Re: 'plugdev' considered harmful - affected packages and maintainers?

2016-10-11 Thread Martin Pitt
Petter Reinholdtsen [2016-10-11 8:20 +0200]: > Because in Jessie the pam_group trick to add plugdev to a console users > groups seem to be in effect, while in Stretch it is not. TTBOMK we never configured /etc/security/group.conf with any non-comment default values. Before we got "uaccess" in

Re: 'plugdev' considered harmful - affected packages and maintainers?

2016-10-11 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Michael Biebl] >> Right. I worry that unless such documentation show up very soon, a lot >> of hardware related packages will fail to work for console users out of >> the box in Stretch. :/ > > Why? It's basically the same situation as in jessie afaics. Because in Jessie the pam_group trick to

Re: 'plugdev' considered harmful - affected packages and maintainers?

2016-10-10 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 10.10.2016 um 23:41 schrieb Petter Reinholdtsen: > [Felipe Sateler] >> Unfortunately, it appears not. Michael filed an issue upstream[1] to >> document this better, but I have not found any alternative document. >> >> [1] https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/4288 > > Right. I worry that

Re: 'plugdev' considered harmful - affected packages and maintainers?

2016-10-10 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Felipe Sateler] > Unfortunately, it appears not. Michael filed an issue upstream[1] to > document this better, but I have not found any alternative document. > > [1] https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/4288 Right. I worry that unless such documentation show up very soon, a lot of hardware

Re: 'plugdev' considered harmful - affected packages and maintainers?

2016-10-10 Thread Felipe Sateler
On 10 October 2016 at 09:14, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > Is there now some policy document I can point these maintainers to, to > try to get the situation amended before Stretch is frozen? Unfortunately, it appears not. Michael filed an issue upstream[1] to document this

'plugdev' considered harmful - affected packages and maintainers?

2016-10-10 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
Hi Michael asked me to send this here. We talked the other day about the policy change regarding plugdev/uaccess, and Michael said he did not believe it affected that many packages. I got curious and decided to try to figure out how many packages were affected. First I installed all packages