Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-05-07 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Saturday, May 5, 2012 09:37:16 Martin Gräßlin wrote: On Friday 04 May 2012 23:02:16 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: * combine present windows with application launching (e.g. SAL, Kickoff or KRunner) wrong. we just move this into kwin. no need to touch the shell. after all, it isn't evne

Re: Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-05-05 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Friday 04 May 2012 23:02:16 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Thursday, April 26, 2012 14:52:55 Martin Gräßlin wrote: If we look around we see that both GNOME Shell and Unity went for an i will remind you that you wrote this in a few years and we can see how each has done. ;) Please do so. I'm

Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-05-05 Thread Marco Martin
On this issue i must admit i still don't have a definite opinion, so what follows are some toughts on random directions on the topic. I see in both approaches solutions to many problems and cause of a new set. having worked on the plasma active window strip in various incarnations makes me

Re: Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-05-05 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Saturday 05 May 2012 14:15:02 Marco Martin wrote: but having the shell and windowmanager merged in one process also gives strong side effects, as noted from stability to speed. a cpu intensive task by the shell can slow down the whole window namager (and i would love the window manager

Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-05-04 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Thursday, April 26, 2012 14:52:55 Martin Gräßlin wrote: If we look around we see that both GNOME Shell and Unity went for an i will remind you that you wrote this in a few years and we can see how each has done. ;) keep in mind that one of Microsoft's great progressions with windows was

Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-04-26 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Monday, April 23, 2012 17:42:42 Martin Gräßlin wrote: My expectation from the sprint is that we will figure out a new interaction of the shell and windowing system which is not possible at the moment. We have pretty much reached what's possible with Plasma tells KWin what to do. But turning

Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-04-26 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Monday, April 23, 2012 12:21:17 Sebastian Kügler wrote: Those cannot be dismissed as technology before vision because we already have identified these things as crucial to move on with our vision. Now it's this is, imo, the crux of the matter: our vision many of the people who will be

Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-04-26 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Monday, April 23, 2012 17:40:48 Alex Fiestas wrote: That doesn't mean that I won't work on libplasma2 and QML effort porting for the greater good, but they are not my responsability just right now, they will be int he future (I guess). i think some may have the concern that if the meeting

Re: Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-04-26 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Thursday 26 April 2012 12:41:32 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Monday, April 23, 2012 17:42:42 Martin Gräßlin wrote: My expectation from the sprint is that we will figure out a new interaction of the shell and windowing system which is not possible at the moment. We have pretty much reached

Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-04-23 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Friday, April 20, 2012 15:39:02 Daker Fernandes Pinheiro wrote: I also agree that the vision must be over the limitations, specially when the concern is how to prioritize the development. In principle, basing development of technology onto a vision is the correct approach. There's a big

Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-04-23 Thread Marco Martin
On Monday 23 April 2012, Sebastian Kügler wrote: Or put simply: Homework first. Now if the sprint would be: let's take two days to reflect on the current state and define where we want to go, and then take 5 days to sit down and clear the road for getting there, that would be an approach I'd

Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-04-23 Thread Sebastian Kügler
Addressing these two concerns individually: On Friday, April 20, 2012 15:19:14 Alex Fiestas wrote: 1-Everybody joings libplasma2 development, coordination is a mess, lot of new people working in old code etc, not ideal. I don't see why this would happen, we just need to coordinate and talk to

Re: Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-04-23 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 23 April 2012 13:03:56 Marco Martin wrote: On Monday 23 April 2012, Sebastian Kügler wrote: Or put simply: Homework first. Now if the sprint would be: let's take two days to reflect on the current state and define where we want to go, and then take 5 days to sit down and clear

Re: Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-04-23 Thread Alex Fiestas
On Monday, April 23, 2012 02:33:45 PM Sebastian Kügler wrote: Addressing these two concerns individually: On Friday, April 20, 2012 15:19:14 Alex Fiestas wrote: 1-Everybody joings libplasma2 development, coordination is a mess, lot of new people working in old code etc, not ideal. I

Re: Re: Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-04-23 Thread Alex Fiestas
+1 to what Martin Gräßlin said though in my case I want to see the current stuff ported to QML so we can support the current shell in the future, it has a lot of advantages I'd like to keep. On Monday, April 23, 2012 05:42:42 PM Martin Gräßlin wrote: My expectation from the sprint is that we

Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-04-20 Thread Marco Martin
On Thursday 19 April 2012, Alex Fiestas wrote: Hi there ! It is official, The vision sprint is going to take place in Pineda de Mar (Barcelona) from 11 Jun to 18 Jun ! Just as a reminder, we will * NOT * do any programing in there, the sprint is to create a Vision and to plan the work

Re: Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-04-20 Thread Alex Fiestas
On Friday, April 20, 2012 02:20:58 PM Marco Martin wrote: I expressed my concerns before, i'll do it again: i think this is really not the time to do it, any good intention and vision is not much use if there is not the technical foundation being layd down, and at the moment there isn't. i

Re: Re: Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-04-20 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Friday 20 April 2012 15:19:14 Alex Fiestas wrote: On Friday, April 20, 2012 02:20:58 PM Marco Martin wrote: I expressed my concerns before, i'll do it again: i think this is really not the time to do it, any good intention and vision is not much use if there is not the technical

Re: Re: Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-04-20 Thread Dario Freddi
Il 20 aprile 2012 15:40, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org ha scritto: On Friday 20 April 2012 15:19:14 Alex Fiestas wrote: On Friday, April 20, 2012 02:20:58 PM Marco Martin wrote: I expressed my concerns before, i'll do it again: i think this is really not the time to do it, any good

Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-04-20 Thread Daker Fernandes Pinheiro
On 04/20/2012 11:33 AM, Dario Freddi wrote: Il 20 aprile 2012 15:40, Martin Gräßlinmgraess...@kde.org ha scritto: On Friday 20 April 2012 15:19:14 Alex Fiestas wrote: On Friday, April 20, 2012 02:20:58 PM Marco Martin wrote: I expressed my concerns before, i'll do it again: i think this is

Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-04-19 Thread Ivan Čukić
It needs live video feeds. Some of us would like to chime in while unable to go to Barcelona for the meeting. Cheerio! ___ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel

Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-04-19 Thread Dario Freddi
Il 19 aprile 2012 08:52, Ivan Čukić ivan.cu...@kde.org ha scritto: It needs live video feeds. Some of us would like to chime in while unable to go to Barcelona for the meeting. That's indeed a good idea, which makes me thing about something which in last Solid sprint worked out quite well. What

Re: Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-04-19 Thread Alex Fiestas
On Thursday, April 19, 2012 08:52:53 AM Ivan Čukić wrote: It needs live video feeds. Some of us would like to chime in while unable to go to Barcelona for the meeting. Dunno if we will be able to do that :/ but I we will try ! at least we can do voice + irc (something that is done in UDS) that

Re: Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-04-19 Thread Ivan Cukic
On Thursday, 19. April 2012. 12.15.42 Alex Fiestas wrote: On Thursday, April 19, 2012 08:52:53 AM Ivan Čukić wrote: It needs live video feeds. Some of us would like to chime in while unable to go to Barcelona for the meeting. Dunno if we will be able to do that :/ but I we will try ! at

Next Iteration Sprint, confirmed !

2012-04-18 Thread Alex Fiestas
Hi there ! It is official, The vision sprint is going to take place in Pineda de Mar (Barcelona) from 11 Jun to 18 Jun ! Just as a reminder, we will * NOT * do any programing in there, the sprint is to create a Vision and to plan the work what attendees (and any other KDE hacker/collaborator