Verbose build log

2010-06-10 Thread Christophe Mutricy
Hello,

VLC 1.1.0 uses automake 1.11 and so the build can produce non-verbose logs like 
the kernel does for some years.

CC foo.o
CCLD foo.so 
...

We can revert to the old fully verbose behaviour if we like.

Do you know if there is a Debian or pkg-multimedia policy/best-practice on this 
matter.

Verbose log can help debug FTBFS but increase the size of the log by 2 or 3 
order of magnitude

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Re: Verbose build log

2010-06-10 Thread Felipe Sateler
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:12, Christophe Mutricy xto...@chewa.net wrote:
 Hello,

 VLC 1.1.0 uses automake 1.11 and so the build can produce non-verbose logs 
 like the kernel does for some years.

 CC foo.o
 CCLD foo.so
 ...

 We can revert to the old fully verbose behaviour if we like.

 Do you know if there is a Debian or pkg-multimedia policy/best-practice on 
 this matter.

 Verbose log can help debug FTBFS but increase the size of the log by 2 or 3 
 order of magnitude

I would think the time you waste by waiting a 3Mb file to download
instead of a 3Kb file is more than regained by the detailed command
lines which could provide help with problematic flags.

It's still your call, though. I don't believe there is any policy on
this matter.

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Re: Verbose build log

2010-06-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 02:15:05PM -0400, Felipe Sateler wrote:

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:12, Christophe Mutricy xto...@chewa.net wrote:

Hello,

VLC 1.1.0 uses automake 1.11 and so the build can produce non-verbose 
logs like the kernel does for some years.


CC foo.o
CCLD foo.so
...

We can revert to the old fully verbose behaviour if we like.

Do you know if there is a Debian or pkg-multimedia 
policy/best-practice on this matter.


Verbose log can help debug FTBFS but increase the size of the log by 
2 or 3 order of magnitude


I would think the time you waste by waiting a 3Mb file to download 
instead of a 3Kb file is more than regained by the detailed command 
lines which could provide help with problematic flags.


It's still your call, though. I don't believe there is any policy on 
this matter.


Debian Policy is based on common practices, not the other way around.  I 
guess you are right, Felipe, that this is not governed by policy, but 
only because not yet written: I do believe it is a common practice to 
avoid build noise silencers.


Here's one small piece of the puzzle: http://bugs.debian.org/551453

You can probably find some debates with varying viewpoints by searching 
debian-de...@lists.debian.org if not convinced as easy as I was :-)



Kind regards,

 - Jonas

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Re: Verbose build log

2010-06-10 Thread Loïc Minier
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010, Christophe Mutricy wrote:
 We can revert to the old fully verbose behaviour if we like.
 
 Do you know if there is a Debian or pkg-multimedia policy/best-practice on 
 this matter.
 
 Verbose log can help debug FTBFS but increase the size of the log by 2 or 3 
 order of magnitude

 I understand the best practice is to use verbose build logs for package
 builds so that we can still grep them for flags and the like.

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