId(;
Thanks!
--
Dotan Cohen
http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
Wow! Here goes:
Open-bracket,
No, that's not an open bracket -- that's an open parenthesis or
paren for short.
An open bracket is [
An open curly brace is {
Cheers,
tedd
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You say potato, I say chips! (and this is the good ol' English chips,
the nice greasy sort you traditionally eat down the beach while you're
walking along pebbled British beaches as it's bucketing down with rain;
Seasoned with a handful of salt and swimming in vinegar!)
Tasty malt vinegar... not that clear crappy type ubiquitous here in
North America.
Cheers,
Rob.
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Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Bob McConnell r...@cbord.com wrote: From: Ashley Sheridan On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 18:01 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: Wow! Here goes: Open-bracket, dollar item hypen greater-than, get service id, no all one word but with a capital S and I. Open and close brackets, question mark, dollar item again, then a hyphen and greater-than, that get service id and brackets bit again, exactly the same as last time; yes, capital S and I again. Colon, no the colon is the one with two dots, not dot and comma. Dollar item again, then hypen, greater-than, get id, with a capital I. Nope, no service bit this time. Now, open bracket and two closing brackets (I assumed the final two on your example were typos?!). now a semi-colon, yes the one with the comma. That's pretty much how I could foresee me telling someone this on the phone, but to be honest, I'd really prefer an email ;) So it really involves mentioning each character. I was hoping that there would be a shared language for constructs such as - and the like. Not that I know of, and trying to explain any sort of code over the phone is just going to lead to a disaster down the line! The only time I would even consider doing that would be when I am using a TTD connection to communicate with a hearing impaired individual. Bob McConnell Basically, use a modem. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
Bob McConnell wrote:
From: tedd
At 4:51 PM +0100 10/16/09, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 17:46 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
How would you read this out loud if you were to read it to someone
over the phone?
($item-getServiceId() ? $item-getServiceId() : $item-getId(;
Wow! Here goes:
Open-bracket,
No, that's not an open bracket -- that's an open parenthesis or
paren for short.
An open bracket is [
An open curly brace is {
That depends on which edition of English you use. Take a look at the
definition of bracket in Wikipedia. What you call a parenthesis is
called a bracket in England and parts of Canada, as well as elsewhere.
They specify square bracket for the second one. I stumbled on this one
in another mailing list a few years ago.
Bracket... two syllables and ambiguous.
Round Brace... two syllables and not ambiguous.
For terse clarity use the following:
- round brace
- square brace
- curly brace
- angle brace
:)
Cheers,
Rob.
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Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
Robert Cummings wrote:
Bob McConnell wrote:
From: tedd
At 4:51 PM +0100 10/16/09, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 17:46 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
How would you read this out loud if you were to read it to someone
over the phone?
($item-getServiceId() ? $item-getServiceId() : $item-getId(;
Wow! Here goes:
Open-bracket,
No, that's not an open bracket -- that's an open parenthesis or
paren for short.
An open bracket is [
An open curly brace is {
That depends on which edition of English you use. Take a look at the
definition of bracket in Wikipedia. What you call a parenthesis is
called a bracket in England and parts of Canada, as well as elsewhere.
They specify square bracket for the second one. I stumbled on this one
in another mailing list a few years ago.
Bracket... two syllables and ambiguous.
Round Brace... two syllables and not ambiguous.
For terse clarity use the following:
- round brace
- square brace
- curly brace
- angle brace
:)
Cheers,
Rob.
Have you thought about using instant messaging? How about sending the
code to him via text message? Putting it on a pastie or on code pad?
IRC, sFTP, SSH, you see, in the 21st century, there exists a plethora of
solutions to circumvent this particular issue.
I would be interested in finding out how the OP ended up having
absolutely no option but to pass code to another Homo Sapien verbally?
Unless you managed to cripple your system and disconnect your company
from the internet, surely, it would have been faster (and easier) using
the methods above rather than trying to spell it out over the phone.
In any case, I would say:
Call the getServiceId method of the $item object and make that the
condition of a ternary opertor, if true, call the method again,
otherwise call the getId method of the $item object
I'm guessing the reason you were on the phone to him/her was because
your parentheses don't match ... but that's a different story I guess.
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Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
First ask him/her for an email address, and then while you are over the phone send the text by email. This way the other can *instantaneously* read and both of you can talk about the code. That is how it is usually done. But we have found ourselves twice in the position where one had to talk over the phone when a computer or other internet-enabled device was not accessible. Therefore, we would prefer to formulate a shared language now for use in such situations. Surely when coding, people say what they are typing in their heads. I do, but not in English. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
There are, what you'd call, technical jargon for them. However, it'd pretty obviously depend on the extent of knowledge of the person on other side of phone line. If she understands PHP objects, difference between OOP in PHP4 PHP5, and ternary operator, things would be fairly simple. Yes, the other end of the phone is an experienced PHP developer. In any case, Ashley's nailed the foolproof technique for sure :) But I am the fool to prove it! No internet access! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
Ok, but really, I would say something along these lines: Open Conditional statement Test Condition Using object variable item call object member method get service id if condition results are true issue following command Using object variable item call object member method get service id if condition results are false issue following command Using object variable item call object member method get id Thanks, that is probably best. Leave the code to the coder, but transmit the intention. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
It depends... is the person familiar with PHP or not? If they are not then the process is more cumbersome since I can't say things like variable item calling camel-case method getServiceId without parameters. Yes, I should have mentioned that the other party is an experienced PHP developer. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
Have you thought about using instant messaging? How about sending the code to him via text message? Putting it on a pastie or on code pad? IRC, sFTP, SSH, you see, in the 21st century, there exists a plethora of solutions to circumvent this particular issue. I would be interested in finding out how the OP ended up having absolutely no option but to pass code to another Homo Sapien verbally? Unless you managed to cripple your system and disconnect your company from the internet, surely, it would have been faster (and easier) using the methods above rather than trying to spell it out over the phone. It's called vacation away from the 'net but there is an emergency. I'm certain that a fair portion of the list is familiar with that! In any case, I would say: Call the getServiceId method of the $item object and make that the condition of a ternary opertor, if true, call the method again, otherwise call the getId method of the $item object Thanks! I'm guessing the reason you were on the phone to him/her was because your parentheses don't match ... but that's a different story I guess. That actually sounds like a subplot of a good movie. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
From: Dotan Cohen I would be interested in finding out how the OP ended up having absolutely no option but to pass code to another Homo Sapien verbally? Unless you managed to cripple your system and disconnect your company from the internet, surely, it would have been faster (and easier) using the methods above rather than trying to spell it out over the phone. It's called vacation away from the 'net but there is an emergency. I'm certain that a fair portion of the list is familiar with that! If they can reach you by phone you are not on vacation. You are still attached to their leash. Bob McConnell -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
If they can reach you by phone you are not on vacation. You are still attached to their leash. And they still throw me bones :) It's worth it! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
Dotan Cohen wrote: It's called vacation away from the 'net but there is an emergency. I'm certain that a fair portion of the list is familiar with that! I haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about. Vacation? Away from the net? We must be from different planets... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
I haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about. Vacation? Away from the net? We must be from different planets... Very likely, as us Saturnians inhabit the moons, not the planet. Only rocky planet-dwellers talk like that! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
O. Lavell wrote: Dotan Cohen wrote: It's called vacation away from the 'net but there is an emergency. I'm certain that a fair portion of the list is familiar with that! I haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about. Vacation? Away from the net? We must be from different planets... How to do you vacation from something implanted into your brain? Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
It's called vacation away from the 'net but there is an emergency. I'm certain that a fair portion of the list is familiar with that! I haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about. Vacation? Away from the net? We must be from different planets... How to do you vacation from something implanted into your brain? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100802/ -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
- Original Message From: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com To: Bipin Upadhyay muxical.g...@gmail.com Cc: a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk; php-general. php-general@lists.php.net Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 11:29:09 AM Subject: Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone? There are, what you'd call, technical jargon for them. However, it'd pretty obviously depend on the extent of knowledge of the person on other side of phone line. If she understands PHP objects, difference between OOP in PHP4 PHP5, and ternary operator, things would be fairly simple. Yes, the other end of the phone is an experienced PHP developer. IMO, if you have to explain this code over the phone or any medium: ($item-getServiceId() ? $item-getServiceId() : $item-getId(; The other person you're talking to is definitely not experienced. ;) Regards, Tommy In any case, Ashley's nailed the foolproof technique for sure :) But I am the fool to prove it! No internet access! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
Yes, the other end of the phone is an experienced PHP developer. IMO, if you have to explain this code over the phone or any medium: ($item-getServiceId() ? $item-getServiceId() : $item-getId(; The other person you're talking to is definitely not experienced. ;) I do not need to explain it, I need to say it. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
This is a lot of posts to say either read it off character by character or just email the damn line. On 10/16/09, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, the other end of the phone is an experienced PHP developer. IMO, if you have to explain this code over the phone or any medium: ($item-getServiceId() ? $item-getServiceId() : $item-getId(; The other person you're talking to is definitely not experienced. ;) I do not need to explain it, I need to say it. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Sent from my mobile device Bastien Cat, the other other white meat -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
At 12:59 PM -0400 10/16/09, Bob McConnell wrote:
From: tedd
At 4:51 PM +0100 10/16/09, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
Open-bracket,
No, that's not an open bracket -- that's an open parenthesis or
paren for short.
An open bracket is [
An open curly brace is {
That depends on which edition of English you use. Take a look at the
definition of bracket in Wikipedia. What you call a parenthesis is
called a bracket in England and parts of Canada, as well as elsewhere.
They specify square bracket for the second one. I stumbled on this one
in another mailing list a few years ago.
Bob McConnell
I just follow the books published on the subject.
Cheers,
tedd
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Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
At 8:31 PM +0200 10/16/09, Dotan Cohen wrote: It depends... is the person familiar with PHP or not? If they are not then the process is more cumbersome since I can't say things like variable item calling camel-case method getServiceId without parameters. Yes, I should have mentioned that the other party is an experienced PHP developer. Well then you're really in trouble because experienced PHP developers can't agree on anything. :-) Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
Dotan Cohen wrote: It's called vacation away from the 'net but there is an emergency. I'm certain that a fair portion of the list is familiar with that! I haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about. Vacation? Away from the net? We must be from different planets... How to do you vacation from something implanted into your brain? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100802/ My internet was out earlier... but when I saw IMDB in the link I just new it was going to be Total Recall ;) Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
tedd wrote: At 8:31 PM +0200 10/16/09, Dotan Cohen wrote: It depends... is the person familiar with PHP or not? If they are not then the process is more cumbersome since I can't say things like variable item calling camel-case method getServiceId without parameters. Yes, I should have mentioned that the other party is an experienced PHP developer. Well then you're really in trouble because experienced PHP developers can't agree on anything. :-) Yeah, I totally agree with tedd. :| ;) Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] How to pronounce PHP code over the phone?
This is a lot of posts to say either read it off character by character If there is a jargon for operators such as - I'd like to know them. or just email the damn line. Not possible for whatever reason, otherwise I wouldn't be bothering the list! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
