Re: S3 Object Storage
Hello all , I am currently on this , Please Janos , make your decision. Since I have looking at your project for very long time , And my client begin to ask for. It is very simple to implenent , because there is simple convertor from regular file system to S3. If you decided not to , please let us all know. In this case I will need to implement it by my self by the near future. I have a lot of respect to your project and your time and the willing to get pay for it. But if some one whould like to pay , is for the support not for feature. Please take a look on the proxmox project. By my self , and my clients , I do not mean to take off without S3. Please let us all know what have you decide. Thak you all for your support and your time. הורד את TypeApp עבור Android ב-6 באפר׳ 2020, 1:47, ב-Ryan Blenis , 1:47 כתב: >Hi Janos, > >Thank you as always for your quick and in-depth response. I certainly >understand the delicate balance between FOSS and enterprise paywalls >and >feature-sets, and I thank you for even having an open source option to >begin with! I'm just planning a migration to a new server (for when my >current OS is EOL) and wanted to move the hosting to one with better >support that doesn't over-provision the hosts resources as I've seen on >the >current host, but HDD space isn't anywhere near as inexpensive as it is >at >the current company. I was just thinking I could have the best of both >worlds with S3 storage integrated. Many of the FOSS/enterprise paywalls >in >other projects are based on LDAP integration, multi-tenancy, >pre-packages >binaries, support levels, etc. that many business need, whereas object >storage vs block storage felt like more of a separate paywall in terms >of >cloud providers, so I just figured I'd ask if it was coming to the FOSS >version. Also, I like to be able to modify the code if a customization >can >be made, which I assume would not be the case with enterprise, correct? > >Also, if I try the enterprise on the new host, is there a path to >downgrade >to the FOSS version? Or would starting back from scratch be the only >option? > >Thank you as always again. > >On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 7:16 AM wrote: > >> >> Hello Ryan, >> >> On 2020-04-05 10:55, Ryan Blenis wrote: >> > >> > I see the enterprise version you offer it says one of the features >> > piler has is S3 object storage, which looks like it was originally >> > requested on the mailing list in 2018: >> > https://www.mail-archive.com/piler-user@list.acts.hu/msg01335.html >> > >> > Does this mean that it is fully implemented now? And if so, will we >> >> yes, it's fully implemented by now. >> >> >> > ever see this in the open source version? Given the lower prices on >S3 >> > compatible storage versus block storage and the unchanging nature >of >> > the files, this would be great to have as an option that can reduce >> > hosting costs from what is now being used for [comparatively] >> > expensive block storage. >> >> >> well, I've been thinking about it for a while, and still not decided, >> it's a difficult business decision, so let me share my current >position >> on the matter. >> >> TL;DR: not in the near future. >> >> I'm really proud that the open source edition has gained a pretty >nice >> traction, and I decided to somehow monetize its popularity. >> >> So I've forked piler and built an enterprise edition along with some >> commercial >> services. To make the enterprise edition successful, I must offer >some >> features >> that are worth to pay for that is not available for free in the open >> source edition. >> >> I believe that the S3 storage support you asked for is such an >> attractive feature, >> so I'll keep it for the enterprise edition only, not sure how long. >> >> However, I'm well aware of that the S3 costs are significantly lower >> than block >> storage costs at cloud hosting companies. I encourage you to try the >> enterprise >> edition, and see if it works for you. If so, and you like it, then >> perhaps we >> could figure out something viable to make the transition from open >> source to >> enterprise. I'd like to emphasize that I don't want to force you in >this >> direction, >> and it's totally ok to decline. >> >> Let me know what you (and other piler users as well) think about the >> matter. >> >> Janos >> -- test text sig
Re: S3 Object Storage
Hi Janos, Thank you as always for your quick and in-depth response. I certainly understand the delicate balance between FOSS and enterprise paywalls and feature-sets, and I thank you for even having an open source option to begin with! I'm just planning a migration to a new server (for when my current OS is EOL) and wanted to move the hosting to one with better support that doesn't over-provision the hosts resources as I've seen on the current host, but HDD space isn't anywhere near as inexpensive as it is at the current company. I was just thinking I could have the best of both worlds with S3 storage integrated. Many of the FOSS/enterprise paywalls in other projects are based on LDAP integration, multi-tenancy, pre-packages binaries, support levels, etc. that many business need, whereas object storage vs block storage felt like more of a separate paywall in terms of cloud providers, so I just figured I'd ask if it was coming to the FOSS version. Also, I like to be able to modify the code if a customization can be made, which I assume would not be the case with enterprise, correct? Also, if I try the enterprise on the new host, is there a path to downgrade to the FOSS version? Or would starting back from scratch be the only option? Thank you as always again. On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 7:16 AM wrote: > > Hello Ryan, > > On 2020-04-05 10:55, Ryan Blenis wrote: > > > > I see the enterprise version you offer it says one of the features > > piler has is S3 object storage, which looks like it was originally > > requested on the mailing list in 2018: > > https://www.mail-archive.com/piler-user@list.acts.hu/msg01335.html > > > > Does this mean that it is fully implemented now? And if so, will we > > yes, it's fully implemented by now. > > > > ever see this in the open source version? Given the lower prices on S3 > > compatible storage versus block storage and the unchanging nature of > > the files, this would be great to have as an option that can reduce > > hosting costs from what is now being used for [comparatively] > > expensive block storage. > > > well, I've been thinking about it for a while, and still not decided, > it's a difficult business decision, so let me share my current position > on the matter. > > TL;DR: not in the near future. > > I'm really proud that the open source edition has gained a pretty nice > traction, and I decided to somehow monetize its popularity. > > So I've forked piler and built an enterprise edition along with some > commercial > services. To make the enterprise edition successful, I must offer some > features > that are worth to pay for that is not available for free in the open > source edition. > > I believe that the S3 storage support you asked for is such an > attractive feature, > so I'll keep it for the enterprise edition only, not sure how long. > > However, I'm well aware of that the S3 costs are significantly lower > than block > storage costs at cloud hosting companies. I encourage you to try the > enterprise > edition, and see if it works for you. If so, and you like it, then > perhaps we > could figure out something viable to make the transition from open > source to > enterprise. I'd like to emphasize that I don't want to force you in this > direction, > and it's totally ok to decline. > > Let me know what you (and other piler users as well) think about the > matter. > > Janos >
Re: S3 Object Storage
Hi, I think it is important to have an enterprise solution and I would say S3 is a great feature to begin with. We need to keep Piler alive. Open Source projects do not live from warm words or "it is good for your reputation when we use your software". :) Piler is probably the best open source archiver. Let us not lose it. Thank you, Janos! Mit besten Grüßen André Peters > Am 05.04.2020 um 13:16 schrieb "s...@acts.hu" : > > > > Hello Ryan, > >> On 2020-04-05 10:55, Ryan Blenis wrote: >> I see the enterprise version you offer it says one of the features >> piler has is S3 object storage, which looks like it was originally >> requested on the mailing list in 2018: >> https://www.mail-archive.com/piler-user@list.acts.hu/msg01335.html >> Does this mean that it is fully implemented now? And if so, will we > > yes, it's fully implemented by now. > > >> ever see this in the open source version? Given the lower prices on S3 >> compatible storage versus block storage and the unchanging nature of >> the files, this would be great to have as an option that can reduce >> hosting costs from what is now being used for [comparatively] >> expensive block storage. > > > well, I've been thinking about it for a while, and still not decided, > it's a difficult business decision, so let me share my current position > on the matter. > > TL;DR: not in the near future. > > I'm really proud that the open source edition has gained a pretty nice > traction, and I decided to somehow monetize its popularity. > > So I've forked piler and built an enterprise edition along with some > commercial > services. To make the enterprise edition successful, I must offer some > features > that are worth to pay for that is not available for free in the open source > edition. > > I believe that the S3 storage support you asked for is such an attractive > feature, > so I'll keep it for the enterprise edition only, not sure how long. > > However, I'm well aware of that the S3 costs are significantly lower than > block > storage costs at cloud hosting companies. I encourage you to try the > enterprise > edition, and see if it works for you. If so, and you like it, then perhaps we > could figure out something viable to make the transition from open source to > enterprise. I'd like to emphasize that I don't want to force you in this > direction, > and it's totally ok to decline. > > Let me know what you (and other piler users as well) think about the matter. > > Janos >
Re: S3 Object Storage
Hello Ryan, On 2020-04-05 10:55, Ryan Blenis wrote: I see the enterprise version you offer it says one of the features piler has is S3 object storage, which looks like it was originally requested on the mailing list in 2018: https://www.mail-archive.com/piler-user@list.acts.hu/msg01335.html Does this mean that it is fully implemented now? And if so, will we yes, it's fully implemented by now. ever see this in the open source version? Given the lower prices on S3 compatible storage versus block storage and the unchanging nature of the files, this would be great to have as an option that can reduce hosting costs from what is now being used for [comparatively] expensive block storage. well, I've been thinking about it for a while, and still not decided, it's a difficult business decision, so let me share my current position on the matter. TL;DR: not in the near future. I'm really proud that the open source edition has gained a pretty nice traction, and I decided to somehow monetize its popularity. So I've forked piler and built an enterprise edition along with some commercial services. To make the enterprise edition successful, I must offer some features that are worth to pay for that is not available for free in the open source edition. I believe that the S3 storage support you asked for is such an attractive feature, so I'll keep it for the enterprise edition only, not sure how long. However, I'm well aware of that the S3 costs are significantly lower than block storage costs at cloud hosting companies. I encourage you to try the enterprise edition, and see if it works for you. If so, and you like it, then perhaps we could figure out something viable to make the transition from open source to enterprise. I'd like to emphasize that I don't want to force you in this direction, and it's totally ok to decline. Let me know what you (and other piler users as well) think about the matter. Janos
S3 Object Storage
Hi Janos, I see the enterprise version you offer it says one of the features piler has is S3 object storage, which looks like it was originally requested on the mailing list in 2018: https://www.mail-archive.com/piler-user@list.acts.hu/msg01335.html Does this mean that it is fully implemented now? And if so, will we ever see this in the open source version? Given the lower prices on S3 compatible storage versus block storage and the unchanging nature of the files, this would be great to have as an option that can reduce hosting costs from what is now being used for [comparatively] expensive block storage. Thank you as always.
