Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-24 Thread Robert Cummings
Michael A. Peters wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: Michael A. Peters wrote: Manuel Aude wrote: I'm giving a PHP course next semester (3 hours all saturdays for 22 weeks) and I just realized that PHP 5.3 is coming very soon (2 days now!). So, my plans of teaching PHP 5.2 are starting to

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-24 Thread Michael A. Peters
Robert Cummings wrote: Michael A. Peters wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: Michael A. Peters wrote: Manuel Aude wrote: I'm giving a PHP course next semester (3 hours all saturdays for 22 weeks) and I just realized that PHP 5.3 is coming very soon (2 days now!). So, my plans of teaching PHP

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-24 Thread Robert Cummings
Michael A. Peters wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: Michael A. Peters wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: Michael A. Peters wrote: Manuel Aude wrote: I'm giving a PHP course next semester (3 hours all saturdays for 22 weeks) and I just realized that PHP 5.3 is coming very soon (2 days now!). So, my

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-24 Thread Per Jessen
Robert Cummings wrote: It's hard to create a helpful application when fort knox is your delivery location. I'm not saying there's a problem with Fort Knoxes in the world, but this isn't necessary for everyone. if it were we wouldn't have banks, we wouldn't have credit unions, we'd all be

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-24 Thread Robert Cummings
Per Jessen wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: It's hard to create a helpful application when fort knox is your delivery location. I'm not saying there's a problem with Fort Knoxes in the world, but this isn't necessary for everyone. if it were we wouldn't have banks, we wouldn't have credit

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-24 Thread Robert Cummings
Per Jessen wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: Personally, I prefer having my code outside the DocumentRoot also, but I do not believe it is the simplest solution, and I do not think it is wrong to place such information within the DocumentRoot. The feature exists, application developers have

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-24 Thread Daniel Brown
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 13:24, Robert Cummingsrob...@interjinn.com wrote: I prefer proceed with caution :) Robjects in mirror are closer than they appear? -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ 50% Off All

RE: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-24 Thread HallMarc Websites
-Original Message- From: paras...@gmail.com [mailto:paras...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Brown Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:34 PM To: Robert Cummings Cc: Per Jessen; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-24 Thread Michael A. Peters
Robert Cummings wrote: * snip * No. It is not. The web root should be read only. Please cite references as to why it should be read only. Please explain why the feature exists if it should not be so. The feature exists because the web server runs as a standard user, and standard users

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-24 Thread Daniel Brown
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 17:19, Michael A. Petersmpet...@mac.com wrote: Jane, a non technical person [...] Betty's webmail account is compromised [...] Bottom line: hax0r5 hate g1rls. -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ ||

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-24 Thread Robert Cummings
Michael A. Peters wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: * snip * No. It is not. The web root should be read only. Please cite references as to why it should be read only. Please explain why the feature exists if it should not be so. The feature exists because the web server runs as a standard

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-24 Thread Michael A. Peters
Robert Cummings wrote: I respectfully disagree with your position. Everything you have described about Jane is also true of an operating system. There are compromised machines all over the world just because installing an operating system is so easy. No amount of packaging is going to solve

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-24 Thread Paul M Foster
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 05:26:11PM -0400, Daniel Brown wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 17:19, Michael A. Petersmpet...@mac.com wrote: Jane, a non technical person [...] Betty's webmail account is compromised [...] Bottom line: hax0r5 hate g1rls. Or hax0r5 hate grrls. Paul --

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-23 Thread Per Jessen
Manuel Aude wrote: I'm giving a PHP course next semester (3 hours all saturdays for 22 weeks) and I just realized that PHP 5.3 is coming very soon (2 days now!). So, my plans of teaching PHP 5.2 are starting to change, and I think it's a good idea to teach them 5.3 already. Does it _really_

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-23 Thread Eddie Drapkin
Why not give a presentation, like in the first few, about compiling PHP for yourself, as that's a pretty useful skill that's oft neglected? On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:12 AM, Per Jessenp...@computer.org wrote: Manuel Aude wrote: I'm giving a PHP course next semester (3 hours all saturdays for 22

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-23 Thread Manuel Aude
The thing is, that part of the planned course was to develop a small framework, so that they could see the dynamic and OOP posibilities that PHP offers. With PHP 5.3, there are namespaces, which change a lot the design of a framework, as well as true lambdas with closures. So, naturally, the

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-23 Thread Robert Cummings
Per Jessen wrote: Manuel Aude wrote: I'm giving a PHP course next semester (3 hours all saturdays for 22 weeks) and I just realized that PHP 5.3 is coming very soon (2 days now!). So, my plans of teaching PHP 5.2 are starting to change, and I think it's a good idea to teach them 5.3 already.

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-23 Thread Robert Cummings
Manuel Aude wrote: The thing is, that part of the planned course was to develop a small framework, so that they could see the dynamic and OOP posibilities that PHP offers. With PHP 5.3, there are namespaces, which change a lot the design of a framework, as well as true lambdas with closures. So,

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-23 Thread Per Jessen
Robert Cummings wrote: Per Jessen wrote: Manuel Aude wrote: I'm giving a PHP course next semester (3 hours all saturdays for 22 weeks) and I just realized that PHP 5.3 is coming very soon (2 days now!). So, my plans of teaching PHP 5.2 are starting to change, and I think it's a good idea

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-23 Thread Robert Cummings
Per Jessen wrote: Robert Cummings wrote: Per Jessen wrote: Manuel Aude wrote: I'm giving a PHP course next semester (3 hours all saturdays for 22 weeks) and I just realized that PHP 5.3 is coming very soon (2 days now!). So, my plans of teaching PHP 5.2 are starting to change, and I think

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-23 Thread Per Jessen
Robert Cummings wrote: Per Jessen wrote: Coming to a PHP 5.3 near you are the following notable features: - namespaces - closures - late static binding - garbage collector to handle cyclic references - PHAR - goto I hadn't actually seen/studied the list,

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-23 Thread Michael A. Peters
Manuel Aude wrote: I'm giving a PHP course next semester (3 hours all saturdays for 22 weeks) and I just realized that PHP 5.3 is coming very soon (2 days now!). So, my plans of teaching PHP 5.2 are starting to change, and I think it's a good idea to teach them 5.3 already. While the majority

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-23 Thread Robert Cummings
Michael A. Peters wrote: Manuel Aude wrote: I'm giving a PHP course next semester (3 hours all saturdays for 22 weeks) and I just realized that PHP 5.3 is coming very soon (2 days now!). So, my plans of teaching PHP 5.2 are starting to change, and I think it's a good idea to teach them 5.3

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-23 Thread Daniel Brown
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 04:12, Per Jessenp...@computer.org wrote: Manuel Aude wrote: I'm giving a PHP course next semester (3 hours all saturdays for 22 weeks) and I just realized that PHP 5.3 is coming very soon (2 days now!). So, my plans of teaching PHP 5.2 are starting to change, and I

RE: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-23 Thread Bob McConnell
From: Michael A. Peters Manuel Aude wrote: I'm giving a PHP course next semester (3 hours all saturdays for 22 weeks) and I just realized that PHP 5.3 is coming very soon (2 days now!). So, my plans of teaching PHP 5.2 are starting to change, and I think it's a good idea to teach them 5.3

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-23 Thread Michael Shadle
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 2:34 AM, Robert Cummings rob...@interjinn.com wrote: Revolutionary, no. Major changes for PHP, yes! Major shifts in development practices for PHP... it depends on who you are or where you work, but certainly some of these will mark changes in development for many

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-23 Thread Manuel Aude
Let's put it this way: MVC frameworks with namespaces are going to change a lot. The architecture can be made much cleaner and class names won't have to be so long (Zend_Db_Adapter_Db2_Exception), for instance. The design part of coding is __VERY__ important, and this changes are specially for

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-23 Thread Michael A. Peters
Robert Cummings wrote: Michael A. Peters wrote: Manuel Aude wrote: I'm giving a PHP course next semester (3 hours all saturdays for 22 weeks) and I just realized that PHP 5.3 is coming very soon (2 days now!). So, my plans of teaching PHP 5.2 are starting to change, and I think it's a good

Re: [PHP] I've some doubts if I should go with 5.2 or go already with 5.3 (for a course)

2009-06-23 Thread Michael A. Peters
Bob McConnell wrote: I have recently been told that we are switching from compiling Apache, PHP and PostgreSQL ourselves to only using the official RedHat RPMs on our production servers[*]. *snip* [*] No, I don't like this at all. I see it as the antithesis of both the Open Source and