Re: [PHP] Kinda 0.T... php site and maintenance
@Bastien, Stuart: Thanks for your input guys, was very useful and appreciate it. cheers! R -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Kinda 0.T... php site and maintenance
I have just quitted from my partial time job at the company. I did some personally sites like that for 2 banks here in Israel. When I do something like that I usually basing the whole thing on the known blogging platform WordPress, it has a massive power inside of it, the templating system is very easy and gives you the ability to dress it up without any extra knowledge except common sense and a bit of php knowledge, It supports creating galleries (using plugins, etc) and gives you the functionally you usually need when you write a personall website - free access to creating static pages, using wordpress integrated WYSIWYG editor, creating updates using the blog posts, etc. I found it very useful so far (I used this platform in 15 websites~) and I think you will find it more than great for your client's job. HTH, Nitsan On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Ryan S gen...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, Got a question for you guys who make a lot of personal sites. I got a US client who wants me to make a personal site, 4-7 sections (eg: about me, photos, whats new etc) and have to put a yearly maintenance $$ amount... I thought i'll make most of the stuff using php rather than plain html so the client can update different sections without me (eg: whats new, add pics) What do you guys charge for something like this (dont count hosting and domain fees) Thanks! R -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Kinda 0.T... php site and maintenance
Depends on what they want, how much time it'll take you (and thus how experienced you are at PHP), and how much code you can re-use. Break it down a bit. You'll probably want PHP to do a few things. It'll probably generate the main navigation when you view the page, that's one section. You'll probably want an admin page so they can edit the HTML. That's another section (that deals with writing files, and also lots of user input). Maybe they can't edit raw HTML, and want a BBcode editor, or even full wysiwyg editor, that's at least a sub-section. Then there's photos. So they'll want a gallery. Does the gallery just show next and back, or does it show an index page of thumbnails? Will they be able to save comments? Will users be able to leave comments? How will the customer upload, edit, and delete the images? What about a news feed, if done properly it'll be a bit like a blog, with an RSS feed, and postings, and archives. Will the data be pulled from a database? Are you familiar with databases? Also, what about an AJAX interface? some things, especially the back end (and pre-loading the next gallery image), lend themselves to being done in AJAX. Do you know javascript, and XML? What if they want to upload a video instead of a picture? Will you just get them to use YouTube and embed it, or will you work out the issues of uploading LARGE files, using something like FFMPEG to compress it, and then finding a suitable flash player to play them. As you can see, there's a lot of things that could be done on such a site. Personally I try it this way. I estimate the time it's going to take me to do each thing, then double it (as I am habitually optimistic in my timing), then work out the hourly rate. I personally wouldn't work for less than $25/hour, even if it was a friend, and that wouldn't be for something of this magnitude. I normally charge AUD$45/hour, and most people think I'm undercutting the market. Although my rates can be off as I usually have to do photography, and film work for a client as well. At the end, you multiply the number of hours it'll take you, by your hourly rate and get a total. The hard thing is, the first time you make such a site you'll probably learn a LOT, and it'll take you a fair amount of time, then the second time you'll probably re-program it because you know better (like to use Object Oriented, and whole new programming and UI techniques), and after that you'll probably just write an installation script that'll allow you to create new sites within minutes. So do you charge the 1st person $10,000 when they'll probably end up with the worst site, and everyone else gets charged $200, or do you split the cost up over a number of potential sites, and absorb any miscalculations? But the real question you have to ask is if it is really worth all the effort when you can simply use a plugin for something like Wordpress http://wordpress.org/ which will be 10x better than anything you'll ever create anyway. Michael Kubler *G*rey *P*hoenix *P*roductions http://www.greyphoenix.biz PS : Sorry to everyone about the long email replies... seems to be my thing today. Ryan S wrote: Hey, Got a question for you guys who make a lot of personal sites. I got a US client who wants me to make a personal site, 4-7 sections (eg: about me, photos, whats new etc) and have to put a yearly maintenance $$ amount... I thought i'll make most of the stuff using php rather than plain html so the client can update different sections without me (eg: whats new, add pics) What do you guys charge for something like this (dont count hosting and domain fees) Thanks! R
Re: [PHP] Kinda 0.T... php site and maintenance
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Nitsan Bin-Nun nitsa...@gmail.com wrote: I have just quitted from my partial time job at the company. I did some personally sites like that for 2 banks here in Israel. When I do something like that I usually basing the whole thing on the known blogging platform WordPress, it has a massive power inside of it, the templating system is very easy and gives you the ability to dress it up without any extra knowledge except common sense and a bit of php knowledge, It supports creating galleries (using plugins, etc) and gives you the functionally you usually need when you write a personall website - free access to creating static pages, using wordpress integrated WYSIWYG editor, creating updates using the blog posts, etc. I found it very useful so far (I used this platform in 15 websites~) and I think you will find it more than great for your client's job. HTH, Nitsan On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Ryan S gen...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, Got a question for you guys who make a lot of personal sites. I got a US client who wants me to make a personal site, 4-7 sections (eg: about me, photos, whats new etc) and have to put a yearly maintenance $$ amount... I thought i'll make most of the stuff using php rather than plain html so the client can update different sections without me (eg: whats new, add pics) What do you guys charge for something like this (dont count hosting and domain fees) Thanks! R -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php I usually charge around $75 / hr. Though I have a client with a larger app that pays me about $1K / yr for all the continuing work on it. But in this case, I think Nitsan is probably correct, in that you should just use a preset template or blog software and change $250 flat for it...the first few you might lose money on (if considered in a per hour basis) but as you get faster and more familiar with it, you can get that going more quickly. -- Bastien Cat, the other other white meat
Re: [PHP] Kinda 0.T... php site and maintenance
Hey, Thanks everyone for replying, I really appreciate your input. One thing you forgot to mention, how much would it be for maintenance per year? Feel free to add anything you think you might have forgotten in your first emails to me. @ Nitsan, I did some personally sites like that for 2 banks here in Israel. Israel!! Stay safe bro and god bless, you have some real crazies surrounding your country. @Michael Kubler, Not a problem, I like long replies.. by their very nature most of them are more detailed ;) Cheers! R -- - The faulty interface lies between the chair and the keyboard. - Creativity is great, but plagiarism is faster! - Smile, everyone loves a moron. :-) - Original Message From: Nitsan Bin-Nun nitsa...@gmail.com To: Ryan S gen...@yahoo.com Cc: php php php-general@lists.php.net Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:39:19 PM Subject: Re: [PHP] Kinda 0.T... php site and maintenance I have just quitted from my partial time job at the company. I did some personally sites like that for 2 banks here in Israel. When I do something like that I usually basing the whole thing on the known blogging platform WordPress, it has a massive power inside of it, the templating system is very easy and gives you the ability to dress it up without any extra knowledge except common sense and a bit of php knowledge, It supports creating galleries (using plugins, etc) and gives you the functionally you usually need when you write a personall website - free access to creating static pages, using wordpress integrated WYSIWYG editor, creating updates using the blog posts, etc. I found it very useful so far (I used this platform in 15 websites~) and I think you will find it more than great for your client's job. HTH, Nitsan On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Ryan S gen...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, Got a question for you guys who make a lot of personal sites. I got a US client who wants me to make a personal site, 4-7 sections (eg: about me, photos, whats new etc) and have to put a yearly maintenance $$ amount... I thought i'll make most of the stuff using php rather than plain html so the client can update different sections without me (eg: whats new, add pics) What do you guys charge for something like this (dont count hosting and domain fees) Thanks! R -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Kinda 0.T... php site and maintenance
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Ryan S gen...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, Thanks everyone for replying, I really appreciate your input. One thing you forgot to mention, how much would it be for maintenance per year? Feel free to add anything you think you might have forgotten in your first emails to me. @ Nitsan, I did some personally sites like that for 2 banks here in Israel. Israel!! Stay safe bro and god bless, you have some real crazies surrounding your country. @Michael Kubler, Not a problem, I like long replies.. by their very nature most of them are more detailed ;) Cheers! R -- - The faulty interface lies between the chair and the keyboard. - Creativity is great, but plagiarism is faster! - Smile, everyone loves a moron. :-) - Original Message From: Nitsan Bin-Nun nitsa...@gmail.com To: Ryan S gen...@yahoo.com Cc: php php php-general@lists.php.net Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:39:19 PM Subject: Re: [PHP] Kinda 0.T... php site and maintenance I have just quitted from my partial time job at the company. I did some personally sites like that for 2 banks here in Israel. When I do something like that I usually basing the whole thing on the known blogging platform WordPress, it has a massive power inside of it, the templating system is very easy and gives you the ability to dress it up without any extra knowledge except common sense and a bit of php knowledge, It supports creating galleries (using plugins, etc) and gives you the functionally you usually need when you write a personall website - free access to creating static pages, using wordpress integrated WYSIWYG editor, creating updates using the blog posts, etc. I found it very useful so far (I used this platform in 15 websites~) and I think you will find it more than great for your client's job. HTH, Nitsan On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Ryan S gen...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, Got a question for you guys who make a lot of personal sites. I got a US client who wants me to make a personal site, 4-7 sections (eg: about me, photos, whats new etc) and have to put a yearly maintenance $$ amount... I thought i'll make most of the stuff using php rather than plain html so the client can update different sections without me (eg: whats new, add pics) What do you guys charge for something like this (dont count hosting and domain fees) Thanks! R -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php You need to charge what you think is fair to support the application. If the calls are few and far between and more related to new dev work, then maybe $10/mth is fair...judge by how many support requests there are knowing that in the first few months after launch there will be more than after 1 year -- Bastien Cat, the other other white meat
Re: [PHP] Kinda 0.T... php site and maintenance
2009/1/26 Ryan S gen...@yahoo.com: One thing you forgot to mention, how much would it be for maintenance per year? Feel free to add anything you think you might have forgotten in your first emails to me. Depends what you mean by maintenance. Will you be updating the site for them often? To be honest putting a fixed cost on a years worth of maintaining a website is next to impossible. What happens if visitor numbers explode - you're stuck maintaining a busy site for the cost of a much smaller site. IIWY I'd charge per update and an hourly fee for sysadmin work. Unless you feel like gambling that you'll get more with a fixed annual fee. But remember that it is a gamble. Either way make sure there's a written agreement that details exactly what's included in any fixed fee. -Stuart -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
