On 20.08.2013 07:06, Martin Graesslin wrote:
I do want to promote KWin for the usage in LXDE/Razor as in the next version
we will hardly have any build-time dependencies from frameworks higher than
tier1. I'm concerned that a generic name Plasma would work against that as
it would be difficult
On 19.08.2013 21:56, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
Hi...
after seeing the Nth time that we don’t know if the next release will be
called Plasma Workspaces 2 or something else, i’d like to find consensus on
this point so we can move forward in communication with confidence.
the first point that we’ve
On Thursday 05 September 2013 13:25:33 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
On 20.08.2013 07:06, Martin Graesslin wrote:
I do want to promote KWin for the usage in LXDE/Razor as in the next
version we will hardly have any build-time dependencies from frameworks
higher than tier1. I'm concerned that a
On Friday 30 August 2013 19:44:40 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
If we say that “KDE Plasma” makes “Plasma” too much “KDE”, then we are
creating a real problem for ourselves: nothing can use “KDE” in conjunction
with its project name since that too would suggest exclusivity.
There's another thing into
On Saturday, August 31, 2013 13:35:27 Marco Martin wrote:
The one thing that i would really love to get away with tough is replacng
the conception of for KDE (and therefore unusable everywhere else as
KDE was a different operating system altogether) with by KDE
This is something some of us
On Friday, August 30, 2013 19:44:40 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
If we say that “KDE Plasma” makes “Plasma” too much “KDE”, then we are
creating a real problem for ourselves
+1.
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On Friday 30 August 2013, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
Without KDE being a brand with value, we lose one of the larger reasons to
add your project to the KDE galaxy of products.
We need to move “KDE” into the direction of being our “Toyota” or “Sony”.
Just because there is a Toyota Camry does not
On Friday, August 23, 2013 11:50:20 Marco Martin wrote:
On Thursday 22 August 2013 23:20:11 Giorgos Tsiapaliokas wrote:
KDE, for instance the most references in plasma active are
Plasma Active and not KDE Plasma Active, but PA doesn't have any
distance from KDE. I believe that projects take
On Thursday 22 August 2013 23:20:11 Giorgos Tsiapaliokas wrote:
KDE, for instance the most references in plasma active are
Plasma Active and not KDE Plasma Active, but PA doesn't have any
distance from KDE. I believe that projects take some distance
from KDE when they stop referring to it and
Hello to all,
To me is the contrary,.. what is now plasma+kwin gets seenn by people as
the
KDE
if becomes just Plasma, then become a desktop by KDE, not the KDE
desktop, would be more a normal citizen,
making room for instance Razor+Lxde to become another desktop by KDE
+1
+1 for
On Wednesday 21 August 2013 19:36:21 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
2013/8/21 Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org:
On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 17:12:10 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
2013/8/21 Martin Graesslin mgraess...@kde.org:
Yes I noticed that for example you still talk about KDE as software in
2013/8/21 Martin Graesslin mgraess...@kde.org:
On Wednesday 21 August 2013 19:36:21 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
[...]
Ok, then what am I doing wrong in calling my stuff KDE stuff?
http://manifesto.kde.org/benefits.html lists what I do on my
projects, I was arguing about Martin saying that I talk
Hello,
On 21 August 2013 12:49, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote:
My vote would go for Plasma.
+1, just Plasma without KDE.
On 21 August 2013 21:38, Martin Graesslin mgraess...@kde.org wrote:
another idea: let's drop the version number completely and only use it
internally
On Thursday 22 August 2013 20:36:24 Giorgos Tsiapaliokas wrote:
Hello,
On 21 August 2013 12:49, Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com wrote:
My vote would go for Plasma.
+1, just Plasma without KDE.
On 21 August 2013 21:38, Martin Graesslin mgraess...@kde.org wrote:
another idea: let's
On Wednesday 21 August 2013 20:38:05 Martin Graesslin wrote:
On Monday 19 August 2013 21:56:35 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
Other proposals, ideas, tweaks to the above most welcome, but let’s try to
come to a consensus on this matter before the end of this month.
another idea: let's drop the
Hello,
with the chaotic nature of (future) release cycles for individual
components the date version number format (for example 2013.08) is
probably a good idea :)
If I am not mistaken it was actually you (Martin G.) who initially
suggested that :)
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Martin
My thoughts below.
- Dropping the term workspace:
Seems sensible to me. It even seems this was the original intention [0].
- Calling it version 2.
This makes a lot of sense, having a software compilation of KDE Plasma 5.x
and KDE Applications 5.y, where x and y are different would be very very
On 22 August 2013 21:26, David Edmundson da...@davidedmundson.co.uk wrote:
One thing that wasn't clear to me on the original proposals and has just
been mentioned by Giorgos is the prefix KDE.
KDE is not just the community but also an umbrella brand for the
technology created by the KDE
On Monday 19 August 2013, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
Other proposals, ideas, tweaks to the above most welcome, but let’s try to
come to a consensus on this matter before the end of this month.
then we can all move forward in confidence together, whatever it is we
decide.
after thinking about
My 2c,
On KDE 4 aka KDE SC 4, plasma was always just plasma,
no user says I'm using the plasma shell (as there isn't another
KDE option).
I think even if Plasma is numbered after 2, users will still say
they have installed KDE 5 or KDE SC 5, the marketing imo
must go to the whole SC 5 and not to
On Wednesday 21 August 2013, Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
My 2c,
On KDE 4 aka KDE SC 4, plasma was always just plasma,
no user says I'm using the plasma shell (as there isn't another
KDE option).
Incidently, the whole SC stuff, was never intended for marketing and public
communication, but it
2013/8/21 Marco Martin notm...@gmail.com:
On Wednesday 21 August 2013, Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
My 2c,
On KDE 4 aka KDE SC 4, plasma was always just plasma,
no user says I'm using the plasma shell (as there isn't another
KDE option).
Incidently, the whole SC stuff, was never intended for
On Wednesday 21 August 2013 11:29:52 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
My 2c,
On KDE 4 aka KDE SC 4, plasma was always just plasma,
no user says I'm using the plasma shell (as there isn't another
KDE option).
this might change. Consider Razor/LXDE joining the KDE umbrella. What then?
From one day to
2013/8/21 Martin Graesslin mgraess...@kde.org:
On Wednesday 21 August 2013 11:29:52 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
My 2c,
On KDE 4 aka KDE SC 4, plasma was always just plasma,
no user says I'm using the plasma shell (as there isn't another
KDE option).
this might change. Consider Razor/LXDE
On Wednesday 21 August 2013 13:52:06 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
2013/8/21 Martin Graesslin mgraess...@kde.org:
On Wednesday 21 August 2013 11:29:52 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
My 2c,
On KDE 4 aka KDE SC 4, plasma was always just plasma,
no user says I'm using the plasma shell (as there isn't
On Monday 19 August 2013 21:56:35 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
Other proposals, ideas, tweaks to the above most welcome, but let’s try to
come to a consensus on this matter before the end of this month.
another idea: let's drop the version number completely and only use it
internally (bugtracker,
2013/8/21 Martin Graesslin mgraess...@kde.org:
On Wednesday 21 August 2013 13:52:06 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
2013/8/21 Martin Graesslin mgraess...@kde.org:
On Wednesday 21 August 2013 11:29:52 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
this might change. Consider Razor/LXDE joining the KDE umbrella. What
2013/8/21 Martin Graesslin mgraess...@kde.org:
Yes I noticed that for example you still talk about KDE as software in your
blog posts. To be honest I have to cringe if I read it, because it makes the
task of everyone more difficult who tries to work on the repositioning of the
brand.
Well if I
On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 17:12:10 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
2013/8/21 Martin Graesslin mgraess...@kde.org:
Yes I noticed that for example you still talk about KDE as software in
your
blog posts. To be honest I have to cringe if I read it, because it makes
the task of everyone more
I wonder: If KDE will not define and Release an internally consistent
'SC' anymore, then how should packagers differentiate between Minor
Version and Point Release Updates for their end users?
I understand the use of an RPM or Deb name such as Task-KDE-Plasma
used as a collection, defining
On Wednesday 21 August 2013 14:39:36 Rick Stockton wrote:
BTW, as a (mostly) end-User, I'm fine (and prefer) Plasma-2. But KDE
without base SC Releases will tend to fragment Distro content
selection, right?
sorry, I have to be a bit tedious here :p
isn't this material for a completely
2013/8/21 Sebastian Kügler se...@kde.org:
On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 17:12:10 Daniel Nicoletti wrote:
2013/8/21 Martin Graesslin mgraess...@kde.org:
Yes I noticed that for example you still talk about KDE as software in
your
blog posts. To be honest I have to cringe if I read it,
Hi Plasma folks,
This thread has been fascinating reading. I hope that after you reach a
tentative conclusion, that you make a proposal to a list with a wider KDE
audience, such as the KDE-Community list. KDE-devel, KDE-core-devel and
KDE-Promo are some of the other possibilities to at least ping
On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 07:06:10 Martin Graesslin wrote:
On Monday 19 August 2013 21:56:35 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
3. â2â ... why âtwoâ if this is version 5? well, libplasma is
actually
going to be version 6 iirc, so it isnât the library. i also am not a big
believer in
On Tuesday 20 August 2013 09:56:59 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
one tempting idea is to promote “Plasma Active” up as the name used for all
the workspaces ...
I would vote against Plasma Active as that might end up at the users (and
media and they can get it wrong big times) as we drop the desktop
On Tuesday 20 August 2013, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
That’s also what I see in the openSuse packages.
So, yes, I got the # wrong .. it’s 3, not 5 currently .. so we’d end up
with 4 unless we skip it go to 5. Still, the “number used in the name
doesn’t match the version number of insert
On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:56:41 Marco Martin wrote:
On Tuesday 20 August 2013, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
That’s also what I see in the openSuse packages.
So, yes, I got the # wrong .. it’s 3, not 5 currently .. so we’d end up
with 4 unless we skip it go to 5. Still, the “number used in
On Monday, August 19, 2013 21:56:35 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
[ snipperdeesnip ]
“KDE’s Plasma workspaces come in Desktop, Netbook, Tablet and
Mediacenter
flavours...”
“KDE’s Plasma provides user experiences for desktop, netbook, tablet,
..”
given that we are moving to a “grand
On Monday, August 19, 2013 21:56:35 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
given that we are moving to a “grand unified shell” approach where the
different user experiences flow seamlessly from one to the next, it may
make sense to drop the concept that there is such huge differentiation that
they are the
Hi...
after seeing the Nth time that we don’t know if the next release will be
called Plasma Workspaces 2 or something else, i’d like to find consensus on
this point so we can move forward in communication with confidence.
the first point that we’ve all been around a million times, but i will
On Monday 19 August 2013 21:56:35 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
3. ‘2’ ... why “two” if this is version 5? well, libplasma is actually going
to be version 6 iirc, so it isn’t the library.
Not that its relevant for the rest of the discussion, but as the library
number itself is concerned you can make
On Monday 19 August 2013, Kevin Ottens wrote:
On Monday 19 August 2013 21:56:35 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
3. ‘2’ ... why “two” if this is version 5? well, libplasma is actually
going to be version 6 iirc, so it isn’t the library.
Not that its relevant for the rest of the discussion, but as the
On Monday 19 August 2013 23:08:15 Marco Martin wrote:
On Monday 19 August 2013, Kevin Ottens wrote:
On Monday 19 August 2013 21:56:35 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
3. ‘2’ ... why “two” if this is version 5? well, libplasma is actually
going to be version 6 iirc, so it isn’t the library.
Not
On Monday, August 19, 2013 23:08:15 Marco Martin wrote:
On Monday 19 August 2013, Kevin Ottens wrote:
On Monday 19 August 2013 21:56:35 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
3. ‘2’ ... why “two” if this is version 5? well, libplasma is actually
going to be version 6 iirc, so it isn’t the library.
On Monday 19 August 2013 21:56:35 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
3. ‘2’ ... why “two” if this is version 5? well, libplasma is actually going
to be version 6 iirc, so it isn’t the library. i also am not a big believer
in branding after version numbers. neither are any of our proprietary
competitors who
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