Re: What is the multimedia future for Squeeze?

2010-03-22 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi,

On Montag, 22. März 2010, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
 As others have mentioned already, Debian itself haven't changed: stable
 is _stable_ and only security-related updates are permitted into it
 after its release - any new features will only occur in testing,
 unstable and experimental.

Actually thats not true anymore. Since etch, bugfixes of severity important 
and higher _are_ (or might be) accepted for stable updates, if the change 
is non-intrusive.
New features are of course not accepted.


cheers,
Holger


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Re: What is the multimedia future for Squeeze?

2010-03-21 Thread info
Jonas,

Thanks for the reply,

I'm sorry to have not been more concise with my question,

My question about Stable was semi-rhetorical. Having observed the pattern
of Debian Stable in the past (and yes I was complaining a little wee bit).
Now that there is a dedicated multimedia packaging team I wonder if AV
Linux should continue with Squeeze (less fresh packages, far more core
library stability) and will there be a better representation of multimedia
updates through down to Stable?. Or will I need to continue using Testing
as a base in order to continue keeping pace?.

Does that make more sense?

I'm not even sure if it is an answerable question...but opinions are a
valued response as well.

Thanks, -GLEN

 Hi Glen,

 On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 12:55:07PM -0700, i...@bandshed.net wrote:

I am a member of this list but not the packaging team, I develop AV
Linux and use your packages from GIT, Unstable and Squeeze regularly.
Last year when I released AV Linux 2.0 based on Squeeze I had to build
about 75% of the Audio applications from source in order to fulfill the
status quo with other Multimedia intensive Distributions. The amount of
ground this team has covered in less than a year is earth-shattering, I
now have less than 10% of my applications outside of the official
Debian channels.

Perhaps in the long term you guys will make me redundant but my user
numbers continue to grow and I have to contemplate what direction to
continue in.

 Perhaps you could see the benefit of maintaining those remaining 10% at
 Alioth?

 In other words: Why not join the team - even if your target it a
 derivative of Debian rather than Debian itself?  I could certainly see a
 benefit in working as close together as possible! :-)



I haven't found Debian Testing/Unstable to be a terrible easy thing to
distribute, as a single developer I don't have an extensive breakage
buffering infrastructure like SiduX does and I basically have to tell
my users not to update and provide them with regular updated ISO
snapshots that I have broken and fixed to a point of useability.

 Interesting.  Seriously.

 I have quite some opinions on ways to produce custom distributions based
 on Debian, but that's off topic for this list.  I'd be happy to discuss
 this topic further at the ble...@lists.debian.org list instead.



Finally to my question(s)...how much of the current pkg-multimedia
inventory will find it's way into Debian 6.0?

 Do you know about the Debian QA pages?  Have a look here:
 http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=pkg-multimedia-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org

 ...and notice the Testing column - that's what will end in next stable
 Debian distribution release, if all goes well.


Also now that there is a pkg-multimedia team in place for the next
stable release will new applications eventually make their way into
Stable? Or will it be the age old pattern of Debian Stable being bliss
for the first few moths of it's release and then being woefully out of
date for multimedia heads?

 Yes, that is exactly how it is: after a few months WHAM! everything is
 old, boring and shitty and everyone are just longing for the next
 release happening ages later.

 Or were you not trolling?  Seems you knew the answer already and really
 wanted to complain.  Perhaps if you rephrase your question it might be
 easier to understand (for me at least).


I wish I could say that Xorg, Udev, Grub2 and other libs have been fun
to work with this past year...but NOT! I'd like to know what to expect
to continue on for the next year. (Or until you guys get rid of me!)

 Again - what is your question here?


 kind regards,

   - Jonas

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Re: What is the multimedia future for Squeeze?

2010-03-21 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 21:53:20 (CET), i...@bandshed.net wrote:
 I'm sorry to have not been more concise with my question,

 My question about Stable was semi-rhetorical. Having observed the pattern
 of Debian Stable in the past (and yes I was complaining a little wee bit).
 Now that there is a dedicated multimedia packaging team I wonder if AV
 Linux should continue with Squeeze (less fresh packages, far more core
 library stability) and will there be a better representation of multimedia
 updates through down to Stable?. Or will I need to continue using Testing
 as a base in order to continue keeping pace?.

 Does that make more sense?

not sure, but you might have guessed it, stable will not see frequent
updates to released packages. This way users can rely that security and
other updates will not change the behavior of deployed packages.

For getting new packages into stable inclusion of updated package in the
backport.org archive can be considered.

-- 
Gruesse/greetings,
Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4

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