Re: [PHP] New to list and to PHP

2011-02-21 Thread Daniel Brown
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 18:51, tolga kacmazto...@gmail.com wrote:

 i'm interested in php about 3 maybe 4 years but i still couldnt get the
 logic of classes. it makes no sense to me.

Nor do mailing list rules or Internet etiquette guidelines,
apparently.  You know, the ones that say, don't hijack someone else's
thread, start your own, yada yada

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Re: [PHP] New to list and to PHP

2011-02-21 Thread Pete Woodhead

On 2/20/2011 3:47 PM, tedd wrote:

At 2:03 PM -0500 2/18/11, Pete Woodhead wrote:
Hi I'm Pete Woodhead.  I'm new to the list and to PHP.  
To be honest I very

new to code writing.
Thought this would be a good way to learn good habits as 
well as good code

writing.
Looking forward to learning and participating.


Pete:

Welcome to the gang.

Minor points:

1. It's not code writing, it's coding.

2. You are not a code writer, but rather a coder.

You can also be called a computer programmer or a 
programer for short -- not to mention some of the other 
names we are often called. :-)


Cheers,

tedd


Hi Tod,

Thanks for the welcome and the jargon corrections.
So far the other help I've received is to show me, the new 
guy  where the clean up broom and shovel are!

We'll if you'll excuse me I've got some sweeping to do.  :)

Regards,
Pete




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Re: [PHP] New to list and to PHP

2011-02-21 Thread Pete Woodhead

On 2/20/2011 6:41 PM, Richard Quadling wrote:

On 20 February 2011 23:34, Richard Quadlingrquadl...@gmail.com  wrote:

On 18 February 2011 19:03, Pete Woodheadpete.woodhea...@gmail.com  wrote:

Hi I'm Pete Woodhead. Â I'm new to the list and to PHP. Â To be honest I very
new to code writing.
Thought this would be a good way to learn good habits as well as good code
writing.
Looking forward to learning and participating.


Assume that all the data you get from the user is out to get you. It
probably isn't. Most of the time. But when it does, it'll be your
fault. Unless you've left the company by then.

Also, poka-yoke is a great concept to learn about (thanks to a great
article in php|Architect all the way back when).

Richard.

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Hi Richard,
Thanks for the welcome, the advice and the link.
I was not aware of PHP | Architect.
Truth be told I'm still at the PHP for Dummies level.

Regards,
Pete

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Re: [PHP] New to list and to PHP

2011-02-21 Thread Bastien Koert
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Pete Woodhead
pete.woodhea...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 2/20/2011 6:41 PM, Richard Quadling wrote:

 On 20 February 2011 23:34, Richard Quadlingrquadl...@gmail.com  wrote:

 On 18 February 2011 19:03, Pete Woodheadpete.woodhea...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Hi I'm Pete Woodhead. Â I'm new to the list and to PHP. Â To be honest I
 very
 new to code writing.
 Thought this would be a good way to learn good habits as well as good
 code
 writing.
 Looking forward to learning and participating.

 Assume that all the data you get from the user is out to get you. It
 probably isn't. Most of the time. But when it does, it'll be your
 fault. Unless you've left the company by then.

 Also, poka-yoke is a great concept to learn about (thanks to a great
 article in php|Architect all the way back when).

 Richard.

 --
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 Twitter : EE : Zend
 @RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY

 http://www.phparch.com/magazine/2006-2/february/ in case anyone was
 wondering.

 Hi Richard,
 Thanks for the welcome, the advice and the link.
 I was not aware of PHP | Architect.
 Truth be told I'm still at the PHP for Dummies level.

 Regards,
 Pete

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Consider Head First Object Oriented Analysis and Design

http://www.amazon.com/Head-First-Object-Oriented-Analysis-Design/dp/0596008678


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Re: [PHP] New to list and to PHP

2011-02-20 Thread tedd

At 2:03 PM -0500 2/18/11, Pete Woodhead wrote:

Hi I'm Pete Woodhead.  I'm new to the list and to PHP.  To be honest I very
new to code writing.
Thought this would be a good way to learn good habits as well as good code
writing.
Looking forward to learning and participating.


Pete:

Welcome to the gang.

Minor points:

1. It's not code writing, it's coding.

2. You are not a code writer, but rather a coder.

You can also be called a computer programmer or a programer for 
short -- not to mention some of the other names we are often called. 
:-)


Cheers,

tedd

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Re: [PHP] New to list and to PHP

2011-02-20 Thread Richard Quadling
On 20 February 2011 23:34, Richard Quadling rquadl...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 18 February 2011 19:03, Pete Woodhead pete.woodhea...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi I'm Pete Woodhead.  I'm new to the list and to PHP.  To be honest I very
 new to code writing.
 Thought this would be a good way to learn good habits as well as good code
 writing.
 Looking forward to learning and participating.


 Assume that all the data you get from the user is out to get you. It
 probably isn't. Most of the time. But when it does, it'll be your
 fault. Unless you've left the company by then.

 Also, poka-yoke is a great concept to learn about (thanks to a great
 article in php|Architect all the way back when).

 Richard.

 --
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 @RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY


http://www.phparch.com/magazine/2006-2/february/ in case anyone was wondering.

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Re: [PHP] New to list and to PHP

2011-02-20 Thread tolga

21.02.2011 01:41, Richard Quadling yazmış:

On 20 February 2011 23:34, Richard Quadlingrquadl...@gmail.com  wrote:

On 18 February 2011 19:03, Pete Woodheadpete.woodhea...@gmail.com  wrote:

Hi I'm Pete Woodhead.  I'm new to the list and to PHP.  To be honest I very
new to code writing.
Thought this would be a good way to learn good habits as well as good code
writing.
Looking forward to learning and participating.


Assume that all the data you get from the user is out to get you. It
probably isn't. Most of the time. But when it does, it'll be your
fault. Unless you've left the company by then.

Also, poka-yoke is a great concept to learn about (thanks to a great
article in php|Architect all the way back when).

Richard.

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@RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY


http://www.phparch.com/magazine/2006-2/february/ in case anyone was wondering.

i'm interested in php about 3 maybe 4 years but i still couldnt get the 
logic of classes. it makes no sense to me. i couldnt understand whats 
about classes good at or how to use or write it. and i can say that  is 
'class' really necessery? 


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Re: [PHP] New to list and to PHP

2011-02-20 Thread Richard Quadling
On 18 February 2011 19:03, Pete Woodhead pete.woodhea...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi I'm Pete Woodhead.  I'm new to the list and to PHP.  To be honest I very
 new to code writing.
 Thought this would be a good way to learn good habits as well as good code
 writing.
 Looking forward to learning and participating.


Assume that all the data you get from the user is out to get you. It
probably isn't. Most of the time. But when it does, it'll be your
fault. Unless you've left the company by then.

Also, poka-yoke is a great concept to learn about (thanks to a great
article in php|Architect all the way back when).

Richard.

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Re: [PHP] New to list and to PHP

2011-02-20 Thread Tamara Temple


On Feb 20, 2011, at 5:51 PM, tolga wrote:


21.02.2011 01:41, Richard Quadling yazmış:
On 20 February 2011 23:34, Richard Quadlingrquadl...@gmail.com   
wrote:
On 18 February 2011 19:03, Pete  
Woodheadpete.woodhea...@gmail.com  wrote:
Hi I'm Pete Woodhead.  I'm new to the list and to PHP.  To be  
honest I very

new to code writing.
Thought this would be a good way to learn good habits as well as  
good code

writing.
Looking forward to learning and participating.


Assume that all the data you get from the user is out to get you. It
probably isn't. Most of the time. But when it does, it'll be your
fault. Unless you've left the company by then.

Also, poka-yoke is a great concept to learn about (thanks to a great
article in php|Architect all the way back when).

Richard.

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Twitter : EE : Zend
@RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY

http://www.phparch.com/magazine/2006-2/february/ in case anyone was  
wondering.


i'm interested in php about 3 maybe 4 years but i still couldnt get  
the logic of classes. it makes no sense to me. i couldnt understand  
whats about classes good at or how to use or write it. and i can say  
that  is 'class' really necessery? 


a class is construct of Object Oriented PHP. If you don't understand  
object oriented programming, you'll likely not understand the use of  
object and classes in PHP, either. There are good reasons to use  
object oriented principles in PHP and other langages, and good reasons  
to use procedural principles in PHP as well. Learning when to use  
either is important. Learning how to use classes someone else  
implements is also important to keep from re-re-re-re-re-reinventing  
the wheel.



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Re: [PHP] New to list and to PHP

2011-02-20 Thread tolga

21.02.2011 03:21, Tamara Temple yazmış:


On Feb 20, 2011, at 5:51 PM, tolga wrote:


21.02.2011 01:41, Richard Quadling yazmış:
On 20 February 2011 23:34, Richard Quadlingrquadl...@gmail.com  
wrote:
On 18 February 2011 19:03, Pete 
Woodheadpete.woodhea...@gmail.com  wrote:
Hi I'm Pete Woodhead.  I'm new to the list and to PHP.  To be 
honest I very

new to code writing.
Thought this would be a good way to learn good habits as well as 
good code

writing.
Looking forward to learning and participating.


Assume that all the data you get from the user is out to get you. It
probably isn't. Most of the time. But when it does, it'll be your
fault. Unless you've left the company by then.

Also, poka-yoke is a great concept to learn about (thanks to a great
article in php|Architect all the way back when).

Richard.

--
Richard Quadling
Twitter : EE : Zend
@RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY

http://www.phparch.com/magazine/2006-2/february/ in case anyone was 
wondering.


i'm interested in php about 3 maybe 4 years but i still couldnt get 
the logic of classes. it makes no sense to me. i couldnt understand 
whats about classes good at or how to use or write it. and i can say 
that  is 'class' really necessery? 


a class is construct of Object Oriented PHP. If you don't understand 
object oriented programming, you'll likely not understand the use of 
object and classes in PHP, either. There are good reasons to use 
object oriented principles in PHP and other langages, and good reasons 
to use procedural principles in PHP as well. Learning when to use 
either is important. Learning how to use classes someone else 
implements is also important to keep from re-re-re-re-re-reinventing 
the wheel.



thanks. are there any high detailed explanation of classes in php? 
except for php.net, cuz i didnt understand anything from there about 
classes.


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Re: [PHP] New to list and to PHP

2011-02-20 Thread Tamara Temple


On Feb 20, 2011, at 7:38 PM, tolga wrote:


21.02.2011 03:21, Tamara Temple yazmış:


On Feb 20, 2011, at 5:51 PM, tolga wrote:
i'm interested in php about 3 maybe 4 years but i still couldnt  
get the logic of classes. it makes no sense to me. i couldnt  
understand whats about classes good at or how to use or write it.  
and i can say that  is 'class' really necessery? 


a class is construct of Object Oriented PHP. If you don't  
understand object oriented programming, you'll likely not  
understand the use of object and classes in PHP, either. There are  
good reasons to use object oriented principles in PHP and other  
langages, and good reasons to use procedural principles in PHP as  
well. Learning when to use either is important. Learning how to use  
classes someone else implements is also important to keep from re- 
re-re-re-re-reinventing the wheel.



thanks. are there any high detailed explanation of classes in php?  
except for php.net, cuz i didnt understand anything from there about  
classes.


seriously: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=php+object+oriented+programming+tutorial


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Re: [PHP] New to list and to PHP

2011-02-20 Thread Mujtaba Arshad
better yet: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=explanation+of+classes+in+php

On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Tamara Temple tamouse.li...@gmail.comwrote:


 On Feb 20, 2011, at 7:38 PM, tolga wrote:

  21.02.2011 03:21, Tamara Temple yazmış:


 On Feb 20, 2011, at 5:51 PM, tolga wrote:

 i'm interested in php about 3 maybe 4 years but i still couldnt get the
 logic of classes. it makes no sense to me. i couldnt understand whats about
 classes good at or how to use or write it. and i can say that  is 'class'
 really necessery? 


 a class is construct of Object Oriented PHP. If you don't understand
 object oriented programming, you'll likely not understand the use of object
 and classes in PHP, either. There are good reasons to use object oriented
 principles in PHP and other langages, and good reasons to use procedural
 principles in PHP as well. Learning when to use either is important.
 Learning how to use classes someone else implements is also important to
 keep from re-re-re-re-re-reinventing the wheel.


  thanks. are there any high detailed explanation of classes in php?
 except for php.net, cuz i didnt understand anything from there about
 classes.


 seriously: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=php+object+oriented+programming+tutorial



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Re: [PHP] New to list and to PHP

2011-02-20 Thread tolga

ahaha lol.
the point of my ask here is that i want to find a trusted source, not 
seo based web sites with no info inside.

but thats cool.

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Re: [PHP] New to list and to PHP

2011-02-20 Thread Eric Butera
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 8:38 PM, tolga kacmazto...@gmail.com wrote:
 21.02.2011 03:21, Tamara Temple yazmış:

 On Feb 20, 2011, at 5:51 PM, tolga wrote:

 21.02.2011 01:41, Richard Quadling yazmış:

 On 20 February 2011 23:34, Richard Quadlingrquadl...@gmail.com  wrote:

 On 18 February 2011 19:03, Pete Woodheadpete.woodhea...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Hi I'm Pete Woodhead.  I'm new to the list and to PHP.  To be honest I
 very
 new to code writing.
 Thought this would be a good way to learn good habits as well as good
 code
 writing.
 Looking forward to learning and participating.

 Assume that all the data you get from the user is out to get you. It
 probably isn't. Most of the time. But when it does, it'll be your
 fault. Unless you've left the company by then.

 Also, poka-yoke is a great concept to learn about (thanks to a great
 article in php|Architect all the way back when).

 Richard.

 --
 Richard Quadling
 Twitter : EE : Zend
 @RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY

 http://www.phparch.com/magazine/2006-2/february/ in case anyone was
 wondering.

 i'm interested in php about 3 maybe 4 years but i still couldnt get the
 logic of classes. it makes no sense to me. i couldnt understand whats about
 classes good at or how to use or write it. and i can say that  is 'class'
 really necessery? 

 a class is construct of Object Oriented PHP. If you don't understand
 object oriented programming, you'll likely not understand the use of object
 and classes in PHP, either. There are good reasons to use object oriented
 principles in PHP and other langages, and good reasons to use procedural
 principles in PHP as well. Learning when to use either is important.
 Learning how to use classes someone else implements is also important to
 keep from re-re-re-re-re-reinventing the wheel.


 thanks. are there any high detailed explanation of classes in php? except
 for php.net, cuz i didnt understand anything from there about classes.

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Pretty say to see a lmgtfy response, so I'll try and provide something
slightly more worthwhile.  First off, what is so bad about the php.net
documentation?  If it is over your head, then I'd say get yourself
some books and study fundamentals.  Granted, you don't need to buy
anything as searches will yield the proper results--of course this is
much more difficult if you don't know the terms.  I was confused at
first too, but I persisted and learned a few tricks.  I started off by
studying open source projects  reading the code/searching for the
method names it used.  Look around on Github, it is all there for your
consumption!  Just FYI, my favorite book was Head First Deign
Patterns.

I think the best part about coding is that there is no right way.
There are millions of solutions to these problems whether they be
classical, prototypal, functional, or whatever. :)  Either way, good
luck!

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Re: [PHP] New to list and to PHP

2011-02-19 Thread Daniel Brown
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 14:03, Pete Woodhead pete.woodhea...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi I'm Pete Woodhead.  I'm new to the list and to PHP.  To be honest I very
 new to code writing.
 Thought this would be a good way to learn good habits as well as good code
 writing.
 Looking forward to learning and participating.

Fantastic.  As the new guy, you're expected to sweep the floors
here each Tuesday and Saturday evening.  Lesson one: buy a broom.

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Re: [PHP] New to list and to PHP

2011-02-19 Thread David Robley
Daniel Brown wrote:

 On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 14:03, Pete Woodhead pete.woodhea...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Hi I'm Pete Woodhead.  I'm new to the list and to PHP.  To be honest I
 very new to code writing.
 Thought this would be a good way to learn good habits as well as good
 code writing.
 Looking forward to learning and participating.
 
 Fantastic.  As the new guy, you're expected to sweep the floors
 here each Tuesday and Saturday evening.  Lesson one: buy a broom.
 
A shovel might also be useful - Dan forgot to mention the stables...



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Re: [PHP] New to list and to PHP

2011-02-19 Thread David Hutto
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 11:14 PM, David Robley robl...@aapt.net.au wrote:
 Daniel Brown wrote:

 On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 14:03, Pete Woodhead pete.woodhea...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Hi I'm Pete Woodhead.  I'm new to the list and to PHP.  To be honest I
 very new to code writing.
 Thought this would be a good way to learn good habits as well as good
 code writing.
 Looking forward to learning and participating.

     Fantastic.  As the new guy, you're expected to sweep the floors
 here each Tuesday and Saturday evening.  Lesson one: buy a broom.

 A shovel might also be useful - Dan forgot to mention the stables...



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Re: [PHP] New to list and to PHP

2011-02-18 Thread Adam Richardson
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Pete Woodhead pete.woodhea...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi I'm Pete Woodhead.  I'm new to the list and to PHP.  To be honest I very
 new to code writing.
 Thought this would be a good way to learn good habits as well as good code
 writing.
 Looking forward to learning and participating.


Welcome, Pete.

I'm confident you'll gain valuable insight through participating in the
list.

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