Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-14 Thread mm w
Noe that the debuger chapter is closed, and you actually did create a error tracker helper and try to return them client side, I can understand that you are frustrated by the poor php layer and support regarding exception handling, but on this point as a lot of people answer you we are doing that

Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-14 Thread mm w
Hello Andrea, I did not mean to hurt you, my point was: beeing a Jerk when it's ending in void conflicts with people, if you don't like their comments, just don't answer to people. For my concern, a program cannot be debuged by itself (especially with a scripting language, we almost did a joke

Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-14 Thread tedd
At 7:28 AM +0200 9/14/09, J DeBord wrote: In all fairness Tedd, your example is a bit of a joke. Send some JSON back and forth, do some database queries, and use a webservice all at the same time. Your AJAX calls won't be so simple then. Okay, so my work is a joke. Been there, done that

RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-14 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
While it's a joke, in all fairness, it does work. only because you debugged before server side responses, and now, as I have said, you have an alternative to speed up that process. Finally, Formaldehyde JS had a typo so only today I realized it and I uploaded the version 1.01 of

RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-14 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
While it's a joke, in all fairness, it does work. only because you debugged before server side responses, and now, as I have said, you have an alternative to speed up that process. Finally, Formaldehyde JS had a typo so only today I realized it and I uploaded the version 1.01 of

RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-13 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
That I created some fresh air or something new? Sure, thanks Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 11:47:27 -0700 From: li...@cmsws.com To: an_...@hotmail.com CC: pa...@quillandmouse.com; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger Andrea

RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-13 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Jim Lucas li...@cmsws.com wrote: Andrea Giammarchi wrote: something I cannot find in any other library or framework. This should tell you something

Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-13 Thread Paul M Foster
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 01:33:49PM +0200, Andrea Giammarchi wrote: snip This ML is a bit different from what I was expecting, snip P.S. I am certified Zend Engineer with 10 years of experience with PHP and dunno how many innovation awards in phpclasses.org ... so it was not just to

Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-13 Thread Eddie Drapkin
What does this offer that a real debugger, like xdebug, doesn't? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-13 Thread mm w
: jasdeb...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:37:01 +0200 To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Jim Lucas li...@cmsws.com wrote: Andrea Giammarchi wrote: something I cannot find in any

RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-13 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
Hello Andrea, I am developing with PHP since now 12 years (did a couple stuff in Zend Core), and was one of a few guy using and sharing about php when it was only an THE Apache mode in the world C++ CGI, I am not Zend Certified, I won't :), anyway those things make me smarter or give me

RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-13 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
, that IS what I was expecting Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:52:11 -0400 From: oorza...@gmail.com To: pa...@quillandmouse.com CC: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger What does this offer that a real debugger, like xdebug, doesn't

Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-13 Thread Eddie Drapkin
) Best Regards P.S. for others ... these kind of answers, questions, opinions, that IS what I was expecting Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:52:11 -0400 From: oorza...@gmail.com To: pa...@quillandmouse.com CC: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax

RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-13 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
Right, errors should never be exposed, and error_reporting should be 0 in production but log function and the fact you can move Formaldehyde with the application means it does not require extra effort. In few words, if in production Formaldehyde constant is false, and it must be false,

RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-13 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
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Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-13 Thread Eddie Drapkin
Right, errors should never be exposed, and error_reporting should be 0 in production but log function and the fact you can move Formaldehyde with the application means it does not require extra effort. No, display_errors should be turned off (with log_errors turned on) and error_reporting

RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-13 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
No, display_errors should be turned off (with log_errors turned on) and error_reporting should be set to whatever standard you're coding to (preferably, E_ALL | E_STRICT, but a lot of people like to ignore E_NOTICE's). yep, it should be a production environment So it's not zero

RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-13 Thread tedd
At 10:49 PM +0200 9/13/09, Andrea Giammarchi wrote: I was expecting somebody that develop massive Ajax application, not a link with 3 pages and zero point about the reply. You asked if anyone did any ajax? So, I replied and provided you with an example. Who cares if my example only has

Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-13 Thread J DeBord
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 2:05 AM, tedd tedd.sperl...@gmail.com wrote: At 10:49 PM +0200 9/13/09, Andrea Giammarchi wrote: I was expecting somebody that develop massive Ajax application, not a link with 3 pages and zero point about the reply. You asked if anyone did any ajax? So, I replied

Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-12 Thread kranthi
I dont think I understood you completely.. Javascript debugger: Something you use to debug javascript. but Formaldehyde dosent make any seance if xhr object is not used. PHP Debugger: We cant use Formaldehyde to debug errors in every single PHP script. I am talking about pages called directly via

Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-12 Thread kranthi
@Andera May be you should consider using application/json as the content type instead of text/plain. The Response text given by  Formaldehyde cannot be understood manually (for example if I use jQuery.load()). Had the content type been application/json firebug parses it by default my

RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-12 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
, and how Formaldehyde manage *any* *kind* of *php* *error*, something I cannot find in any other library or framework. Regards Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:20:58 -0400 From: pa...@quillandmouse.com To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP

RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-12 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
: kranthi...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 11:39:43 +0530 To: pa...@quillandmouse.com CC: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger I dont think I understood you completely.. Javascript debugger: Something you use to debug

RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-12 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
as margin note, the project page changed name, hopefully less ambiguous: Formandehyde - Zero Config Ajax Based PHP Error Debugger Regards _ Drag n’ drop—Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos.

RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-12 Thread tedd
At 12:20 AM +0200 9/12/09, Andrea Giammarchi wrote: Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:37:30 -0400 To: an_...@hotmail.com; php-general@lists.php.net From: tedd.sperl...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger The only things that may go wrong

Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-12 Thread Jim Lucas
Andrea Giammarchi wrote: something I cannot find in any other library or framework. This should tell you something then... -- Jim Lucas Some men are born to greatness, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them. Twelfth Night, Act II, Scene V by William

Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-12 Thread J DeBord
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Jim Lucas li...@cmsws.com wrote: Andrea Giammarchi wrote: something I cannot find in any other library or framework. This should tell you something then... If something like Formandehyde isn't useful, then why is Charles so popular (note: popular from my

RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-11 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
...@hotmail.com; php-general@lists.php.net From: tedd.sperl...@gmail.com Subject: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger At 11:35 PM +0200 9/10/09, Andrea Giammarchi wrote: Being something nobody thought before I was expecting some comment ... zero Ajax developers

RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-11 Thread tedd
At 3:27 PM +0200 9/11/09, Andrea Giammarchi wrote: That's a finished production site ... how did you debug during its development? 'Cause Formaldehyde is for development, not for production ... I guess you have implented your own error manager/debugger, right? What's to debug? The site --

RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-11 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger At 3:27 PM +0200 9/11/09, Andrea Giammarchi wrote: That's a finished production site ... how did you debug during its development? 'Cause Formaldehyde is for development, not for production ... I guess you have implented your own error manager/debugger, right

RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-11 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
me the scenario is totally different. Regards Subject: RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger From: a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk To: tedd.sperl...@gmail.com CC: an_...@hotmail.com; php-general@lists.php.net Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:39:12 +0100 On Fri, 2009

RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-11 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 10:35 -0400, tedd wrote: At 3:27 PM +0200 9/11/09, Andrea Giammarchi wrote: That's a finished production site ... how did you debug during its development? 'Cause Formaldehyde is for development, not for production ... I guess you have implented your own error

Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-11 Thread Bipin Upadhyay
, 'cause here seems nobody i susing FirePHP or frameworks debuggers while numbers tell me the scenario is totally different. Regards Subject: RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger From: a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk To: tedd.sperl...@gmail.com CC: an_

RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-11 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
: muxical.g...@gmail.com To: an_...@hotmail.com CC: a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk; tedd.sperl...@gmail.com; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger I do use FirePHP and your project looks interesting to evaluate. Will check it out

RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-11 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:37:30 -0400 To: an_...@hotmail.com; php-general@lists.php.net From: tedd.sperl...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger The only things that may go wrong are in the data I am sending to the ajax routine

RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-11 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
, and hopefully useful. Regards Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:43:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger From: bdun...@agentintellect.com To: tedd.sperl...@gmail.com CC: an_...@hotmail.com; php-general@lists.php.net Examine this: http://webbytedd.com

Re: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

2009-09-11 Thread Paul M Foster
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 12:23:44AM +0200, Andrea Giammarchi wrote: Exactly Ben, except when PHP fails, even with a Fatal Error, the page has status 200, we need to understand which call failed between hundreds of potential calls in the debugger, and errors could pass silently. With