Hi Shelly,

Here is another way to look at it.  This is a chart, in inches, that I
created in Excel to help me decide which size of tube or cyninder cameras,
like an oatmeal box, to use in various circumstances.  Diameter is how wide
the box is across.  This is the focal length.  Circumference is how big the
circle around the outside of the box is, which tells you how big a piece of
paper will fit inside (if you were to wrap it 360 degrees).  1/2
circumference is 180 degrees, or half of the circle.  1/2 circle is will
give a full image without too much light falloff.  It is also where light
banding can start, but that is a completely different topic.  The more the
negative goes beyond the 1/2 circumference measure, the more likely you will
get extreme or complete fall-off, especially in the corners of the image,
since they are farthest from the center of the light cone that Ed mentioned.

How big was the oatmeal box?  My guess is somewhere between 3.5 and 5.5
inches.  A 10-inch-wide piece of paper would fit in any of these tubes; but
the smaller the focal length, the greater the likehood of vignetting.

Diameter Circumference  1/2 Circ

2.00_________ 6.28_________ 3.14
2.50_________ 7.85_________ 3.93
3.00_________ 9.42_________ 4.71
3.50_________11.00_________ 5.50
4.00_________12.57_________ 6.28
4.50_________14.14_________ 7.07
5.00_________15.71_________ 7.85
5.50_________17.28_________ 8.64
6.00_________18.85_________ 9.42
6.50_________20.42_________10.21
7.00_________21.99_________11.00
7.50_________23.56_________11.78
8.00_________25.13_________12.57


Tom Miller


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[mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???????]On Behalf Of Ed Kirkpatrick
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Subject: RE: [pinhole-discussion] Image not filling out paper


Shelley,

The dark areas are caused because that part of your paper lies outside
the image cone as it projects through the pinhole into your camera.  The
diameter of the image circle expands outward from the pinhole at about
3.5" diameter per inch of focal length so if you can imagine the cone
formed in your camera you will see why this effect occurs.

Ed Kirkpatrick

Ed Kirkpatrick Photography
www.edkirkpatrick.com


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[mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???????] On Behalf Of Rauch,
Shelley
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 1:29 PM
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Subject: [pinhole-discussion] Image not filling out paper


Okay... another newbie question.

One of the cameras that I am using is an oversized oatmeal can.  I'm
using 8X10 paper, which fits perfectly when placed horizontally.

The image isn't taking up the entire area, and I'm wondering what
exactly causes this, and what I can do to get it closer to the edges.

Here is an example of what I'm talking about:
http://www.pbase.com/image/15725356

Shelley C. Rauch
Acquisitions Dept.
(757)890-5116
Tabb-York County Public Library
100 Long Green Blvd.
Yorktown, VA 23693-4138



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