Re: Re: RFC: Use Grid as default for KWin's Presnt windows effect

2015-01-12 Thread Martin Klapetek
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: Also what exactly does suck about it? The problems with the non natural layouts are various, e.g.: * windows might get too small as all windows have same size I believe that's not really a problem, see the

Re: Re: Re: RFC: Use Grid as default for KWin's Presnt windows effect

2015-01-12 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 12 January 2015 12:12:07 Martin Klapetek wrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: Also what exactly does suck about it? The problems with the non natural layouts are various, e.g.: * windows might get too small as all windows have same

Re: RFC: Use Grid as default for KWin's Presnt windows effect

2015-01-10 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Friday 09 January 2015 17:16:56 Martin Klapetek wrote: Hey there, so I've been thinking about the Present Windows effect of KWin. The default setting for laying the windows out is currently Natural, but to me that layout looks rather random as the windows are scattered all around with

Re: RFC: Use Grid as default for KWin's Presnt windows effect

2015-01-10 Thread Martin Klapetek
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: -2 The reason for the natural layout is that the other layout sucks. That was what we shipped with in 4.0 and 4.1. Let's learn from history and don't repeat it . What was the history? I was not around at that time.

Re: Re: RFC: Use Grid as default for KWin's Presnt windows effect

2015-01-10 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Saturday 10 January 2015 17:54:34 Martin Klapetek wrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: -2 The reason for the natural layout is that the other layout sucks. That was what we shipped with in 4.0 and 4.1. Let's learn from history and don't

Re: RFC: Use Grid as default for KWin's Presnt windows effect

2015-01-09 Thread Aleix Pol
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Martin Klapetek martin.klape...@gmail.com wrote: Hey there, so I've been thinking about the Present Windows effect of KWin. The default setting for laying the windows out is currently Natural, but to me that layout looks rather random as the windows are

Re: RFC: Use Grid as default for KWin's Presnt windows effect

2015-01-09 Thread Ivan Čukić
so I've been thinking about the Present Windows effect of KWin. The default setting for laying the windows out is currently Natural, but to me that layout looks rather random as the windows are scattered all around with different sizes and for me personally it's +1, though the grid layout

Re: RFC: Use Grid as default for KWin's Presnt windows effect

2015-01-09 Thread Andres Betts
My only objection to that is that the grid will end up making the each window generally smaller until it could be hard to know what window represents what content. There are other methods that could be used for that, like stacking similar windows close together, or having really good typography

RFC: Use Grid as default for KWin's Presnt windows effect

2015-01-09 Thread Martin Klapetek
Hey there, so I've been thinking about the Present Windows effect of KWin. The default setting for laying the windows out is currently Natural, but to me that layout looks rather random as the windows are scattered all around with different sizes and for me personally it's always hard jumping

Re: RFC: Use Grid as default for KWin's Presnt windows effect

2015-01-09 Thread Jens Reuterberg
One idea could be to use the size differences and placement mean something. Say that I have five windows open, one that I use constantly and one that keep checking out every now and then - the placement that would make most sense then is to make sure that I as a user can quickest focus on the

Re: RFC: Use Grid as default for KWin's Presnt windows effect

2015-01-09 Thread Andres Betts
Maybe another thing that could help in the case of having a ton of windows is to actually have them all be presented and not shaded. So not making all of them be dark and only lighten up the one where the cursor is over. Maybe in the VDG we could come up with some ideas. You could post it there

Re: RFC: Use Grid as default for KWin's Presnt windows effect

2015-01-09 Thread Martin Klapetek
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Andres Betts anditosan1...@gmail.com wrote: My only objection to that is that the grid will end up making the each window generally smaller until it could be hard to know what window represents what content. There are other methods that could be used for that,