Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
Though vim is not a so-called IDE, actually it's quite handy. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Sascha Braun [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi people, I have a webproject which is round about 3 GB in size. I was usually using eclipse to work with the software but over time eclipse became very instable regarding that project. As soon as I open classes with 2000 or more lines of code in it, an out of memory error occours. So I need a new IDE for linux. Please tell me which IDE might be a true alternative for projects at that size. Thank you friends, kind regards, Sascha -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- With best regards, Shelley Shyan http://phparch.cn
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
2008/8/28 Shelley [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Though vim is not a so-called IDE, actually it's quite handy. And as PHP is not [generally] compiled, no IDE is needed. VIM is great, and for a GUI text editor I use Kate. Note that there will soon be a VIM mode in Kate! I cannot wait! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
On 28 Aug 2008, at 11:57, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/8/28 Shelley [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Though vim is not a so-called IDE, actually it's quite handy. And as PHP is not [generally] compiled, no IDE is needed. VIM is great, and for a GUI text editor I use Kate. Note that there will soon be a VIM mode in Kate! I cannot wait! What does compilation have to do with it? C/C++ are rarely interpreted but that certainly doesn't dictate a need for an IDE. This question comes up so often it's painful, but I don't think I've ever actually answered it. I use TextMate most of the time, Coda for remote projects and occasionally Zend Studio when I need to step through code. I've also gone through phases of using vi, vim, pico, nano, emacs, epsilon, kate, notepad(!), notepad2, aptana, eclipse, and many more I can't remember. It's text, use what works for you. I recently made the mistake of putting over 100k fairly small data files into the tree for my current project and it completely killed TextMate. Best option for lots of files or very large files is to disable any automatic scanning your editor does. You may lose some of the nice-to-have features like code completion but to me that's a small price to pay for being able to do anything at all. -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
Please tell me which IDE might be a true alternative for projects at that size. Don't know for sure, but you can try Netbeans for PHP : http://php.netbeans.org/ kind regards, Brice Favre Thank you friends, kind regards, Sascha -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
2008/8/28 Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And as PHP is not [generally] compiled, no IDE is needed. VIM is great, and for a GUI text editor I use Kate. Note that there will soon be a VIM mode in Kate! I cannot wait! What does compilation have to do with it? C/C++ are rarely interpreted but that certainly doesn't dictate a need for an IDE. Non-compiled languages need only a text editor. Text editors have features such as code completion, library reference, code highlighting, code folding, multiple document interface, etc. Compiled languages need a compiler. Cooperation between the compiler and the text editor is done in an IDE. That's what the I in _Integrated_ Development Environment means. If you don't need to integrate with anything (specifically, a compiler) then you don't need an integrated development environment. This question comes up so often it's painful, but I don't think I've ever actually answered it. I use TextMate most of the time, Coda for remote projects and occasionally Zend Studio when I need to step through code. I've also gone through phases of using vi, vim, pico, nano, emacs, epsilon, kate, notepad(!), notepad2, aptana, eclipse, and many more I can't remember. It's text, use what works for you. I've also rarely answered this question, and I don't know why I spoke up today. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/28 Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And as PHP is not [generally] compiled, no IDE is needed. VIM is great, and for a GUI text editor I use Kate. Note that there will soon be a VIM mode in Kate! I cannot wait! What does compilation have to do with it? C/C++ are rarely interpreted but that certainly doesn't dictate a need for an IDE. Non-compiled languages need only a text editor. Text editors have features such as code completion, library reference, code highlighting, code folding, multiple document interface, etc. Compiled languages need a compiler. Cooperation between the compiler and the text editor is done in an IDE. That's what the I in _Integrated_ Development Environment means. If you don't need to integrate with anything (specifically, a compiler) then you don't need an integrated development environment. This question comes up so often it's painful, but I don't think I've ever actually answered it. I use TextMate most of the time, Coda for remote projects and occasionally Zend Studio when I need to step through code. I've also gone through phases of using vi, vim, pico, nano, emacs, epsilon, kate, notepad(!), notepad2, aptana, eclipse, and many more I can't remember. It's text, use what works for you. I've also rarely answered this question, and I don't know why I spoke up today. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü Well, while that is true about compiling, you're forgetting about other things inside of an IDE, such as debugging. Yes, you can just pull up a web browser or run the script at command line, but the debugger also has the stepping features and break points that can make debugging a whole lot easier and quicker. -- -Dan Joseph www.canishosting.com - Plans start @ $1.99/month. Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for the rest of the day. Light a man on fire, and will be warm for the rest of his life.
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
On 28 Aug 2008, at 13:59, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/8/28 Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And as PHP is not [generally] compiled, no IDE is needed. VIM is great, and for a GUI text editor I use Kate. Note that there will soon be a VIM mode in Kate! I cannot wait! What does compilation have to do with it? C/C++ are rarely interpreted but that certainly doesn't dictate a need for an IDE. Non-compiled languages need only a text editor. Text editors have features such as code completion, library reference, code highlighting, code folding, multiple document interface, etc. Compiled languages need a compiler. Cooperation between the compiler and the text editor is done in an IDE. That's what the I in _Integrated_ Development Environment means. If you don't need to integrate with anything (specifically, a compiler) then you don't need an integrated development environment. The point I was trying to make which I apparently didn't do very well was that the need for an IDE has nothing to do with whether the language you're using is compiled or interpreted, but instead with what you want from your development tools. You can develop with C++ without an IDE in exactly the same way as you can with PHP. All you're doing is replacing the PHP interpreter with a C++ compiler. That extra tool is still needed, but integration with an editor is entirely optional. And thanks for the tasty eggs! -Stut -- http://stut.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
2008/8/28 Dan Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, while that is true about compiling, you're forgetting about other things inside of an IDE, such as debugging. Yes, you can just pull up a web browser or run the script at command line, but the debugger also has the stepping features and break points that can make debugging a whole lot easier and quicker. Dan, you are right. A debugger most certainly makes it an IDE. As I don't use a debugger I never really paid attention to their existence. I stand corrected. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
2008/8/28 Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And thanks for the tasty eggs! Eggs? I've obviously missed something. So long, and thanks for all the fish! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
That's an opinion that you state as fact. I use an IDE for PHP for function referencing is very PHP. The open declaration feature is very helpful in eclipse. Also, subeclipse is great too. Thank you, Micah Gersten onShore Networks Internal Developer http://www.onshore.com Dotan Cohen wrote: Non-compiled languages need only a text editor. Text editors have features such as code completion, library reference, code highlighting, code folding, multiple document interface, etc. Compiled languages need a compiler. Cooperation between the compiler and the text editor is done in an IDE. That's what the I in _Integrated_ Development Environment means. If you don't need to integrate with anything (specifically, a compiler) then you don't need an integrated development environment. This question comes up so often it's painful, but I don't think I've ever actually answered it. I use TextMate most of the time, Coda for remote projects and occasionally Zend Studio when I need to step through code. I've also gone through phases of using vi, vim, pico, nano, emacs, epsilon, kate, notepad(!), notepad2, aptana, eclipse, and many more I can't remember. It's text, use what works for you. I've also rarely answered this question, and I don't know why I spoke up today. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
2008/8/28 Micah Gersten [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's an opinion that you state as fact. You must be new here :) -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
I've been on the list for over a month and I post quite a bit. I do the same thing apparently. See 'Re: [PHP] Re: Variable name as a string' thread. :-) Thank you, Micah Gersten onShore Networks Internal Developer http://www.onshore.com Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/8/28 Micah Gersten [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That's an opinion that you state as fact. You must be new here :)
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
2008/8/28 Micah Gersten [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You must be new here :) I've been on the list for over a month and I post quite a bit. It is an internet meme for those who express surprise at some old internet habits. Probably most familiar to readers of /.. It was meant as an in-joke, with absolutely no offense intended. Quite the opposite, it is most often said to veterans. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
Shelley a écrit : Though vim is not a so-called IDE, actually it's quite handy. Actually, it is. An IDE is a glue between a set of tools. Vim provides every services you need, and it is scriptable. -- Mickaël Wolff aka Lupus Michaelis http://lupusmic.org -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
I really like zend studio for eclipse, debugger is slow at times on large projects. I hope, zend said they won't, is provide xdebug support for zend studio. I also really like working with mylyn. --Brendon On Aug 27, 2008, at 1:06 AM, Sascha Braun wrote: Hi people, I have a webproject which is round about 3 GB in size. I was usually using eclipse to work with the software but over time eclipse became very instable regarding that project. As soon as I open classes with 2000 or more lines of code in it, an out of memory error occours. So I need a new IDE for linux. Please tell me which IDE might be a true alternative for projects at that size. Thank you friends, kind regards, Sascha -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
use Aptana its awesome and free as well. thanks On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Micah Gersten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much RAM do you have? Eclipse is a great IDE. Have you upgraded to 3.4? Thank you, Micah Gersten onShore Networks Internal Developer http://www.onshore.com Sascha Braun wrote: Hi people, I have a webproject which is round about 3 GB in size. I was usually using eclipse to work with the software but over time eclipse became very instable regarding that project. As soon as I open classes with 2000 or more lines of code in it, an out of memory error occours. So I need a new IDE for linux. Please tell me which IDE might be a true alternative for projects at that size. Thank you friends, kind regards, Sascha -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
VamVan wrote: use Aptana its awesome and free as well. thanks And it's Eclipse as well :-) -Shawn -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP IDE needed
How much RAM do you have? Eclipse is a great IDE. Have you upgraded to 3.4? Thank you, Micah Gersten onShore Networks Internal Developer http://www.onshore.com Sascha Braun wrote: Hi people, I have a webproject which is round about 3 GB in size. I was usually using eclipse to work with the software but over time eclipse became very instable regarding that project. As soon as I open classes with 2000 or more lines of code in it, an out of memory error occours. So I need a new IDE for linux. Please tell me which IDE might be a true alternative for projects at that size. Thank you friends, kind regards, Sascha -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
