On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 08:41:36PM +, Pino Toscano wrote:
Alle lunedì 21 luglio 2008, Pierre Habouzit ha scritto:
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 07:21:12PM +, Ana Guerrero wrote:
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 09:03:42PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 05:44:23PM +, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
On 2008-07-19, Ana Guerrero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-okular, the new KDE 4 document viewer. (source split from KDE 4's
Is it indended to replace or accompany kpdf for Lenny?
I hope not, okular isn't a decent replacement for kpdf for me yet.
seriuosly? first time I have read somebody prefer kpdf over okular.
+ navigation of hyperlinks is badly broken (doesn't jump in the proper
Bug reported but never been able to reproduce myself.
Well, it happens regularly enough to me, and pity you can't reproduce
it, but it's a huge problem to navigate in documents that are thousands
of pages big.
+ I *hate* the left widget with silly icons that eat horizontal space
for no good reason, and miss the previous sliding widget that
implemented the very same in kpdf, and it's a big no-go for me, I've
a small screen on my laptop ;
The silly icons have a reason for being there, but given what you said,
telling the reason is pointless. Anyway, 22px is a so huge problem?
Yes, because of that, I cant have two okular side by side _and_
readable contents on my screen, with kpdf I can. Note that when reduced
to their minimal size, I have to memorize what the icons are for, which
is a regression from the sliding widget in kpdf where there is text I
And there are quite a few quirks that are irritating beyond words,
when you work with huge PDFs files (lots of norms, POSIX documentation,
and whatnot) on a hourly basis.
And do you hope that the few quirks that are irritating will automagically
solve themselves during the night?
I'll tell you what's irritating: users that don't speak even if forced, but
they do really complain (even a lot) about the state of things. This will NOT
help us (and you probably know that).
Well, I have tried it at work for one day, and I'm not payed for
reporting bugs. I had really no time for it, and I went back to kpdf.
I've decided to wait for a more mature kde release so that the number of
quirks goes down and that I can take 5 minutes for reporting the
leftovers rather than a hour I don't have.
+ there are quite a few annoying glitches with the thumbnail
navigation too, I don't recall which though.
I seem to recall something with clicking on thumbnails that doesn't
jump to the page, and scrolling that was horribly slow.
Kpdf may lack a few fancy thingies, but the UI is overall more
Huge POV; many other users actually think the opposite.
Probably, but I still hold it, even if it seems to annoy you.
Like we say in france, the devil is in the details. okular is
gross compared to what kpdf does for now.
Cool with words, eh. It's not like we tried to improve it, to get gross
In fact that's a language issue, I meant rough, not gross. But still,
there are indeed things that look better in okular: the gray shadow in
the thumbnail area is a good idea e.g. Though, it's not yet polished
enough for me. That's all.
Note that I'm now an occasional KDE user now, I only use a couple of
KDE apps, kpdf being among them. I don't know why you're irritated so
(1) I wasn't complaining that okular was bad. It's not, I find it
promising. I merely stated that kpdf was still better for me.
(2) I'm not _required_ to report bugs, I do it when I've the time.
Though since I didn't reported bugs, I didn't complained about
okular taking time to be fixed.
(3) I know what it feel when you worked hard on something and that
after all it wasn't so good. I know it hurt pride and al. but
really, the left icons are not a good UI. And I know I'm not the
only one to think that.
(4) I wasn't judging anyone in my previous mails, but now I am: if
each time someones tells that they don't like okular you get
outraged at this level, then you should really consider quitting.
My Ice Cream vendor isn't annoyed when I say that I don't like his
chocolate flavoured Ice Cream because it's too soft for me, in
fact, it instead creates a new bitter flavor because he knows
he'll have some clients that prefers this one.
 reporting bugs is a huge work, it's not a fire and forget thing,
you have to answer the developers, try new versions, try even
sometimes patches and so on. It's very time consuming, and I know
I won't have that time. There is nothing more annoying than a user
that can't take that time, but still complains about bugs not
being fixed. Knowing that, I prefer not