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Package: k3b
Version: 2.0.2-8

Hello,

I find that on Jessie the k3b package requires running a systemd-based OS.

  k3b depends on: udisks2
  udisks2 depends on: libpam-systemd
  libpam-systemd depends on: systemd

This is even more baffling when you consider that the Jessie version of k3b is
2.0.2-8, whereas the Wheezy version is 2.0.2-6. So there are probably no
actual systemd-using changes in the program to mandate its requirement.

Running non-systemd init systems such as 'sysvinit' and 'upstart' is also
a supported configuration in Debian Jessie. But their users can't currently
install k3b without breaking their systems.

Can you please reconsider to update the dependencies so that systemd is not
required to use k3b.

Thanks!

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Roman

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Hi,

> I find that on Jessie the k3b package requires running a systemd-based OS.
> 
>   k3b depends on: udisks2
>   udisks2 depends on: libpam-systemd
>   libpam-systemd depends on: systemd

> Running non-systemd init systems such as 'sysvinit' and 'upstart' is also
> a supported configuration in Debian Jessie. But their users can't currently
> install k3b without breaking their systems.

You are mistaken. "systemd" just installs the binaries, it does not
force you to actually use systemd as your init system. This is explained
in the package description:

  Installing the systemd package will not switch your init system
  unless you boot with init=/bin/systemd or install systemd-sysv in
  addition.

Notice the following dependency of libpam-systemd:

  systemd-shim (>= 8-2) | systemd-sysv

This is what allows you to pick between using systemd as your init, or
another init system + the systemd-shim compatibility layer. In
particular, using upstart or sysvinit works just fine. If it does not,
that's a bug in systemd-shim that you should report there.
As you can see, systemd-shim is even listed as the default, preferred
alternative.

Kind regards,
Ralf

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