Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: some remaining new doc style issues

2004-09-02 Thread Gabor Hojtsy
| You seem to suggest two things in your mail: | - the scripts on phpdoc.info were not supposed to be publicly announced | - the scripts on phpdoc.info are not supposed to be open source If you append "yet" to each of these bullets, it becomes truth. Good. Seems the dust is settling, and efforts

Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: some remaining new doc style issues

2004-09-02 Thread Sean Coates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Allow me to apologize for sounding much more harsh than intended. I don't have a lot of time today, so this will be brief, but: - - I didn't intend to hide any of the tools. _my_ few tools are not ready to be committed, and I don't even know if docbot s

Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: some remaining new doc style issues

2004-09-02 Thread Gabor Hojtsy
Hi Sean, Let me start to react from the end of your mail, where you have written: | Note: I've also written a factoid bot that sits on #phpdoc that wasn't | linked above, it's tied into [PHP-DOC] and alerts us to commits, as | well. I hope I won't be shamed for that, too. This seems to suggest that

Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: some remaining new doc style issues

2004-09-01 Thread Mehdi Achour
As far as the server situation, I am way out of the loop on that but AFAICT one group started and for various reasons failed so it's time to move on to the next. In other words, use Jacques server. This is the same for a PHP mirror, once it's moved to another server that's it. +1 .. I'm really

Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: some remaining new doc style issues

2004-09-01 Thread Gabor Hojtsy
Not bad as is! ;) Well, since it is not a note semantically, I don't think we would need to have a note. Otherwise using the para variant, all the versions seem to look quite acceptable. Looking at these real list presentations, I wonder if it better useabilitywise, if we put the list items on

Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: some remaining new doc style issues

2004-09-01 Thread Gabor Hojtsy
Not bad as is! ;) Well, since it is not a note semantically, I don't think we would need to have a note. Otherwise using the para variant, all the versions seem to look quite acceptable. Looking at these real list presentations, I wonder if it better useabilitywise, if we put the list items on a

Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: some remaining new doc style issues

2004-09-01 Thread Philip Olson
> > Not bad as is! ;) > > Well, since it is not a note semantically, I don't think we would need > to have a note. Otherwise using the para variant, all the versions seem > to look quite acceptable. Looking at these real list presentations, I > wonder if it better useabilitywise, if we put the

Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: some remaining new doc style issues

2004-09-01 Thread Philip Olson
As far as the phpdoc.info stuff goes, this all came about through the active #phpdoc channel on freenode. Many of us work together on various tasks so various people created tools. I see it as a testing ground for docweb but the docweb situation is unknown right now so until it's figured out we

Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: some remaining new doc style issues

2004-09-01 Thread Sean Coates
(please don't take any of my paragraph replies as a whole) Gabor Hojtsy wrote: It is somewhat positive to see so many people doing things, but it is quite satiric to see that there is no common way, and everyone comes up with his own solutions. I can't speak for the others, but I think I've clea

Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: some remaining new doc style issues

2004-09-01 Thread Gabor Hojtsy
Here's something to get started with: Patch: * http://boogle.com/tmp/simplelist-patch.txt Livedocs output: * http://livedocs.phpdoc.info/index.php?l=en&q=function.exif-read-data DSSSL output: * http://boogle.com/tmp/simplelist-dsssl.html XSLT output: * http://boogle.com/tmp/

Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: some remaining new doc style issues

2004-09-01 Thread Philip Olson
> > (a) See Also format > > > > Everyone agrees that clean markup is better than manually entering > > commas and and's (or entities) but how or when will this be > > implemented? It would be nice to have this done before moving to > > the new style, I can't tell if this is what you mean. >

Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: some remaining new doc style issues

2004-09-01 Thread Gabor Hojtsy
Could someone please collect all the sites already set up with docweb stuff, wikis, pepr copies, livedocs and stuff, so we don't continue with more sites getting up and going down? It would be nice to summarize the situationon [EMAIL PROTECTED] I must admit I am getting to loose the picture (wh

Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: some remaining new doc style issues

2004-09-01 Thread Gabor Hojtsy
(b) Parameter listing information The parameter listing lives within a variable list, and information such as reference, type, and optional all live within the methodsynopsis. The idea is to have the parser extract the information from methodsynopsis and insert said information into the varia

Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: some remaining new doc style issues

2004-09-01 Thread Philip Olson
> > There are a few, the exif docs already use it. And they > > also live within the unofficial official phpdoc wiki: > > > > http://wiki.phpdoc.info/DocSkel/FunctionskeletonDotXml/ > > Could someone please collect all the sites already set up with docweb > stuff, wikis, pepr copies, livedo

Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: some remaining new doc style issues

2004-09-01 Thread Gabor Hojtsy
Do you feel this should holdup the new doc style? As far as I see there are three remaining items: (a) See Also format Everyone agrees that clean markup is better than manually entering commas and and's (or entities) but how or when will this be implemented? It would be nice to have this done

Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: some remaining new doc style issues

2004-09-01 Thread Gabor Hojtsy
There are a few, the exif docs already use it. And they also live within the unofficial official phpdoc wiki: http://wiki.phpdoc.info/DocSkel/FunctionskeletonDotXml/ Could someone please collect all the sites already set up with docweb stuff, wikis, pepr copies, livedocs and stuff, so we don'

Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: some remaining new doc style issues

2004-09-01 Thread Philip Olson
> > (a) See Also format > > > > print > echo > > > > That looks fine to me! Now all that's needed is for it to work :) > > (b) Parameter listing information > > Really good idea, but the structure is not explained clearly. > > Care to write an example? There are a few,

Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: some remaining new doc style issues

2004-09-01 Thread Aidan Lister
> (a) See Also format print echo That looks fine to me! > (b) Parameter listing information Really good idea, but the structure is not explained clearly. Care to write an example?

Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: some remaining new doc style issues

2004-08-31 Thread Philip Olson
> Now that we can give more thought to it, it is clearly visible that a > markup-rich solution is better, which shows us the structure of the > list. For see also lists, the role would enable DSSSL and XSLT sheets to > find out how the list items need to be separated and how the last item > ne

Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: some remaining new doc style issues

2004-08-31 Thread Gabor Hojtsy
Hi, This has been discussed many times with many dead ends. Here are some see also threads: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=phpdoc&m=100894842011360 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=phpdoc&m=101051061316162 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=phpdoc&m=105601918607181 One structure that was propos

Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: some remaining new doc style issues

2004-08-22 Thread Philip Olson
> I agree with everything except the seealso. > > Let's formalise it and let XSL do the hard work. > > We can make a simplelist, or find some relevant docbook tag, sticking the > entity in is a bit dirty. This has been discussed many times with many dead ends. Here are some see also threads:

Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: some remaining new doc style issues

2004-08-22 Thread Aidan Lister
I agree with everything except the seealso. Let's formalise it and let XSL do the hard work. We can make a simplelist, or find some relevant docbook tag, sticking the entity in is a bit dirty.

Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: some remaining new doc style issues

2004-08-22 Thread Gabor Hojtsy
A few concerns: a) What sort of changes should be included when moving to thenew doc style? * Should we include Whitespace changes? I'd say yes. Let's clean everything at once, we don't want to add more work for the translators. All agreed! * No content changes! (Don't follow my exif exam