Re: Wikipedia
On 2019-01-09 07:58, Mattias Sundblad wrote: > Hi, > >> "IA-32" is not explicitly supported. It would rather be "C" for pil32 >> and "emu" >> on pil64. But this is probably too confusing for a Wikipedia article ;) > > Yes, most likely :) > >> Other supported architectures (besides "x86-64") are "arm64" and >> "ppc64" > > I see. Would adding arm64 and ppc64 to the Wikipedia page make sense? Does it quack like a duck? :-) Does it run on arm64 and ppc64? :-) -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: Wikipedia
Hi, >"IA-32" is not explicitly supported. It would rather be "C" for pil32 >and "emu" >on pil64. But this is probably too confusing for a Wikipedia article ;) Yes, most likely :) >Other supported architectures (besides "x86-64") are "arm64" and >"ppc64" I see. Would adding arm64 and ppc64 to the Wikipedia page make sense? Regards, Mattias -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: Wikipedia
On Mon, Jan 07, 2019 at 10:47:43AM +0100, Mattias Sundblad wrote: > Shouldn't "ARM64" or "AArch64" be added to the "Platform" section, along with > "IA-32" "x86-64"? > Could "AArch64" link to > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#AArch64 ? "IA-32" is not explicitly supported. It would rather be "C" for pil32 and "emu" on pil64. But this is probably too confusing for a Wikipedia article ;) Other supported architectures (besides "x86-64") are "arm64" and "ppc64" I would say. - Alex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: Wikipedia
On Mon, Jan 07, 2019 at 09:58:33AM +0100, Jon Kleiser wrote: > I have now added a PilBox paragraph under “History”, and two PilBox links > under "External links”. Maybe the first PilBox link should have been under > “References”, but I didn’t know how to do that. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PicoLisp Many thanks Jon! I think these additions are very helpful. - Alex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: Wikipedia
Hi Alex, > Better not. I was hoping that Geo (George Orais) would comment, he is still > working on it. Thanks!! Actually I did comment on this last Jan 2. :) > Should we perhaps also mention that PicoLisp is available as a package > on Termux (terminal app on Android)? > > ... > > As this is only a community-internal link, we should also link to the Google > Play Store page > > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.software_lab.pilbox Cool!! How about PilOS? BR, Geo On Thursday, 3 January 2019, 18:53, Alexander Burger wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:57:30AM +0100, Alexander Burger wrote: > You could also check https://picolisp.com/wiki/?pilbox As this is only a community-internal link, we should also link to the Google Play Store page https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.software_lab.pilbox ☺/ A!ex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: Wikipedia
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:57:30AM +0100, Alexander Burger wrote: > You could also check https://picolisp.com/wiki/?pilbox As this is only a community-internal link, we should also link to the Google Play Store page https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.software_lab.pilbox ☺/ A!ex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: Wikipedia
Am 2019-01-03 10:14, schrieb Alexander Burger: On Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 02:55:35PM +0100, Jon Kleiser wrote: Is there a milestone or two we (eg. I) could add in the History section? Should we perhaps also mention that PicoLisp is available as a package on Termux (terminal app on Android)? yes, of course! It's a separate thing from pilBox. -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: Wikipedia
On Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 02:55:35PM +0100, Jon Kleiser wrote: > Is there a milestone or two we (eg. I) could add in the History section? Should we perhaps also mention that PicoLisp is available as a package on Termux (terminal app on Android)? -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: Wikipedia
Hi Jon,
> Could you give me a complete sentence/paragraph describing the PilBox thing,
> including month and year, and maybe a link?
Something like this?
PilBox ("PicoLisp Box") - a generic Android App allowing to write Apps in
pure PicoLisp
You could also check https://picolisp.com/wiki/?pilbox
PilBox was started in summer 2016, and is still being developed and maintained.
In fact, most of my time goes into it recently, I need and use it in several
production projects.
> Shall I delete the paragraph that mentions the PilMCU project?
Better not. I was hoping that Geo (George Orais) would comment, he is still
working on it.
☺/ A!ex
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Re: Wikipedia
Hi Alex, Could you give me a complete sentence/paragraph describing the PilBox thing, including month and year, and maybe a link? Shall I delete the paragraph that mentions the PilMCU project? /Jon > On 3. Jan, 2019, at 07:59, Alexander Burger wrote: > > Hi Jon, > >> Happy New Year! > > Happy New Year, to you and all! o/ > > >> I did add a link “Software Preservation Group – PicoLisp and Other Lisps” to >> the “External links” sections, > > Very good idea! > >> but that didn’t make the warning go away (not unexpected). > > I'm not sure if we have the permission to remove it ourselves. I think I > faintly remember having removed another such message after fixing things. > > >> Is there amilestone or two we (eg. I) could add in the History section? > > PilBox is the largest recent addition. Perhaps it should be mentioned? > > Thanks Jon! > ☺/ A!ex > > -- > UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: Wikipedia
Hi Jon, > Happy New Year! Happy New Year, to you and all! o/ > I did add a link “Software Preservation Group – PicoLisp and Other Lisps” to > the “External links” sections, Very good idea! > but that didn’t make the warning go away (not unexpected). I'm not sure if we have the permission to remove it ourselves. I think I faintly remember having removed another such message after fixing things. > Is there amilestone or two we (eg. I) could add in the History section? PilBox is the largest recent addition. Perhaps it should be mentioned? Thanks Jon! ☺/ A!ex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: Wikipedia
Hi, Happy New Year! I did add a link “Software Preservation Group – PicoLisp and Other Lisps” to the “External links” sections, but that didn’t make the warning go away (not unexpected). Is there a milestone or two we (eg. I) could add in the History section? /Jon > On 28. Dec, 2018, at 22:54, Jon Kleiser wrote: > > Hi, > > I suggest we add one or more milestones in the History section, and maybe > remove the 2014 PilMCU paragraph (if that was not successful). Give me the > text and I shall put it in. > > /Jon > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 28 Dec 2018, at 08:35, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > >> I think the issue with the Wikipedia message is that not much is said of >> Picolisp outside of the Picolisp community :) Hence, if we can have a few >> articles about *anything* related to Picolisp then we can add a lot of >> "neutral" contents and that doesn't have to be you who does the stuff. >> >> So anything you're aware that can be published and possibly be referenced, >> go ahead :) >> >> JC >> >>> On Dec 28, 2018, at 16:18, Alexander Burger wrote: >>> >>> Hi Jean-Christophe, >>> Do you have a list of commercial applications that were developed in picolisp and can be mentioned there? >>> >>> I could put together a list of all my projects during the last 30 years, >>> but it >>> would not be helpful as these are all custom applications, not visible in >>> public. >>> >>> Are there citations that refer to that (in industry papers, etc.) ? >>> >>> Not that I'm aware of ... >>> ☺/ A!ex >>> >>> >>> -- >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe >> >> Jean-Christophe Helary >> --- >> http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune >> >> -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: Wikipedia
Hi Jon, First of all, a Happy New Year to everyone! Sorry for the very slow progress and less update on the PilMCU due to the recent changes in life.. I can say that PilMCU is still a work in progress and it would be nice to still keep it in the history section. One of the proof that its working is my youtube video at this link: https://youtu.be/mMgIvITAMBc And there are many inquiries when and where the softcore can be available. I believe this year I can get back and finalize the softcore for I gained more knowledge on how to optimize the implementation based on my daily work here in Tokyo. Thanks again and looking forward for more Picolisp projects soon! BR, Geo On Saturday, 29 December 2018, 7:00, Jon Kleiser wrote: Hi, I suggest we add one or more milestones in the History section, and maybe remove the 2014 PilMCU paragraph (if that was not successful). Give me the text and I shall put it in. /Jon Sent from my iPhone On 28 Dec 2018, at 08:35, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: I think the issue with the Wikipedia message is that not much is said of Picolisp outside of the Picolisp community :) Hence, if we can have a few articles about *anything* related to Picolisp then we can add a lot of "neutral" contents and that doesn't have to be you who does the stuff. So anything you're aware that can be published and possibly be referenced, go ahead :) JC On Dec 28, 2018, at 16:18, Alexander Burger wrote: > >Hi Jean-Christophe, > > >Do you have a list of commercial applications that were developed in picolisp >>and can be mentioned there? >> >I could put together a list of all my projects during the last 30 years, but it >would not be helpful as these are all custom applications, not visible in >public. > > > >Are there citations that refer to that (in industry papers, etc.) ? >> >Not that I'm aware of ... >☺/ A!ex > > >-- >UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe > Jean-Christophe Helary --- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: Wikipedia
Hi, I suggest we add one or more milestones in the History section, and maybe remove the 2014 PilMCU paragraph (if that was not successful). Give me the text and I shall put it in. /Jon Sent from my iPhone > On 28 Dec 2018, at 08:35, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > > I think the issue with the Wikipedia message is that not much is said of > Picolisp outside of the Picolisp community :) Hence, if we can have a few > articles about *anything* related to Picolisp then we can add a lot of > "neutral" contents and that doesn't have to be you who does the stuff. > > So anything you're aware that can be published and possibly be referenced, go > ahead :) > > JC > >> On Dec 28, 2018, at 16:18, Alexander Burger wrote: >> >> Hi Jean-Christophe, >> >>> Do you have a list of commercial applications that were developed in >>> picolisp >>> and can be mentioned there? >> >> I could put together a list of all my projects during the last 30 years, but >> it >> would not be helpful as these are all custom applications, not visible in >> public. >> >> >>> Are there citations that refer to that (in industry papers, etc.) ? >> >> Not that I'm aware of ... >> ☺/ A!ex >> >> >> -- >> UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe > > Jean-Christophe Helary > --- > http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune > >
Re: Wikipedia
I think the issue with the Wikipedia message is that not much is said of Picolisp outside of the Picolisp community :) Hence, if we can have a few articles about *anything* related to Picolisp then we can add a lot of "neutral" contents and that doesn't have to be you who does the stuff. So anything you're aware that can be published and possibly be referenced, go ahead :) JC > On Dec 28, 2018, at 16:18, Alexander Burger wrote: > > Hi Jean-Christophe, > >> Do you have a list of commercial applications that were developed in picolisp >> and can be mentioned there? > > I could put together a list of all my projects during the last 30 years, but > it > would not be helpful as these are all custom applications, not visible in > public. > > >> Are there citations that refer to that (in industry papers, etc.) ? > > Not that I'm aware of ... > ☺/ A!ex > > > -- > UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe Jean-Christophe Helary --- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune
Re: Wikipedia
Hi Jean-Christophe, > Do you have a list of commercial applications that were developed in picolisp > and can be mentioned there? I could put together a list of all my projects during the last 30 years, but it would not be helpful as these are all custom applications, not visible in public. > Are there citations that refer to that (in industry papers, etc.) ? Not that I'm aware of ... ☺/ A!ex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: Wikipedia
Do you have a list of commercial applications that were developed in picolisp and can be mentioned there? Are there citations that refer to that (in industry papers, etc.) ? Jean-Christophe > On Dec 28, 2018, at 3:14, Alexander Burger wrote: > > Hi all, > > first of all, a (late) Merry Christmas! > > > Today I released PicoLisp 18.12, and when updating the Wikipedia page > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picolisp > > I got this note on top of the page: > > A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with > its subject. It may require cleanup to Unbalanced comply with Wikipedia's > content policies, particularly scales.svg neutral point of view. > > Understandable, as I'm probably the only one writing there ;) > > So, please, if anyone is interested and has some ideas, please enhance the > PicoLisp Wikipedia page in whatever way :) > > Many thanks, and a happy New Year! > ☺/ A!ex > > -- > UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe Jean-Christophe Helary --- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
Re: Wikipedia
Thank you! On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 1:20 PM Alexander Burger wrote: > Hi all, > > first of all, a (late) Merry Christmas! > > > Today I released PicoLisp 18.12, and when updating the Wikipedia page > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picolisp > > I got this note on top of the page: > >A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection > with >its subject. It may require cleanup to Unbalanced comply with > Wikipedia's >content policies, particularly scales.svg neutral point of view. > > Understandable, as I'm probably the only one writing there ;) > > So, please, if anyone is interested and has some ideas, please enhance the > PicoLisp Wikipedia page in whatever way :) > > Many thanks, and a happy New Year! > ☺/ A!ex > > -- > UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe > -- *Níl aon tinteán mar do thinteán féin. *[Irish Gaelic] (There is no fireside like your own fireside.)
Re: Wikipedia
Alex, Have you tried discussing the issue nicely on the talk (Diskussion) page? There hasn't been any talk in German, which is very strange for an article that has been marked for deletion. One problem that I see is that, generally, wikipedians should not be writing about their own stuff. I'm sure it happens more frequently in other areas that don't have pedants running the show, but I think it is important for people to write the article like an encyclopedia article. Wikipedia can be annoying in this way because there are some editors who are full of themselves and they don't like appeals. But there is a lot of software on there that is of minimal notability but the articles are not marked for deletion. It might be true that it would be better to put picolisp in another article, but I don't think one exists that is good for it. Perhaps it could be merged into an article about various lisp implementations such as BEE Lisp and the like, making Picolisp and BEE Lisp a redirection to these pages. (I'm just picking on BEE Lisp because it is referenced from the lisp page and doesn't seem very notable to me.) John On 11 Jan 2010, at 1:49 AM, Alexander Burger wrote: Hi Henrik, So in the spirit of promoting the language I made the reply into its own post on my blog: http://www.prodevtips.com/2010/01/09/on-picolisps-wikipedia-woes-and-the-process-of-promoting-a-language/ Thanks Henrik! When it comes to secondary sources and references and such I propose a new section in the Wikipedia article called something like Impact with a link ... At the moment I don't want to any further changes. Last week I had added two references to the German version (which started the trouble), one to your prodevtips, and one to an article in the renowned German c't magazine, but they were immediately removed (reverted). But thank you very much for your input! Cheers, - Alex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picol...@software-lab.de?subject=unsubscribe -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picol...@software-lab.de?subject=unsubscribe
Re: Wikipedia
Hi Jon, Have you tried discussing the issue nicely on the talk (Diskussion) page? There hasn't been any talk in German, which is very strange for an article that has been marked for deletion. Well, there is one http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:L%C3%B6schkandidaten/1._Januar_2010#PicoLisp One problem that I see is that, generally, wikipedians should not be writing about their own stuff. Yeah, that's what I think, too. Cheers, - Alex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picol...@software-lab.de?subject=unsubscribe
Re: Wikipedia
Hi Henrik, So in the spirit of promoting the language I made the reply into its own post on my blog: http://www.prodevtips.com/2010/01/09/on-picolisps-wikipedia-woes-and-the-process-of-promoting-a-language/ Thanks Henrik! When it comes to secondary sources and references and such I propose a new section in the Wikipedia article called something like Impact with a link ... At the moment I don't want to any further changes. Last week I had added two references to the German version (which started the trouble), one to your prodevtips, and one to an article in the renowned German c't magazine, but they were immediately removed (reverted). But thank you very much for your input! Cheers, - Alex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picol...@software-lab.de?subject=unsubscribe
Re: Wikipedia
Sorry it took so long for me to reply in this thread, I've been extremely busy. So in the spirit of promoting the language I made the reply into its own post on my blog: http://www.prodevtips.com/2010/01/09/on-picolisps-wikipedia-woes-and-the-process-of-promoting-a-language/ Sometimes the lisp reddit and other sources pick up on my posts and generates some traffic. When it comes to secondary sources and references and such I propose a new section in the Wikipedia article called something like Impact with a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_%28programming_language%29 and a statement that that language has been inspired by picolisp with a reference to this page: http://programming.nu/lisp-links (se right under the Notable Dialiects headline). Eugene Wallingford ( http://www.cs.uni.edu/~wallingf/ ) has written about PicoLisp here: http://www.cs.uni.edu/~wallingf/blog/archives/monthly/2007-04.html#e2007-04-17T07_46_09.htmhe is a professor so it's not just anyone taking note of picolisp here. Maybe that will help a little? On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.dewrote: On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 09:21:36PM +0100, Henrik Sarvell wrote: My series starts here: http://www.prodevtips.com/2008/03/28/pico-lisp/ To be sure, I included them on the download page for a first step. -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picol...@software-lab.de?subject=unsubscribe
Re: Wikipedia
Many thanks to all of you! I'm all right again. Your comments and opinions helped me a lot. And: Perhaps even the situation at the German site improved. At least there seems to be some trend in the discussions in favor of the article. Maybe it helped that Dexen pointed out the `reliable sources', which seems to translate to press,. I was not aware of the fact how critical the relevance of references is, but now I planted the link to the article in c't (which is probably the most renowned computer magazine in Germany). I'm still not sure what is politically correct. For example, I would like to include the link to Henrik's prodevtips. But I'm also reluctant to flood the article too much. What do you think? At least it should be somebody else (not me) inserting the link, as I'm glad to see that somebody already posted the links to Lambda the Ultimate and John Fremlin's blog. I didn't think about those. Jon: Two things made me unsure if this was the same Lisp: It was originally developed on the Apple Macintosh. Wow! ;-) And then the spelling: Yes, but this was a quite different system back then, on a Mac+/68k. The knowledge about that system doesn't help me for today's Macs ;) PicoLisp, no space. It used to be Pico Lisp, but you've obviously changed it Yes, there was quite some chaos throughout the docs, Pico Lisp, Pico-Lisp, PicoLisp. As it looked like it converged more and more towards PicoLisp (perhaps because of the executable name and the release file names), I changed all spellings in the system to that. dexen: Thanks for Ohloh. Now I'm also registered :) BTW, it is really sad there's no public repo with PicoLisp; Ohloh would publish information on both activity (commits) and authors of those. So we could give `kudos' to them ;) TC started a Mercury repository at picolisp.googlecode.com. We said that it should contain all kinds of extensions and add-ons. Concerning the core system, I would like for the moment to continue maintaining it manually (there were already several contributions integrated), after discussing possible changes/extensions to the core system. Cheers, - Alex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picol...@software-lab.de?subject=unsubscribe
Re: Wikipedia
On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 09:21:36PM +0100, Henrik Sarvell wrote: My series starts here: http://www.prodevtips.com/2008/03/28/pico-lisp/ To be sure, I included them on the download page for a first step. -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picol...@software-lab.de?subject=unsubscribe
Re: Wikipedia
Cheer up, Alex! Without some of your articles being mentioned on Lambda the Ultimate back in 2007, I would probably not have heard of PicoLisp. I'm glad I got to know it. In my opinion PicoLisp is a shining gem, and by studying it one can learn a lot about different and clever ways to do programming. I now took a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picolisp Two things made me unsure if this was the same Lisp: It was originally developed on the Apple Macintosh. Wow! ;-) And then the spelling: PicoLisp, no space. It used to be Pico Lisp, but you've obviously changed it. (I just wish it wasn't Picolisp, lowercase l.) Let's try to make that article stick! If we succeed, I'll make another try at donating some money to Wikipedia. Keep up the good work! ;-) /Jon On 1/4/10 2:01 PM, Alexander Burger wrote: On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 10:05:06PM +0100, dexen deVries wrote: sources', which seems to translate to press, including electronic. Or at le= ast=20 a few `high-profile blogs' etc. Best would is something peer-reviewed. OK, my last try is the article in the German magazine c't. I've put a link into the English and German versions. Besides this, I'm extremely frustrated. I think I wasted too much time on communicating (instead of using) PicoLisp during the last 8 years. From now on I'll concentrate on my own work. I won't write any articles, or propagate PicoLisp in any way. I'll answer questions in this mailing list, though. Cheers, - Alex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picol...@software-lab.de?subject=unsubscribe
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I'm not donating a fucken cent to wikipedia after this. On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Robert Wörle wrote: Cheers All Here are my 5 cents to this. First about the spelling: The release version is named picoLisp. So i consider this the correct spelling coming from Alex directly. picolisp.org also uses various types of spellings. 2nd about the wiki people: gtf out of our way. Wikipedia was intended to be a open knowledge basis. You can look up any big company name there and there are even tons of refernce links into those companys. The simple fact of the GPL License of picoLisp counts against the commercial argument they made. So its all there and you can learn it , understand it (if !) and use it as the GPL says. I my opinion, if wiki people keep acting like that , then picoLisp doesnt need em anyway. There are tons of other ways to populate picoLisp. Rob Jon Kleiser schrieb: Cheer up, Alex! Without some of your articles being mentioned on Lambda the Ultimate back in 2007, I would probably not have heard of PicoLisp. I'm glad I got to know it. In my opinion PicoLisp is a shining gem, and by studying it one can learn a lot about different and clever ways to do programming. I now took a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picolisp Two things made me unsure if this was the same Lisp: It was originally developed on the Apple Macintosh. Wow! ;-) And then the spelling: PicoLisp, no space. It used to be Pico Lisp, but you've obviously changed it. (I just wish it wasn't Picolisp, lowercase l.) Let's try to make that article stick! If we succeed, I'll make another try at donating some money to Wikipedia. Keep up the good work! ;-) /Jon On 1/4/10 2:01 PM, Alexander Burger wrote: On Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 10:05:06PM +0100, dexen deVries wrote: sources', which seems to translate to press, including electronic. Or at le= ast=20 a few `high-profile blogs' etc. Best would is something peer-reviewed. OK, my last try is the article in the German magazine c't. I've put a link into the English and German versions. Besides this, I'm extremely frustrated. I think I wasted too much time on communicating (instead of using) PicoLisp during the last 8 years. From now on I'll concentrate on my own work. I won't write any articles, or propagate PicoLisp in any way. I'll answer questions in this mailing list, though. Cheers, - Alex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picol...@software-lab.de?subject=unsubscribe
Re: Wikipedia
Well if you consider my series a reliable secondary source I would be honored but I don't feel like they are. My series starts here: http://www.prodevtips.com/2008/03/28/pico-lisp/ I know you reviewed the 3-5 first parts in the series but not the ones at the end so that's where the reliability might lack, the code examples work like expected at least but the explaining texts might be wrong. /Henrik On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote: Hi friends, a happy New Year! Now it looks I need some help or advice. I'm having trouble with Wikipedia. I wrote an article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picolisp) around the 12th of November last year. Everything seemed all right, someone did minor changes, added links etc., and then the article stayed there untouched, until New Year. Now, because Mansur had written a translation to Esperanto (http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picolisp), I felt obligated to write also a German version. I did so (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/PicoLisp), but immediately some vice squad at the German Wikipedia considered the article against the guidelines, and marked it for deletion. Moreover, this process triggered also the deletion of the original English version. The claims for the English article are are that it lacks reliable, secondary sources. The German side even argues that the article is commercial advertisement. Both claims are rather funny. Of course, I never charged anything for PicoLisp, and the article includes links to www.picolisp.org and to the download page etc. What other reliable sources should be possible? Isn't the downloadable system itself the most reliable source? Should I include some links to the pages Henrik (prodevtips.com) and Tomas (logand.com) made? If so, which ones? Does anybody have experiences with such a case, or any ideas? Cheers, - Alex -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picol...@software-lab.de?subject=unsubscribe -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picol...@software-lab.de?subject=unsubscribe
Re: Wikipedia
Hello, On Saturday 02 of January 2010 21:21:36 you wrote: Well if you consider my series a reliable secondary source I would be honored but I don't feel like they are. I am afraid the `deletionists' on Wikipedia won't be pleased by a few blog= =20 posts :( Their point is, Wikipedia ought to report information from `reliab= le=20 sources', which seems to translate to press, including electronic. Or at le= ast=20 a few `high-profile blogs' etc. Best would is something peer-reviewed. Case in point/example: there was a quite good article on Colemak keyboard=20 layout several months ago, which was deleted cause of lack of notability. F= or=20 the background, Colemak was added officially to X.org, making it included=20 gradually in virtually all linux distros, *BSDs, as well as MaxOS X. There= =20 were several Changelog entries to that effect, aside of usual blog traffic = and=20 one non-peer-reviewed paper. All that did not please the deletionists. Here's the relevant discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Colemak_(2nd_n= omination) In the end, a short note mentioning Colemak was created in an article=20 describing Keyboard Layouts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#Colemak Perhaps something similar would work for PicoLisp for now? =46rom discussions on Colemak forum: Sadly, we exist at the junction of Notability and Original Research, which is kind of a 'rock and a hard place' on Wikipedia. We're never going to get out of one without running into the other, so until more than one real-made-of-paper magazine or newspaper has a story about Colemak, we're not going to be able to exist on Wikipedia. But in the end, it's not that big a thing. Sure, it would be nice to warrant a mention, but Colemak is notable in my life and that's good enou= gh for now. Offline -- Korivak http://forum.colemak.com/viewtopic.php?id=3D162 http://forum.colemak.com/viewtopic.php?id=3D244p=3D2 Notability on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_essays_on_notability sorry for the linkspam, =2D- dexen -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picol...@software-lab.de?subject=unsubscribe
