D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

ngraham abandoned this revision. ngraham added a comment. I no longer think this is a good idea. :( User feedback suggests that our default UX is too similar to another platform (Windows) already, which puts it in an "uncanny valley" where it is like 80% the same as that platform, but diverg

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

ngraham added a comment. In D24223#675737 , @Boxie wrote: > In D24223#675715 , @ngraham wrote: > > > Do folks have any ideas for alternative layouts that don't explicitly mimic other platforms? >

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

Boxie added a comment. In D24223#675715 , @ngraham wrote: > Do folks have any ideas for alternative layouts that don't explicitly mimic other platforms? How about a "Laptop" Layout. - Typically on a laptop you have a lot of horizonta

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

ngraham added a comment. Do folks have any ideas for alternative layouts that don't explicitly mimic other platforms? REPOSITORY R114 Plasma Addons REVISION DETAIL https://phabricator.kde.org/D24223 To: ngraham, #vdg, #plasma Cc: felixernst, Boxie, wstephenson, davidre, LeGast00n, enriq

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

Boxie added a comment. In D24223#675689 , @felixernst wrote: > Anyways, going with "some layouts using existing plasma stuff" is alright as well even though this feels like we would be needlessly limiting us from offering layouts that are tried

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

felixernst added a comment. In D24223#675682 , @Boxie wrote: > if you are coming from mac and choose the apple theme, you are expecting it to work like the apple environment, from shortcut keys, specific placement of items and look/feel of vario

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

Boxie added a comment. In D24223#675679 , @felixernst wrote: > In D24223#675589 , @Boxie wrote: > > > As others have mentioned - Let's not mimic other desktop environments (there are plenty of drago

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

felixernst added a comment. In D24223#675589 , @Boxie wrote: > As others have mentioned - Let's not mimic other desktop environments (there are plenty of dragons and devils hiding there). Are there really? If we really aren't confident en

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

ngraham added a comment. I'm open to re-doing this to expose alternative layouts that don't explicitly mimic other platforms. The problem is, I'm not very creative in my use of this functionality. All I really do is put my panel on the left screen edge. I would need ideas for alternative lay

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

Boxie added a comment. If I can make a suggestion here. As others have mentioned - Let's not mimic other desktop environments (there are plenty of dragons and devils hiding there). We have plenty of cool features already - we are just choosing to expose one set of those (Breeze) The

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

ngraham added a comment. We discussed this at the sprint and concluded broadly that we could move forward with it (once the TODOs are addressed of course). We also decided for T11746 that we would go with the approach of a sheet that lets you enable and d

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

niccolove added a comment. In D24223#537927 , @fabianr wrote: > > It doesn't auto-hide by default in macOS. I decided to make it span the full width of the screen because not doing this is IMO one of the dumbest parts of that macOS dock, because

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

davidre added a comment. > Make it possible to have an auto-hiding panel that only appears when clicking on a button somewhere else: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412483 I don't think the point matches the bug report entirely but maybe one could hack something like this together w

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

LeGast00n added a comment. Great work. This plus additional usability issues tackled in other streams will make my full switch to KDE possible (coming from Mac). Two relatively minor things: - desktop icons (e.g. Recycle bin) are also part of it - Cupertino should have window control

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

enriqueme added a comment. It looks like we want look and feel kcm split in two parts: - Desktop layout (panels and widgets) - Themes (wallpaper, color scheme, kwin theme, widget theme) REPOSITORY R114 Plasma Addons REVISION DETAIL https://phabricator.kde.org/D24223 To: ngraham, #

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

ngraham added a comment. In D24223#542008 , @enriqueme wrote: > Hi, I am a developer of LliureX project (www.lliurex.net sorry, not in english) a Linux distribution used by public schools at Valencia, Spain (aprox 120k computers). This year we

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

enriqueme added a comment. Hi, I am a developer of LliureX project (www.lliurex.net sorry, not in english) a Linux distribution used by public schools at Valencia, Spain (aprox 120k computers). This year we moved from Gnome to Kde! Ok, back to the topic, we have developed a wizard in ord

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

ngraham added a comment. Well this isn't a wizard, it's just in the LNF/Global Theme KCM, so it's not going to be very in-your-face. I can understand the concerns. However right now we do have a problem insofar as it's quite difficult for users to figure out how to change the layout (see

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

mart added a comment. also, some bits of history: kde2 had something along the lines in a startup wizard which could chose kde, windows, macos and irrc solaris (which was still a thing back then) in the end, was deemed to be a bad idea both the startup wizard and those other platform m

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

ngraham added a comment. In D24223#541957 , @mart wrote: > I'm actually not keen on the concept at all, about shipping what can only be badly done copycats of other platforms in lnf (or a separed layouts kcm.. which would be a big mistake doing

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

mart added a comment. I'm actually not keen on the concept at all, about shipping what can only be badly done copycats of other platforms in lnf (or a separed layouts kcm.. which would be a big mistake doing at all) this i think.. can only scream an impression of bad quality REPOSITORY R

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

ngraham added a comment. In D24223#537927 , @fabianr wrote: > > It doesn't auto-hide by default in macOS. I decided to make it span the full width of the screen because not doing this is IMO one of the dumbest parts of that macOS dock, because i

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

fabianr added a comment. > It doesn't auto-hide by default in macOS. I decided to make it span the full width of the screen because not doing this is IMO one of the dumbest parts of that macOS dock, because it pointlessly wastes the bottom-left-most and bottom-right-most pixels, which are t

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

fabianr added a comment. > I'd also consider to make the global theme also change plasma theme, color scheme or even application style so that it switches to a even more similiar interface. If Cupertino global theme switched to a light version of https://store.kde.org/p/1252328/, that would

D24223: [RFC] Add global themes that mimic other platforms' workflows

ngraham added a comment. In D24223#537838 , @mmustac wrote: > It took me some seconds to get it where "garden dwarf" points do :-D > I think the previews for all look and feel packages KDE ships by default should show somehow the same desktop.