Re: dropping -gui flavor from mplayer package
Am 26.01.2010 12:28, schrieb Adrian Knoth: However, there's still VLC and smplayer for those who need a GUI. Okay, convinced. ;) Let's go with Suggests. -- Dipl.-Phys. Fabian Greffrath Ruhr-Universität Bochum Lehrstuhl für Energieanlagen und Energieprozesstechnik (LEAT) Universitätsstr. 150, IB 3/134 D-44780 Bochum Telefon: +49 (0)234 / 32-26334 Fax: +49 (0)234 / 32-14227 E-Mail: greffr...@leat.ruhr-uni-bochum.de ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: dropping -gui flavor from mplayer package
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:13:08PM +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote: > > Hm, my expectation is that I get a user interface when I install a > > package that identifies itself as a media player. People who want to use > > > > Other opinions? > > TBH, I don't see why a media player should need a gui by default. > Espc. mplayer is usually used without gui IME. I don't know how others use mplayer, but I've been typing mplayer -whatever /path/to/file for years now, and I never felt the need for gmplayer or any other GUI, but I'm sure I'm not the reference implementation of "Joe Average User" ;) However, there's still VLC and smplayer for those who need a GUI. Cheerio -- mail: a...@thur.de http://adi.thur.de PGP/GPG: key via keyserver ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: dropping -gui flavor from mplayer package
On Di, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:00:45 (CET), Fabian Greffrath wrote: > Am 25.01.2010 18:20, schrieb Reinhard Tartler: >> I don't think that a "general" mplayer installation needs a gui by >> default. Placing "smplayer | mplayer-gui" in Recommends would do exactly >> that for new installations. Therefore I think we should declare the >> dependency exactly like Fabian suggests, but place it in Suggests of the >> 'mplayer' package instead. > > Hm, my expectation is that I get a user interface when I install a > package that identifies itself as a media player. People who want to use > mplayer for streaming or prefer other frontends can still remove the > default gui. but generally I still think a media player needs a gui by > default. > > Other opinions? TBH, I don't see why a media player should need a gui by default. Espc. mplayer is usually used without gui IME. -- Gruesse/greetings, Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4 ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: dropping -gui flavor from mplayer package
Am 25.01.2010 18:20, schrieb Reinhard Tartler: I don't think that a "general" mplayer installation needs a gui by default. Placing "smplayer | mplayer-gui" in Recommends would do exactly that for new installations. Therefore I think we should declare the dependency exactly like Fabian suggests, but place it in Suggests of the 'mplayer' package instead. Hm, my expectation is that I get a user interface when I install a package that identifies itself as a media player. People who want to use mplayer for streaming or prefer other frontends can still remove the default gui. but generally I still think a media player needs a gui by default. Other opinions? - Fabian -- Dipl.-Phys. Fabian Greffrath Ruhr-Universität Bochum Lehrstuhl für Energieanlagen und Energieprozesstechnik (LEAT) Universitätsstr. 150, IB 3/134 D-44780 Bochum Telefon: +49 (0)234 / 32-26334 Fax: +49 (0)234 / 32-14227 E-Mail: greffr...@leat.ruhr-uni-bochum.de ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: dropping -gui flavor from mplayer package
On Mo, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:02:01 (CET), Fabian Greffrath wrote: > Am 25.01.2010 07:34, schrieb fabrice: >> IMHO, the upgrade should keep some gui installed: so perhaps we should >> have a recommends, or suggest, on smplayer in mplayer package, so the >> upgrade path would be: >> - mplayer -> smplayer >> - mplayer-nogui -> mplayer ? Not sure it's a good idea to actually have >> the same package name with different content, and a strange upgrade path > > +1 > > I think we should drop the gui package and rename mplayer-nogui to > mplayer. The new mplayer package should recommend "smplayer | > mplayer-gui" and all other available frontend packages for mplayer > should be prividing "mplayer-gui". I don't think that a "general" mplayer installation needs a gui by default. Placing "smplayer | mplayer-gui" in Recommends would do exactly that for new installations. Therefore I think we should declare the dependency exactly like Fabian suggests, but place it in Suggests of the 'mplayer' package instead. -- Gruesse/greetings, Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4 ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: dropping -gui flavor from mplayer package
Am 25.01.2010 07:34, schrieb fabrice: IMHO, the upgrade should keep some gui installed: so perhaps we should have a recommends, or suggest, on smplayer in mplayer package, so the upgrade path would be: - mplayer -> smplayer - mplayer-nogui -> mplayer ? Not sure it's a good idea to actually have the same package name with different content, and a strange upgrade path +1 I think we should drop the gui package and rename mplayer-nogui to mplayer. The new mplayer package should recommend "smplayer | mplayer-gui" and all other available frontend packages for mplayer should be prividing "mplayer-gui". - Fabian -- Dipl.-Phys. Fabian Greffrath Ruhr-Universität Bochum Lehrstuhl für Energieanlagen und Energieprozesstechnik (LEAT) Universitätsstr. 150, IB 3/134 D-44780 Bochum Telefon: +49 (0)234 / 32-26334 Fax: +49 (0)234 / 32-14227 E-Mail: greffr...@leat.ruhr-uni-bochum.de ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: dropping -gui flavor from mplayer package
Hi, Reinhard Tartler escribió: >>> the mplayer package. Currently the situation is this: >>> >>> - mplayer-nogui ships a copy of mplayer that does not depend on X11 and >>>related libraries. It is the commongly used variant of mplayer >>> >>> - mplayer contains mplayer-gui, which is known to cause many problems >>>that are known to upstream but they are not interested in fixing >>>them. Have a look at the upstream archives and the bugs filed in >>>launchpad against this >>> >>> - the 'mplayer' package ships a .desktop file with mime-type >>>associations, which makes people use mplayer-gui from filemanagers >>>like nautilus and become the impression that mplayer-gui was actually >>>supposed to work. >>> >>> - there are various other really great 3rd party frontends for mplayer, >>>smplayer seems to be most popular, but there are also others like >>>kmplayer that work much better than the original mplayer-gui variant. >>> >>> fabrice_sp and I discussed the possibility of dropping the mplayer-gui >>> variant and ship non-X11 version of mplayer only. If nobody objects, I >>> intend to merge the mplayer-nogui into the mplayer package, and provide >>> the nongui variant only. The next upload will probably close a large >>> amount of bugs in launchpad then. >>> >>> If someone thinks that this was a bad idea, now would be a great time to >>> speak up! >> I am against dropping gmplayer (the gui for mplayer). Why keeping a package that upstream is not maintaining? > I guess the 'normal' upgrade path would remove gmplayer by default and > have users explicitly install the package, right? IMHO, the upgrade should keep some gui installed: so perhaps we should have a recommends, or suggest, on smplayer in mplayer package, so the upgrade path would be: - mplayer -> smplayer - mplayer-nogui -> mplayer ? Not sure it's a good idea to actually have the same package name with different content, and a strange upgrade path I think we should avoid "I don't have a mplayer gui anymore" bug reports. My 2 cents, Fabrice ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: dropping -gui flavor from mplayer package
On Sa, Jan 23, 2010 at 17:36:35 (CET), Benjamin Drung wrote: > Am Samstag, den 23.01.2010, 16:12 +0100 schrieb Reinhard Tartler: >> [ CC'ing Andrea as I'm not sure if you are actively reading our team >> lists. I haven't seen you active since quite some time ] >> >> Hi folks, >> >> A few weeks ago, fabrice and I discussed dropping the -gui variant from >> the mplayer package. Currently the situation is this: >> >> - mplayer-nogui ships a copy of mplayer that does not depend on X11 and >>related libraries. It is the commongly used variant of mplayer >> >> - mplayer contains mplayer-gui, which is known to cause many problems >>that are known to upstream but they are not interested in fixing >>them. Have a look at the upstream archives and the bugs filed in >>launchpad against this >> >> - the 'mplayer' package ships a .desktop file with mime-type >>associations, which makes people use mplayer-gui from filemanagers >>like nautilus and become the impression that mplayer-gui was actually >>supposed to work. >> >> - there are various other really great 3rd party frontends for mplayer, >>smplayer seems to be most popular, but there are also others like >>kmplayer that work much better than the original mplayer-gui variant. >> >> fabrice_sp and I discussed the possibility of dropping the mplayer-gui >> variant and ship non-X11 version of mplayer only. If nobody objects, I >> intend to merge the mplayer-nogui into the mplayer package, and provide >> the nongui variant only. The next upload will probably close a large >> amount of bugs in launchpad then. >> >> If someone thinks that this was a bad idea, now would be a great time to >> speak up! > > I am against dropping gmplayer (the gui for mplayer). So you are in favor of leaving a known broken package in the archive for wich better alternatives exist and causes endless pain for users without any hope for improvement of the situation? Can you please elaborate on this opinion? > The package names can be improved. Here are my suggestions: > > * mplayer should ship the previous mplayer-nogui package. > > * gmplayer should ship the gmplayer binary (previous mplayer package) Fine with me, the naming was taken over from marillat. I generally agree with this suggestion, because introducing a new name for the package would make it a bit less visible. It would still be around, though. I guess the 'normal' upgrade path would remove gmplayer by default and have users explicitly install the package, right? -- Gruesse/greetings, Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4 ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
Re: dropping -gui flavor from mplayer package
Am Samstag, den 23.01.2010, 16:12 +0100 schrieb Reinhard Tartler: > [ CC'ing Andrea as I'm not sure if you are actively reading our team > lists. I haven't seen you active since quite some time ] > > Hi folks, > > A few weeks ago, fabrice and I discussed dropping the -gui variant from > the mplayer package. Currently the situation is this: > > - mplayer-nogui ships a copy of mplayer that does not depend on X11 and >related libraries. It is the commongly used variant of mplayer > > - mplayer contains mplayer-gui, which is known to cause many problems >that are known to upstream but they are not interested in fixing >them. Have a look at the upstream archives and the bugs filed in >launchpad against this > > - the 'mplayer' package ships a .desktop file with mime-type >associations, which makes people use mplayer-gui from filemanagers >like nautilus and become the impression that mplayer-gui was actually >supposed to work. > > - there are various other really great 3rd party frontends for mplayer, >smplayer seems to be most popular, but there are also others like >kmplayer that work much better than the original mplayer-gui variant. > > fabrice_sp and I discussed the possibility of dropping the mplayer-gui > variant and ship non-X11 version of mplayer only. If nobody objects, I > intend to merge the mplayer-nogui into the mplayer package, and provide > the nongui variant only. The next upload will probably close a large > amount of bugs in launchpad then. > > If someone thinks that this was a bad idea, now would be a great time to > speak up! I am against dropping gmplayer (the gui for mplayer). The package names can be improved. Here are my suggestions: * mplayer should ship the previous mplayer-nogui package. * gmplayer should ship the gmplayer binary (previous mplayer package) -- Benjamin Drung Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Maintainer (www.debian.org) signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
dropping -gui flavor from mplayer package
[ CC'ing Andrea as I'm not sure if you are actively reading our team lists. I haven't seen you active since quite some time ] Hi folks, A few weeks ago, fabrice and I discussed dropping the -gui variant from the mplayer package. Currently the situation is this: - mplayer-nogui ships a copy of mplayer that does not depend on X11 and related libraries. It is the commongly used variant of mplayer - mplayer contains mplayer-gui, which is known to cause many problems that are known to upstream but they are not interested in fixing them. Have a look at the upstream archives and the bugs filed in launchpad against this - the 'mplayer' package ships a .desktop file with mime-type associations, which makes people use mplayer-gui from filemanagers like nautilus and become the impression that mplayer-gui was actually supposed to work. - there are various other really great 3rd party frontends for mplayer, smplayer seems to be most popular, but there are also others like kmplayer that work much better than the original mplayer-gui variant. fabrice_sp and I discussed the possibility of dropping the mplayer-gui variant and ship non-X11 version of mplayer only. If nobody objects, I intend to merge the mplayer-nogui into the mplayer package, and provide the nongui variant only. The next upload will probably close a large amount of bugs in launchpad then. If someone thinks that this was a bad idea, now would be a great time to speak up! -- Gruesse/greetings, Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4 ___ pkg-multimedia-maintainers mailing list pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-multimedia-maintainers
