Right. Lets not split the list. I already follow too many lists, if this 
was split I would feel I needed to follow both.

On 2002.01.18 20:05:48 -0600 Miles Thompson wrote:
> If anyone wants to pursue this, here's the thread.
> 
> I do not believe the list should be split, although there is a mix of 
> new and advanced questions.  Although the some of these are best 
> answered by an RTFM and a reference to a tutorial, the newcomer benefits 
> by exposure to advanced concepts and topics.
> 
> The list receives posts related to database and installation questions, 
> although there are lists for those.
> 
> There is a relatively high level of cross-posting between the general 
> and db lists. If general was split into newcomer and advanced, I believe 
> cross posting would increase.
> 
> Newcomers do need help; who will read and support them on the newcomers 
> list? Traffic will tend to migrate to the advanced list.
> 
> Many of these questions argue for a FAQ, yet we have a lot of rich and 
> informative tutorial resources, and an excellent, on-line, annotated 
> manual. One suggestion I would have in this regard would be to feature 
> "Tutorials" link much more prominently on the php index page.
> 
> My premise for that last sentence was the relatively small "Links" tag 
> on the top right hand of that page. Thinking that maybe I should look 
> again, just to be sure, what did I find?
> 
> 1. Under the "What IS PHP?" heading, a link to a rudimentary tutorial 6 
> lines down in the opening paragraph.
> 2. Links to the manual and to the links page within the same paragraph.
> 3. At the end of the introductory tutorial a link to the links page.
> 4. Within the links page, links to other tutorials, script resources, 
> PHP information in other languages, etc.
> 
> *WOW*, what a rich resource, all free, with information of incredible 
> depth! How many other languages, have such a library of references and 
> tips to hand? All this for a language which was announced to the world 
> on June 8, 1995?
> 
> Conclusions?
> 
> 1. Don't split the list.
> 2. Maybe change RTFM to WEHAVAGEM (WE HAVe A Grand Extensive Manual), 
> did you read the bit on ...?

How about PTRM (Peruse The Remarkable Manuscript)? 
> 3. Keep a list of tutorials to hand on: Databases and Normalization, SQL 
> Queries, Basic PHP techniques.
> 4. I believe Rasmus Lerdorf should be nominated for the Order of Canada.
> 
> It's the end of the week. Let's not wrangle too much over this, but 
> enjoy the weekend.
> 
> Regards - Miles
> 
> 
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