Re: PicoLisp License

2008-06-27 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Alexander Burger wrote: The normal use, however, writing applications in Lisp, is surely OK. Then you can distribute the PicoLisp interpreter as you like, in binary or source form (I'm not sure, but probly it is even sufficient to provide the customer with a link where he can download the

Re: picoLisp-3.0 is ready

2009-10-07 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Thanks a lot! :-D On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:01:27 +0200, Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: Hi friends, the picoLisp-3.0 release is finally availabe! :-) I released it today, one week later than intended. But I wanted to clean it up as far as possible, and fix all known bugs in

Re: Re: Cygwin 1.7.5: Problem with dlopen and relative path

2010-04-29 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Some things you don't bring from Windows. Then you bring Unix to Windows instead. There is a market for it, or Cygwin nor Services For Unix would not exist. (Services For Unix being Microsofts strange name for their Cygwin-like offering.) On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 04:32:07PM +0200, Henrik

Re: PL vs. BSD License

2010-08-02 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 08:29:52AM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: Hi all, as this discussion popped up recently and in the past, and will surely pop up in the future: What do you think if PicoLisp were released under the BSD license instead of GPL? I would love it. I could imagine embedding

Re: documentation license?

2010-08-11 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:25:40 +0800, Edwin Eyan Moragas e...@yndy.org wrote: I think the documentation is tightly coupled and in sync with the code, so I felt that it should be under the same license as the code. I always thought one of the Creative Commons licenses are better suited for

Re: documentation license?

2010-08-11 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:04:14 +0200, Jakob Eriksson ja...@vmlinux.org wrote: On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:25:40 +0800, Edwin Eyan Moragas e...@yndy.org wrote: I think the documentation is tightly coupled and in sync with the code, so I felt that it should be under the same license as the code

Re: documentation license?

2010-08-11 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:39:43 +0200, Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: What would be the advantage if the documentation is under a separate license? And what if we change the GPL of the code to BSD or MIT, wouldn't it be much more clear and simple if also the docs were BSD or

Re: picolisp in java

2010-10-04 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Totally awesome! I have for a long time wanted Picolisp on other platforms. I think the best thing about Picolisp is the language itself, not its current libraries. Thank you! // Jakob On 10/04/2010 09:40 AM, Tomas Hlavaty wrote: Hi Alex, I have published my implementation of picolisp in

Re: picolisp in java

2010-10-07 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On 10/06/2010 10:04 PM, Tomas Hlavaty wrote: Hi Alex, Perhaps 'fork' can be simulated by copying all runtime variables to a thread? not sure whether that's enough. The semantics is completely different, what about open files and so on? Is it necessary to go that far in terms of

Re: Announce: ErsatzLisp (Java PicoLisp)

2010-10-31 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 07:07:01PM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: Hi all, the Java version of PicoLisp, which is part of the testing release since a few weeks, is now in a state where I dare to say that the language is usable (just the plain language). Very cool! In the near future I

Re: Announce: ErsatzLisp (Java PicoLisp)

2010-11-05 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On 11/05/2010 10:56 AM, Alexander Burger wrote: Too bad. Is there no up-to-date JRE available for the Mac? Should be: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2315116tstart=1 http://www.piranhamethod.com/2010/04/installing-jre-1-6-on-your-mac-os-x-leopard-10-5-8-or-later/ // Jakob

Re: Done! -- Was: Announce: ErsatzLisp (Java PicoLisp)

2010-11-12 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On 11/12/2010 08:04 PM, Alexander Burger wrote: [...] Done! I do now consider Ersatz PicoLisp complete :) Totally cool! I consider the main benefit that we have a PicoLisp in Java, which we need to be hype compliant. :) // Jakob -- UNSUBSCRIBE:

Re: Announce: ErsatzLisp (Java PicoLisp)

2010-11-18 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On 11/17/2010 06:13 PM, Alexander Burger wrote: But more important is that this would require quite a mess of code, analog to what is there for getting the values of public fields. If you look at lines 99 through 142 of ersatz/fun.src (actual version), you see a lot of tedious type

Re: java proxy

2010-12-03 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 09:00:04AM +0100, Alexander Burger wrote: Hi Tomas, Why does your code (java Label 'addMouseListener (interface java.awt.event.MouseListener 'mouseClicked '((Ev) (setq Dir (if (= 1 Dir) 12 1))) 'mouseEntered nil

ErzatsLisp J2ME?

2011-01-18 Thread Jakob Eriksson
I just thought about this: could ErzatsLisp run on J2ME in a meaningful way? Or at all? I don't think J2ME has reflection. best regards, Jakob -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe

Re: PicoLisp and Arrays

2011-02-22 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 08:31:43AM +0100, Alexander Burger wrote: So, again, thanks to you all for the support! I don't have to defend that design decision in the future again! :) With new users, this will come up over and over again. But now there is sort of a FAQ to point to. // Jakob --

Re: Darwin Port for 64-bit PicoLisp

2011-02-23 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 03:20:34PM +0100, Alexander Burger wrote: Hi all, the Darwin entries in src64/Makefile are pretty useless, as the port was never completed. It doesn't build as we have no input from the Mac community concerning the position-independent code format. If nobody has

Re: Darwin Port for 64-bit PicoLisp

2011-02-23 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 05:17:10PM +0100, Jakob Eriksson wrote: It's not that bad, but it could be better documented. Here is what I could find: http://orangejuiceliberationfront.com/intel-assembler-on-mac-os-x/ And this: http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/DeveloperTools

Re: autogenerated keys for pilog

2011-03-31 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 09:57:06AM +0800, Edwin Eyan Moragas wrote: Hi List, what's the best way to go about autogenerated keys for Pilog? i've been digging around a bit and can't find anything related. hints and pointers would be most appreciated. thank you. Hi! I have copied your

Re: Announce: PowerPC Port for 64-bit PicoLisp

2011-04-27 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Wow! This is amazing! Great work. I have asked before, but forgot the answer. Is what we like to call 64-bit picolisp also portable to 32-bit CPUs? Or would it take a kludge of some sort? best regards, Jakob On 4/27/11 1:02 PM, Alexander Burger wrote: Hi all, 64-bit PicoLisp now also

PicoLisp 68000

2011-05-31 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Alexander, do you have the sources for 68000 PicoLisp, and if you do, is it anything like current PicoLisp? The reason why I am asking is that I am somewhat involved in an Amiga clone (Natami) which has its own CPU implementation, and I was going to use miniPicoLisp on it, but then remembered

Porting minipicolisp

2011-06-09 Thread Jakob Eriksson
I ported miniPicolisp to Amiga with GCC. I had to fix one include and change to a cross compiler in the makefile. However, -falign-functions did not exist in that version of GCC. And sure enough, while it built, it would not run, dying on the assertion giveup(Unaligned Function);. Any ideas? Why

Re: Porting minipicolisp

2011-06-09 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On 6/9/11 10:50 AM, dexen deVries wrote: Any ideas? Why does alignment matter? Not sure if it'll help at all, but there has been a similar discussion in the past: http://www.mail-archive.com/picolisp@software-lab.de/msg01909.html Thank you! Now that I looked at that discussion, I seem to

Re: 64-bit problem on Mac

2011-06-16 Thread Jakob Eriksson
I thougt PicoLisp used its' own assembler? On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:24:05AM +0200, Jon Kleiser wrote: Hi, I wanted to look at the old problem of building 64-bit PicoLisp on Mac OS X. Assemblers are far from what I usually play with, but at least I'd like to spend a few hours today on

Re: pilog question

2011-07-04 Thread Jakob Eriksson
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6571200/pilog-assertion On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 12:26:46AM -0700, Doug Snead wrote: Consider these five pilog assertions. (be do ((Question @P) @S @S) (holds @P @S)) (be holds (@A @S) (restoreSitArg @A @S @F) (2 cons (- @F))) (be On (3 s0))

Re: android picolisp using ndk/jni

2011-07-07 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 03:33:03PM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: Yeah, I always felt that Ersatz (or Java in general) is not the right thing. It's perfect for bootstrapping. That it is. // Jakob -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe

Re: The PicoLisp Ticker

2011-07-15 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 09:58:59AM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: Hi all, let me share my funny experiences about the PicoLisp Ticker, and how it is handled by Mr. Google: http://picolisp.com/5000/-2-1i.html Put a link back to picolisp.com on each ticker page. There are pretty good

Re: The PicoLisp Ticker

2011-07-15 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:45:28AM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: Hi Dexen, may I suggest adding rel=nofollow to the `Next page' link (the a tag)? I see! Didn't know about that tag. Any opinions? Should we relieve the busy bot? Or should we wait to see what happens? Will Google ban the

Re: httpGate and libssl problems

2011-08-22 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:22:29PM +0700, Henrik Sarvell wrote: Trying to compile with 32bit libc libraries installed gives me the following: ... gcc -m32 -o ../bin/ssl ssl.o -lssl -lcrypto snip I have installed every possible libssl and libssl-dev package but still no luck, what am I doing

Re: Building the full 64-bit version

2011-08-27 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 08:25:05PM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: Ah, one important point: Can we be sure that OpenBSD uses the ELF linker format? If not (e.g. the old a.out format), we might have problems similar to those on Mac OS. Yes: http://www.phiral.net/openbsdasm.htm I don't

Re: Building picolisp on Oneiric ?

2011-09-07 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 05:58:20PM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: Hmm, looking at that, it occurs to me that the order of arguments to 'gcc' might be relevant: If it first processes -ldl, and _then_ x86-64.linux.base.o, it might be too late to detect that certain functions from the library

Re: error message line numbers

2011-09-07 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 07:13:08AM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: Yes. Unfortunately we couldn't solve the problem with fcntl(), even under cygwin (don't know if the situation would be better today). But I'm afraid that there will be many other problems. Especially select(), fork() and

Re: Building the full 64-bit version

2011-09-07 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 02:39:51PM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 11:22:33AM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: Mathias used OpenBSD 5.0, and the interpreter works (at least partially). I'm not sure how we can handle such significant differences in the individual

Re: error message line numbers

2011-09-08 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 08:30:58AM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: Sure, if you consider the sheer number of installations and users. When talking about interesting segments, I meant that the major battlefields these days are either in the smartphones and tablet area, with server (cloud)

Re: error message line numbers

2011-09-08 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 16:42:22 +0700, Henrik Sarvell hsarv...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry to have to say this but these people are only real programmers if they don't target the MS stack with .NET etc, the whole WAMP, XAMPP posse are just hobbyists and not a iota of energy should be spent

Is Transactional Memory Relevant to PicoLisp?

2011-09-09 Thread Jakob Eriksson
As seen here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_transactional_memory I noticed that Common Lisp and other Lisps have support for transactional memory. I read this and became curious:

Re: Is Transactional Memory Relevant to PicoLisp?

2011-09-09 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 02:47:05PM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: Hi Jakob, As seen here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_transactional_memory ATM I cannot see how this could be useful. PicoLisp has no threads, and If you defined threads less strict, such that processes could be

Re: Is Transactional Memory Relevant to PicoLisp?

2011-09-09 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 03:57:49PM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote: On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 03:04:21PM +0200, Jakob Eriksson wrote: ATM I cannot see how this could be useful. PicoLisp has no threads, and If you defined threads less strict, such that processes could be threads, could

Re: Namespace support

2011-09-19 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 02:51:32PM +0700, Henrik Sarvell wrote: Having to write the full name all the time could easily become comical, as in my above Clojure example. This is also one of the reasons I have leaned towards +1 Imagine all the rants which could be made about code full of both

Re: PicoLisp and its (lack of) libraries

2012-01-13 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On January 13, 2012 at 12:45 PM Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: As Henrik also wrote, nobody wants to reinvent the wheel. Very true. The intention of PicoLisp is to _avoid_ writing extensive libraries, and rather use existing libs implemented in other languages. For that,

repost

2012-01-13 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On January 13, 2012 at 5:49 PM Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: As I see it, the problem of acceptance lies on a deeper level:     - Non-Lisp programmers don't like PicoLisp, _because_ it is Lisp.       Too many parentheses, and similar nonsense. Too different for       them.    

Re: PicoLisp is DEAD (Was: PicoLisp and its (lack of) libraries)

2012-01-22 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On January 22, 2012 at 8:42 AM Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: OK, I understand. The language is not useful or usable, and the Community (I count 70 members in this list) is silent.     To me it's very useful and interesting, or I would not have spent so much time making

Re: PicoLisp is DEAD (Was: PicoLisp and its (lack of) libraries)

2012-01-23 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On January 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM Jon Kleiser jon.klei...@usit.uio.no wrote:   I like having the possibility to make use of Java solutions (e.g. the   Swing GUI) from Ersatz PicoLisp, but please don't tell anyone that it   allows you to integrate with any legacy system before we have done any  

Proposal - Stack Overflow

2012-01-23 Thread Jakob Eriksson
  Dear PicoLisp interested subscribers!    Sometimes people ask questions here on the mailing list about PicoLisp programming.   Given recent discussions, I have a suggestion:   Let us all get StackOverflow accounts. (I have one.) Then, we post to this list look at this StackOverflow link - I

Core Language

2012-01-26 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On January 26, 2012 at 1:34 AM Alex Gilding alex.gild...@talktalk.net wrote: 2) Related to that, the download page describes miniPicoLisp as pure PicoLisp, supporting the full language. Is there any kind of established definition of what specifically constitutes the PicoLisp      Good

Re: ersatz - can not access a member

2012-01-28 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On January 28, 2012 at 1:18 PM Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: Hello Joe, I'm trying to write a simple java web server using the simpleframework. I'm close, but I process anything in the method handler:   And this excellent discussion is why we could say that we have

Re: pl-web, almost a web development framework

2012-01-28 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On January 28, 2012 at 10:25 AM Henrik Sarvell hsarv...@gmail.com wrote: OK so I've got a first draft of something simple. As opposed to what has been requested before this is NOT a web development framework in the sense of RoR or even Ring.     But a very nice start! :-D   //Jakob --

Re: Web app example using ersatz

2012-01-30 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On January 30, 2012 at 3:50 PM Joe Bogner joebog...@gmail.com wrote: I spent the weekend working on an example web app using ersatz. I've written it up here: http://picolisp.com/5000/!wiki?ErsatzWebApp Please let me know what you think   Awesome. I will bless it with the first bug report!

Re: Web app example using ersatz

2012-01-31 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On January 31, 2012 at 11:19 AM Joe Bogner joebog...@gmail.com wrote: worried about the security of it. Maybe if I were to pick a single mimetype, I'd go with zip or tar.gz as that's the main reason someone would upload if it's too much to paste in as a code example or to include a

Suggestion for message to passers by

2012-02-03 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Hello! Suggestion: put prominently on the picolisp.com site two things: How to sign up to this mailing list, and if you ask a question on Stackoverflow and put the picolisp tag on the question, we have people monitoring there for new picolisp questions best regards, Jakob --

Re: Google Summer of Code (GSoC) 2012

2012-02-28 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On February 28, 2012 at 11:26 AM Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: Wouldn't be the Android porting project a good candidate for the Summer of Code? Indeed it would. I would also like to see a port to VHDL or Verilog. A proof of concept PicoLisp web server running its own

Re: Google Summer of Code (GSoC) 2012

2012-03-04 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On March 3, 2012 at 10:27 PM José Romero jose.cyb...@gmail.com wrote: Things left to design are how to keep track of sessions. Picolisp's persistent process system is simple and very efficient, but there should be a filesystem fallback for CGI. It would be also very desirable to make the

Re: Google Summer of Code (GSoC) 2012

2012-03-04 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On March 3, 2012 at 11:56 PM Joe Bogner joebog...@gmail.com wrote: I guess for someone with no knowledge of picoLisp, as it relates to your proposal, why is picoLisp a good choice for web development? What would the successful completion of the proposal enable? I have some perspective but

Re: Google Summer of Code (GSoC) 2012

2012-03-04 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On March 4, 2012 at 1:07 AM José Romero jose.cyb...@gmail.com wrote: One thing I love about picolisp is it's interactivity, I can interact with a running app using the repl (and the wonderful 'edit function). The equivalence of code and data and dynamic binding help a lot to alter the

Re: Google Summer of Code (GSoC) 2012

2012-03-05 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On March 5, 2012 at 8:49 AM Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: This sounds useful. I don't know about the types of restrictions which might be imposed by such servers. It is often that you may run only a PHP script or a CGI. And the CGI can be either compiled static binary or

Re: PicoLisp assembler in JavaScript?

2012-03-06 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On March 6, 2012 at 4:10 PM Jon Kleiser jon.klei...@usit.uio.no wrote: JavaScript, so one could rip off all (or most of) the assembly code that 64-bits PL is written in? It seems like it could be a fun thing to do, at least for those who have some time available ... ;-) I think it's a

Re: PicoLisp assembler in JavaScript?

2012-03-06 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On March 6, 2012 at 6:16 PM Thorsten quintf...@googlemail.com wrote: Done, maybe Rudy should have a look if I didn't mess up his original intetions, otherwise Alex could delete the reply now. Please have a look at my picolisp in hardware suggestion. Hope I am not rambling too much, but the

Re: PicoLisp assembler in JavaScript?

2012-03-07 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On March 7, 2012 at 8:30 AM Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: Hi Jon, How many percent (very roughly) of the PicoLisp functions are depending on this 'native' function? If it's less than say 10%, one could probably find an alternative solution for these natives, or just

Re: Speedtest PicoLisp vs Emacs Lisp

2012-04-23 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On April 23, 2012 at 10:08 AM Thorsten quintf...@googlemail.com wrote: I knew something was wrong when I pasted the link, since there was a long discussiion about PicoLisp links here not so long ago - but it was already quite late when I posted so I did not investigate. Thanks for the tip.

Re: Speedtest PicoLisp vs Emacs Lisp

2012-04-23 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On April 23, 2012 at 11:41 AM Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: Hi Jakob, Which is not as it should be. Links should be linkable. Not necessarily. A login session is by definition an ephemeral situation, so its momentary state should better not be linkable. I regard this as

Re: Fwd: finding the schwerpunkt

2012-04-23 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Our Schwerpunkt could be that elusive web IDE which can be deployed on free CGI hosting and scale upwards. :) best regards, Jakob -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe

Re: In Detail: Native C Calls

2012-05-09 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On May 9, 2012 at 3:33 PM Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: Does anybody know of a programming language with an equally powerful -- yet as simple -- C function interface? Except C/C++ of course ;-) I think D has it. (D is pretty nice, it looks like C++ except the evil.) best

Re: Ubuntu mess

2012-05-29 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On May 29, 2012 at 2:04 PM Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: I've posted a bug report, asking for the upgrade, in the middle of March: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/picolisp/+bug/956731 The report mentions that the bug is filed against Ubuntu in general and not

Re: Ubuntu mess

2012-05-29 Thread Jakob Eriksson
I am not sure, but I suspect that the easiest way to get this fixed in Ubuntu 12.04 is create a point release for 3.0.8.10, for instance replacing 3.0.8.10-1 with 3.0.8.10-2 or something, with a minimal fix which only fixes the dynamic loader issue. Now, I don't know the differences between

Re: Ubuntu mess

2012-05-29 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On May 29, 2012 at 4:34 PM Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: So let's wait a little if the upgrade will happen now as the bug is finally confirmed. No, I am pretty sure that is not affecting it at all. I think you as the bug reporter need to do what the janitor code said: To

Re: PicoLisp Bible - Call for Papers

2012-07-19 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Great initiative! I will try to put something short together on how portable the very core of (mini)PicoLisp is. No promise though, but it would be fun. best regards, Jakob -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe

Re: Processing SMS in PicoLisp

2012-08-17 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On August 17, 2012 at 11:47 AM Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi List, just one curiosity - how would one write a PicoLisp application that recieves and processes (and maybe sends) SMS messages? It depends on where from you want to send and receive SMS. There are several

Re: Processing SMS in PicoLisp

2012-08-17 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On August 17, 2012 at 1:39 PM Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@googlemail.com wrote: As I wrote - the optimal solution would be no costs on my side, but rather a telecom company that charges higher prices per SMS in my name and shares profit with me. http://mosms.se/ does this in Sweden. They let

Re: Almost 2000 pages of PicoLisp

2012-08-24 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Very nice. :-) -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe

Re: New PicoLisp-Wiki major mode for GNU Emacs

2012-09-01 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Awesome Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@googlemail.com skrev: Hi List, I just published a new GNU Emacs major mode for editing files with the PicoLisp-Wiki syntax. You can either clone the gitrepo or download the el file here: ,--- |

Fast vendor response time (Was: Re: too many open files?)

2012-09-05 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Talk about fast vendor response time! On September 5, 2012 at 9:34 AM Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: Opps, I can reproduce it! And I found this is a bug in the 'dir' -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe

Re: Token read

2012-11-09 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On November 9, 2012 at 6:13 PM Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: [read changes] Any objections? On the contrary! Not that I am a daily PicoLisp user these days, but I remember stumbling over that once and being confused. The proposed behavior is better. best regards, Jakob --

Re: Conrad Barsky's Land of Lisp, in PicoLisp: wizards-game.lisp -

2013-02-20 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Plain awesome. So short!

Re: Ersatz PicoLisp stuff

2013-02-20 Thread Jakob Eriksson
I feel we are getting closer to where PicoLisp could be used in Java for real.

Re: Ersatz Picolisp misc interop libraries update

2013-03-09 Thread Jakob Eriksson
This is so awesome, getting access to all Java libraries etc from PicoLisp :) PԔ � j)mX�����zV�u�.n7�

Re: Segmentation fault (Was: Subscribe)

2013-05-17 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Yes, the FAQ should definitely elaborate on that, since people are used to that interpreted languages can not induce segfaults on their own. Also explain perhaps that the interpreter could check all C calls against a white list, but it would take a lot of time Alexander Burger

Re: Are PicoLisp's coroutine stacks legal?

2013-05-20 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Wow, I just have to comment this. Amiga + picolisp in the same post = awesome. /me crawls back under rock On May 20, 2013 at 11:13 PM Jorge Acereda Maciá jacer...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I can only say that under AmigaOS it would certainly be a no-no: -- UNSUBSCRIBE:

good morning

2013-09-07 Thread Jakob Eriksson
so good to you see activity this early in the weekend. :) -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe

Re: Great canvas article and demo

2013-09-16 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On September 16, 2013 at 9:30 AM Tomas Hlavaty t...@logand.com wrote: 3) I guess most of the overhead of the http request is probably establishing the connection. My bett is that it doesn't really matter if you send 1kB or 5kB of data. For example, if I run this It might matter,

Re: A few quick emu/pil timings

2013-09-24 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Bikeshedding! Debian. Henrik Sarvell hsarv...@gmail.com skrev: If VM can't be avoided isn't Gentoo more minimal than Arch? http://www.gentoo.org/ On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com wrote: Mansur Mamkin mmam...@mail.ru writes: in case of Windows don't forget

Re: Programming can be futuristic

2013-10-24 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Well, if PicoLisp was ported to http://zerovm.org/wiki/The_Cloud_Hypervisor then we'd definitely be there. Thing is, I think it might be a good fit! On 2013-10-24 06:23, Henrik Sarvell wrote: This guy has obviously not discovered PicoLisp yet :-)

Re: Would a logging framework make sense for PicoLisp

2014-04-11 Thread Jakob Eriksson
If it is derivative, you should ask. On April 11, 2014 7:07:25 PM CEST, Henrik Sarvell hsarv...@gmail.com wrote: I feel like I have changed the original now to such an extent that I don't have to ask anymore :-) It feels like a derivative work. However, attribution is kept in the source:

Re: Regarding the implementations of PicoLisp

2014-05-12 Thread Jakob Eriksson
And this is an excellent example of PicoLisp going the extra mile. Instead of handling C as the lowest abstraction, going to the actual machine. I imagine other interpreted languages could be faster if designed with this attention to detail. On 12 maj 2014 08:24:13 CEST, Alexander Burger

Re: Regarding the implementations of PicoLisp

2014-05-14 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Heartbleed vs custom memory allocator is a false dichotomy. The problem with OpenSSL was a bad development model. A security library should have a development model focusing on security. Security is a process and taking responsibility for design decisions and committing to them, not letting

Re: Regarding the implementations of PicoLisp

2014-05-14 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On May 14, 2014 at 4:03 PM andr...@itship.ch wrote: PicoLisp can and might be used to implement security applications. Of course. So better use standard proved OS mechanisms and have some more initial effort to get it running, I think. The standard proved OS mechanism are all different

Re: Regarding the implementations of PicoLisp

2014-05-14 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Yes, but it would help if the allocator cleared returned memory if I recall correctly. On May 14, 2014 6:40:59 PM CEST, Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: Hi Jakob, Veering off topic here ... ... The heartbleed bug wouldn't have had such a devastating effect if they wouldn't

Re: Regarding the implementations of PicoLisp

2014-05-14 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Sorry for ranting the list again but... On 2014-05-14 19:17, andr...@itship.ch wrote: true, but then the leaking memory wouldn't have been restricted on critical data like private keys and password traffic. so more probing would have been necessary to gain exploitable data. which of course

Re: Pico/Ersatz diffs: chain, link, yoke

2014-06-25 Thread Jakob Eriksson
You would be mad to use Erzats for performance anyway, so I'd wish for correctness or similarity. It would also serve as a documentation of what it takes to implement a full PicoLisp. Sort of a portable spec. On June 25, 2014 4:45:12 PM CEST, Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: Hi

Re: try picolisp

2014-08-28 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Maybe not with Emscripten. On August 28, 2014 7:41:12 PM CEST, Mike Pechkin mike.pech...@gmail.com wrote: hi, Is it hard to implement minimalist version of minipicolisp in browser ? Like http://tryclj.com/ ? Mike -- Skickat från min Android-telefon med K-9 E-post. Ursäkta min fåordighet.

Re: Announce: PicoLisp in Hardware (PilMCU)

2014-09-19 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Fantastic, this is truly great. I have been hoping for years someone would pull this off. Congratulations. best regards, Jakob On September 19, 2014 at 1:39 PM Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: Hello List, we are proud to announce PilMCU, the Lisp Machine on a Chip! :) We,

Re: Announce: PicoLisp in Hardware (PilMCU)

2014-09-19 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On September 19, 2014 at 3:05 PM Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: Hi Alabhya, Funds should flow in when picoLisp OS is seen running with all virtues, on existing hardware. Hmm, but this is a bit against the point, isn't it? This *is* a hardware project. On existing hardware

PicoLisp on Raspi

2014-09-19 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On September 19, 2014 at 3:18 PM Joe Bogner joebog...@gmail.com wrote: This might be off base, but is it within the realm of possibility to run PilMCU on a raspberry pi now or in the future? That's an accessible piece of hardware that many people already have (myself included). These people

Re: Announce: PicoLisp in Hardware (PilMCU)

2014-09-20 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On September 19, 2014 at 7:32 PM Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com wrote: Loyall, David david.loy...@nebraska.gov writes: The Internet would like to run this locally. Would you post the verilog source and build files? Or a link to a repository? I think this has the potential to make a

Re: Picolisp Specific Training

2014-09-25 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Maybe Alex could for a price? On September 25, 2014 5:54:02 PM CEST, jerome moliere jer...@javaxpert.com wrote: Hi all, I think that everything is in the title... Do you know if someone supplies such training ? Kind regards -- J.MOLIERE - Mentor/J -- Skickat från min Android-telefon med K-9

Re: MiniPicoLisp Code in ROM

2014-10-08 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Great to read on pilmcu and other updates! On October 8, 2014 at 8:23 AM Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: But I feel that it doesn't make sense except for miniPicoLisp. By doing so, you save a few hundred kilobytes in RAM at most, but get the disadvantages of a less flexible

Re: Strange PicoLisp site

2014-10-27 Thread Jakob Eriksson
someone registered that domain for PicoLisp, then did not renew the fee. When it was expired, the domain was snatched (like most expired domains are) by one of these companies which do nothing else but buy expired domains and resell them. The boilerplate text is just random junk to keep the page

Re: Strange PicoLisp site

2014-10-27 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On October 27, 2014 at 10:20 AM Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: Hi Jakob, our mails just crossed ;-) someone registered that domain for PicoLisp, then did not renew the fee. Yes, javuchi messed it up somehow, but it may not be only his fault. It seems to be possible that

Re: pilMCU progress (slowed)

2014-11-25 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On November 25, 2014 at 11:19 AM Kuba Tyszko k...@lbl.pl wrote: is this actually the whole picolisp converted somehow to a dedicated CPU running on FPGA, or is that an actual CPU emulated (say some kind of ARM), and picolisp compiled for that CPU ? It is a new CPU. I'm just trying to

Re: Minor diff between 32-bit and Ersatz re. redefined

2014-12-11 Thread Jakob Eriksson
On December 11, 2014 at 3:39 PM Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: Hi Jon, (dm T (X Y) (=: x X) (=: y Y)) and then repeat the last line, then Ersatz will say # T +Shape redefined, but 32-bit PicoLisp will give no such redefined warning. It may not matter very much, I just

Re: Merry Christmas!

2014-12-24 Thread Jakob Eriksson
Merry Christmas to you too :-) On December 24, 2014 9:37:30 AM CET, Mattias Sundblad mattias@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'd like to wish everyone on the list a merry christmas and a happy new year. Learning Picolisp is a great and fun challenge for me at least and I'm looking forward to

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