Re: [PHPTAL] PHPTAL and form macros
Hello, Am 23.08.2010 23:12, schrieb romtek: For me, the biggest benefit of using PHPTAL is being able to view the code in WYSIWYG programs. Having a template system in which there are many macros calling each other on several levels defeats this purpose. I think that in some cases using pure PHP code may be a better way. The topic being discussed in this thread seems to fall into this category. In general I fully agree. One thing being absolut nice in PHPTAL is that a template is basically just some enriched XHTML. On the other hand forms make up a good amount of real life work, and the PHPTAL template easily gets quite complex/ugly when you need to create a select with option and at the same time mark the correct entry with selected=selected. So having some macros/shotcuts for this pupose seems to be quite a reasonable feature-request. Currently I guess everyone is tackling this issue with his own flavor, having a common approach would be quite nice. Another similar problem is the requirement of having some hashes and additional data that is calculated based on the active form-fields and controller-settings (prior and next action, required fields, ...). This data needs to be added in hidden-fields. For calculation it needs to know which form elements with which names are contained in the form. I'd really like to have an easy mechnismen in PHPTAL to accomplish this. Until now I didn't find a really comfortable approach on getting this done. Greets, Peter ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal
Re: [PHPTAL] PHPTAL and form macros
For me, the biggest benefit of using PHPTAL is being able to view the code in WYSIWYG programs. Having a template system in which there are many macros calling each other on several levels defeats this purpose. I think that in some cases using pure PHP code may be a better way. The topic being discussed in this thread seems to fall into this category. I'd like to see others' opinions on this. Roman ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal
Re: [PHPTAL] PHPTAL and form macros
Hi all,
Well, we here at Namesco are working hard to get a release package together for
the Zend/PHPTal integration 'glue' we've developed for our own internal
codebase (which we've called ZTal) and this has full integration with
Zend_Form. As such it includes a large number of macros for rendering different
form elements - although, of course, they expect to be given a Zend_Form object
:) Even if you are not using Zend it should be reasonably easy to re-use the
macros :)
The code is ready but the documentation is rather lacking so at a guess I'd say
it will be a few days before we release. I'll obviously let everyone know when
everything is live :)
Robert
On 2 Aug 2010, at 19:27, Richard Dyce wrote:
Hi,
Just a pre-re-invent-the-wheel inquiry... Does anyone have an example of
macros for formatting form fields in phptal?
I have an older framework which create field objects based on the data and
type, and populates them from a simple array:
e.g.
?php
$fields = array(
'id'= array('label'='', 'type'='hidden', 'value'=2),
'name' = array('label'='Name', 'type'='text', 'value'='John Smith'),
'user'= array('label'='Owner', 'type'='select',
'valuelist'=array(1,2,3), 'value'=2)
);
?
It seems daft me to duplicate the logic twice over, and it appears that
phptal might be able to handle it with some repeats and templating. But
before I tie myself in knots over this, has anyone already done it, or tried
it and found the gotcha ;-)
Thanks,
R
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Re: [PHPTAL] PHPTAL and form macros
Robert, That sounds very interesting, I'll look forward to seeing it. I've had a few private emails from people suggesting php pre-rendering with structures, or using Zend Forms. I thought I should make it clear that the reason that I'm not looking to go down that path is that that's where I've come from. (The framework I've been using has 'foxels' analagous to pixels, which are form elements that can be built using array specs, but which have renderers for html, xml and json.) This makes it really easy to create lots of forms where there aren't isn't the need for heavy single-form specific coding. The benefit I see of doing it this way is that it makes it easier to create highly complex one-off forms within the system using specific templates, but to have a generalised forms to hand for most of the rest... without having to change the backend logic. Hope that's as clear as mud... On 3 Aug 2010, at 08:39, Robert Goldsmith wrote: Hi all, Well, we here at Namesco are working hard to get a release package together for the Zend/PHPTal integration 'glue' we've developed for our own internal codebase (which we've called ZTal) and this has full integration with Zend_Form. As such it includes a large number of macros for rendering different form elements - although, of course, they expect to be given a Zend_Form object :) Even if you are not using Zend it should be reasonably easy to re-use the macros :) The code is ready but the documentation is rather lacking so at a guess I'd say it will be a few days before we release. I'll obviously let everyone know when everything is live :) Robert ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal
Re: [PHPTAL] PHPTAL and form macros
Hi :) I know exactly where you're coming from and the reason we've re-worked both Zend Views and Zend Forms is specifically to both separate template from php and to make the use of the modules such as Zend Form much more optional :) Within Zend, Form and View are a weird (and not, in my opinion, very MVC) mix of php and html and if you use a View or a Form you are pretty much stuck with doing things the 'Zend' way. Our take is to replace Zend View entirely with PHPTal and split Zend Form into 2 parts - the logic and the rendering. The logic for Zend Form is the same as in 'normal' Zend and validation and filtering of form elements works as expected. The rendering has been moved to PHPTal and you simply hand a Zend Form instance to a top-level macro to actually do the rendering. If at any point you wish to render a form manually or create a compatible alternative to Zend Form for your own needs this is all possible. It is also possible to specify an alternative macro for individual form elements to override the default - if you wish to do things slightly different for just one form or just one element :) As a side note, we've also integrated Zend_Translate support into PHPTal and created a number of Tales to support plural translations and rendering various Zend elements such as Dates. Robert On 3 Aug 2010, at 09:34, Richard Dyce wrote: Robert, That sounds very interesting, I'll look forward to seeing it. I've had a few private emails from people suggesting php pre-rendering with structures, or using Zend Forms. I thought I should make it clear that the reason that I'm not looking to go down that path is that that's where I've come from. (The framework I've been using has 'foxels' analagous to pixels, which are form elements that can be built using array specs, but which have renderers for html, xml and json.) This makes it really easy to create lots of forms where there aren't isn't the need for heavy single-form specific coding. The benefit I see of doing it this way is that it makes it easier to create highly complex one-off forms within the system using specific templates, but to have a generalised forms to hand for most of the rest... without having to change the backend logic. Hope that's as clear as mud... On 3 Aug 2010, at 08:39, Robert Goldsmith wrote: Hi all, Well, we here at Namesco are working hard to get a release package together for the Zend/PHPTal integration 'glue' we've developed for our own internal codebase (which we've called ZTal) and this has full integration with Zend_Form. As such it includes a large number of macros for rendering different form elements - although, of course, they expect to be given a Zend_Form object :) Even if you are not using Zend it should be reasonably easy to re-use the macros :) The code is ready but the documentation is rather lacking so at a guess I'd say it will be a few days before we release. I'll obviously let everyone know when everything is live :) Robert ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal
Re: [PHPTAL] PHPTAL and form macros
Glad to know I'm on the right track - or at least there are others out there with the same prejudices! Btw, I'm not that bothered about waiting for documentation :-))) R On 3 Aug 2010, at 09:53, Robert Goldsmith wrote: Hi :) I know exactly where you're coming from and the reason we've re-worked both Zend Views and Zend Forms is specifically to both separate template from php and to make the use of the modules such as Zend Form much more optional :) Within Zend, Form and View are a weird (and not, in my opinion, very MVC) mix of php and html and if you use a View or a Form you are pretty much stuck with doing things the 'Zend' way. Our take is to replace Zend View entirely with PHPTal and split Zend Form into 2 parts - the logic and the rendering. The logic for Zend Form is the same as in 'normal' Zend and validation and filtering of form elements works as expected. The rendering has been moved to PHPTal and you simply hand a Zend Form instance to a top-level macro to actually do the rendering. If at any point you wish to render a form manually or create a compatible alternative to Zend Form for your own needs this is all possible. It is also possible to specify an alternative macro for individual form elements to override the default - if you wish to do things slightly different for just one form or just one element :) As a side note, we've also integrated Zend_Translate support into PHPTal and created a number of Tales to support plural translations and rendering various Zend elements such as Dates. Robert On 3 Aug 2010, at 09:34, Richard Dyce wrote: Robert, That sounds very interesting, I'll look forward to seeing it. I've had a few private emails from people suggesting php pre-rendering with structures, or using Zend Forms. I thought I should make it clear that the reason that I'm not looking to go down that path is that that's where I've come from. (The framework I've been using has 'foxels' analagous to pixels, which are form elements that can be built using array specs, but which have renderers for html, xml and json.) This makes it really easy to create lots of forms where there aren't isn't the need for heavy single-form specific coding. The benefit I see of doing it this way is that it makes it easier to create highly complex one-off forms within the system using specific templates, but to have a generalised forms to hand for most of the rest... without having to change the backend logic. Hope that's as clear as mud... On 3 Aug 2010, at 08:39, Robert Goldsmith wrote: Hi all, Well, we here at Namesco are working hard to get a release package together for the Zend/PHPTal integration 'glue' we've developed for our own internal codebase (which we've called ZTal) and this has full integration with Zend_Form. As such it includes a large number of macros for rendering different form elements - although, of course, they expect to be given a Zend_Form object :) Even if you are not using Zend it should be reasonably easy to re-use the macros :) The code is ready but the documentation is rather lacking so at a guess I'd say it will be a few days before we release. I'll obviously let everyone know when everything is live :) Robert ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal ___ PHPTAL mailing list PHPTAL@lists.motion-twin.com http://lists.motion-twin.com/mailman/listinfo/phptal
