Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-06 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Sunday 04 April 2010 23:30:38 Zack Rusin wrote: On Sunday 04 April 2010 15:48:32 Sebastian Kügler wrote: The amount of opportunities to tear your hair out in X.org land is near inifinite. Well, it's a lot like feeding a tiger - it's not that really difficult, it's just a bit dangerous

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-06 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On April 5, 2010, Will Stephenson wrote: The output config should be stored as part of the KDE config (Kephal I guess) +1, and this is where KDE really falls behind the competition now that fewer Xorgs have fixed configuration files, and we don't have store/restorable X configuration in

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-05 Thread Will Stephenson
On Sunday 04 April 2010 23:30:38 Zack Rusin wrote: On Sunday 04 April 2010 15:48:32 Sebastian Kügler wrote: On Saturday 03 April 2010 21:06:00 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On April 2, 2010, Detlev Casanova wrote: On Thursday 01 April 2010 20:15:40 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On April 1, 2010,

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-05 Thread Will Stephenson
On Sunday 04 April 2010 22:24:11 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On April 4, 2010, Detlev Casanova wrote: Is the current Kephal API correct ? i haven't done a thorough API review of it myself. using it has been quite straightforward. The only parts of Kephal currently in use are the Screens API and

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-04 Thread Will Stephenson
On Friday 02 April 2010 14:13:03 Aike J Sommer wrote: Well.. A Screen is the logical area to which you can maximize a window for example, or which has a panel at the bottom! An output is the actual physical hardware / monitor... So, for each connector that appears when calling xrandr there

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-04 Thread Detlev Casanova
On Saturday 03 April 2010 21:04:33 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On April 2, 2010, Will Stephenson wrote: Björn's description matches the xrandr model, but not the Kephal one. Xrandr 1.3 has a single Screen numbered 0 but does not support additional Screens; xrandr Screens are distinct from the

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-04 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On April 4, 2010, Detlev Casanova wrote: On Saturday 03 April 2010 21:04:33 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On April 2, 2010, Will Stephenson wrote: Björn's description matches the xrandr model, but not the Kephal one. Xrandr 1.3 has a single Screen numbered 0 but does not support additional

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-04 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Saturday 03 April 2010 21:06:00 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On April 2, 2010, Detlev Casanova wrote: On Thursday 01 April 2010 20:15:40 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On April 1, 2010, Will Stephenson wrote: Aaron, do you think there's another GSoC project in completing Kephal? yes,

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-04 Thread Zack Rusin
On Sunday 04 April 2010 15:48:32 Sebastian Kügler wrote: On Saturday 03 April 2010 21:06:00 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On April 2, 2010, Detlev Casanova wrote: On Thursday 01 April 2010 20:15:40 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On April 1, 2010, Will Stephenson wrote: Aaron, do you think there's

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-03 Thread Aike J Sommer
Am 02.04.2010 12:06, schrieb Will Stephenson: On Friday 02 April 2010 00:09:01 Björn Ruberg wrote: I have to check the difference between Monitor, Screen, Display and Head or are those actually the same thing ? Monitor, Display and Head are probably the same - in Kephal they are named as

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-03 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On April 2, 2010, Will Stephenson wrote: Björn's description matches the xrandr model, but not the Kephal one. Xrandr 1.3 has a single Screen numbered 0 but does not support additional Screens; xrandr Screens are distinct from the screennumber in X's $DISPLAY, and multiple Screen support is

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-03 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On April 2, 2010, Detlev Casanova wrote: On Thursday 01 April 2010 20:15:40 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On April 1, 2010, Will Stephenson wrote: Aaron, do you think there's another GSoC project in completing Kephal? yes, particularly on the storing / restoring of configurations and

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-03 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On April 2, 2010, Detlev Casanova wrote: On Friday 02 April 2010 16:26:36 todd rme wrote: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Detlev Casanova detlev.casan...@gmail.com wrote: So, my point is : there are problems. So far, what's the link with plasma you might ask. Well, I'd like the

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-02 Thread Will Stephenson
On Thursday 01 April 2010 20:07:14 Chani wrote: On April 1, 2010 09:40:12 Björn Ruberg wrote: Hello, I fully agree with Detlev's points. The multiscreen management is very bad in KDE currently, although in KDE 4.4 it is a little better than in KDE 4.3. Every time I want to plug a

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-02 Thread Will Stephenson
On Friday 02 April 2010 00:09:01 Björn Ruberg wrote: I have to check the difference between Monitor, Screen, Display and Head or are those actually the same thing ? Monitor, Display and Head are probably the same - in Kephal they are named as Output. Screen ist actually something

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-02 Thread Will Stephenson
On Thursday 01 April 2010 21:28:38 Detlev Casanova wrote: On Thursday 01 April 2010 18:13:09 Will Stephenson wrote: On Thursday 01 April 2010 16:35:59 Detlev Casanova wrote: What do you think ? All great features, but you should look at

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-02 Thread todd rme
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Detlev Casanova detlev.casan...@gmail.com wrote: So, my point is : there are problems. So far, what's the link with plasma you might ask. Well, I'd like the device notifier to react when a monitor is plugged in, showing the screen. 2 actions should be possible

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-02 Thread Detlev Casanova
On Friday 02 April 2010 16:26:36 todd rme wrote: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Detlev Casanova detlev.casan...@gmail.com wrote: So, my point is : there are problems. So far, what's the link with plasma you might ask. Well, I'd like the device notifier to react when a monitor is

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-02 Thread Detlev Casanova
On Thursday 01 April 2010 20:15:40 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On April 1, 2010, Will Stephenson wrote: Aaron, do you think there's another GSoC project in completing Kephal? yes, particularly on the storing / restoring of configurations and integrating it with the existing UI elements (device

GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-01 Thread Detlev Casanova
Hello folks ! I'd like to work with you this summer (and even longer after that :-) ). So, there's something in KDE that I find not really nice, It's the multiscreen management. For instance, I have an extra monitor for my laptop which I use every day but I also unplug it every day. The problem

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-01 Thread todd rme
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Detlev Casanova detlev.casan...@gmail.com wrote: So, my point is : there are problems. So far, what's the link with plasma you might ask. Well, I'd like the device notifier to react when a monitor is plugged in, showing the screen. 2 actions should be possible

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-01 Thread Will Stephenson
On Thursday 01 April 2010 16:35:59 Detlev Casanova wrote: I'd like to work with you this summer (and even longer after that :-) ). So, there's something in KDE that I find not really nice, It's the multiscreen management. For instance, I have an extra monitor for my laptop which I use every

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-01 Thread Asraniel
Hei, i would just like to add my support for that idea, because as of kde 4.4, my second screen has no more wallpaper (plasma) and if i set dragonplayer to fullscreen on it, it goes to the first screen (kwin?). this is sadly with the nvidia driver. It would be great to have a more robust

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-01 Thread Björn Ruberg
Hello, I fully agree with Detlev's points. The multiscreen management is very bad in KDE currently, although in KDE 4.4 it is a little better than in KDE 4.3. Every time I want to plug a beamer to my laptop in university I have to fight up to one minute getting every thing correct - and the

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-01 Thread Chani
On April 1, 2010 09:40:12 Björn Ruberg wrote: Hello, I fully agree with Detlev's points. The multiscreen management is very bad in KDE currently, although in KDE 4.4 it is a little better than in KDE 4.3. Every time I want to plug a beamer to my laptop in university I have to fight up to

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-01 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On April 1, 2010, Will Stephenson wrote: Aaron, do you think there's another GSoC project in completing Kephal? yes, particularly on the storing / restoring of configurations and integrating it with the existing UI elements (device notifier and providing a more user- friendly alternative to the

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-01 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On April 1, 2010, Asraniel wrote: Hei, i would just like to add my support for that idea, because as of kde 4.4, my second screen has no more wallpaper (plasma) and if i set dual head? or is the second screen just not being seen at all? can you provide some debug output from plasma-desktop

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-01 Thread Detlev Casanova
On Thursday 01 April 2010 18:13:09 Will Stephenson wrote: On Thursday 01 April 2010 16:35:59 Detlev Casanova wrote: I'd like to work with you this summer (and even longer after that :-) ). So, there's something in KDE that I find not really nice, It's the multiscreen management. For

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-01 Thread Detlev Casanova
On Thursday 01 April 2010 18:40:12 Björn Ruberg wrote: Hello, I fully agree with Detlev's points. The multiscreen management is very bad in KDE currently, although in KDE 4.4 it is a little better than in KDE 4.3. Every time I want to plug a beamer to my laptop in university I have to fight

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-01 Thread Detlev Casanova
On Thursday 01 April 2010 20:15:40 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On April 1, 2010, Will Stephenson wrote: Aaron, do you think there's another GSoC project in completing Kephal? yes, particularly on the storing / restoring of configurations and integrating it with the existing UI elements (device

Re: GSoC : Multiscreen management

2010-04-01 Thread Björn Ruberg
I have to check the difference between Monitor, Screen, Display and Head or are those actually the same thing ? Monitor, Display and Head are probably the same - in Kephal they are named as Output. Screen ist actually something different. A screen can have several outputs ordered left to