Re: [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Eclipse startup

2019-06-19 Thread Tim Webb
Webb > To:"Eclipse platform general developers list." < > platform-dev@eclipse.org> > Date: 19.06.2019 14:37 > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender > and Eclipse startup > Sent by:platform-dev-boun...@eclip

Re: [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Eclipse startup

2019-06-19 Thread Daniel Megert
19 17:22 Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Eclipse startup Sent by:platform-dev-boun...@eclipse.org Whoever is interested in solving this problem, please create a p2 or oomph bug for that. I think missing signature on Windows is not OK, indepen

Re: [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Eclipse startup

2019-06-19 Thread Tim Webb
//bugs.eclipse.org/516795got reported regarding > Windows Defender. Comments there indicate that it's a deeper issue with/in > Windows Defender and not related to the eclipse.exe (issue happens after > eclipse.exe is done). > > Dani > > > > From: Andrey Loskutov &g

Re: [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Eclipse startup

2019-06-18 Thread Daniel Megert
rm-dev@eclipse.org Date: 18.06.2019 17:22 Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Eclipse startup Sent by:platform-dev-boun...@eclipse.org Whoever is interested in solving this problem, please create a p2 or oomph bug for that. I think missing signatu

Re: [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Eclipse startup

2019-06-18 Thread Ed Merks
Andrey, I looked in older p2 repos and this file was previously signed. E.g., the following one has a signed eclipse.exe: https://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/updates/4.6/R-4.6.3-201703010400/binary/org.eclipse.platform.sdk.executable.win32.win32.x86_64_4.6.3.M20170301-0400 That is why I just

Re: [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Eclipse startup

2019-06-18 Thread Andrey Loskutov
Whoever is interested in solving this problem, please create a p2 or oomph bug for that. I think missing signature on Windows is not OK, independently if this helps or not with the Windows Defender performance. Note: the exe file from plain SDK *is* signed. On 18.06.2019 16:52, Ed Merks wrote:

Re: [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Eclipse startup

2019-06-18 Thread Ed Merks
Rolf, Indeed if I look at the two executables in the following: https://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/updates/4.12/R-4.12-201906051800/binary/org.eclipse.platform.sdk.executable.win32.win32.x86_64_4.12.0.I20190605-1800 They do not show signature properties when extracted, so p2 installing these

Re: [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Eclipse startup

2019-06-18 Thread Rolf Theunissen
First of all, the properties of the executable show it very clearly. Second, https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=509799#c4 this comment. eclipse.exe properties from Eclipse IDE for Java Developers Package Eclipse properties for product installed via oomph. Op 6/18/2019 om 4:04 PM s

Re: [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Eclipse startup

2019-06-18 Thread Ed Merks
Rolf, I don't believe what you suggest is the case.  The eclipse.exe in the p2 repository, like all the artifacts in the repository, is signed.    Otherwise, if one did an update and the executable needed to be updated, it would be updated with an unsigned version, which would not be acceptab

Re: [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Eclipse startup

2019-06-18 Thread Rolf Theunissen
Hi, I came across the bug below. What triggered me from the comments on Bug 509799 is, that the 'eclipse.exe' is apparently signed as part of the EPP build. As we are pushing Eclipse-Installer now, many installations contain a 'eclipse.exe' that is not signed. So maybe the problem is not how

Re: [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Eclipse startup

2019-06-17 Thread Tim Webb
Unfortunately a no-go. Gave it a try and despite taking 1.5 minutes to run the command line, it still took the full first scan after running the exe that had already been scanned. It seems we'd need some guidance from Microsoft in how to get some/all of Eclipse whitelisted in their Security Intel

Re: [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Eclipse startup

2019-06-17 Thread Michael Keppler
Can you make one of the affected persons try running this before they start eclipse? "%programfiles%\Windows Defender\mpcmdrun" -scan -file "full_path_to_eclipse_installation" If that helps, we could potentially add this to the installer (but not the ZIPs, of course), in the hope Defender afterw

Re: [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Eclipse startup

2019-06-15 Thread Rolf Theunissen
Note that the particular issue mentioned happend on a computer with a McAfee virus scanner. I think that in this case p2 may not assume that a file is available directly after unpacking, or something like that. Only after it is really there, i.e. unlocked, it should be moved. And indeed, this t

Re: [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Eclipse startup

2019-06-15 Thread Ed Merks
I believe this problem also affects p2, sometimes with very bad consequences beyond just being slow.  E.g., p2 often downloads things to a temporary location then p2 immediately moves the file when the download is complete.  When a virus scanner is busy scanning the file such that it's temporar

Re: [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Eclipse startup

2019-06-15 Thread Rolf Theunissen
.org <mailto:platform-dev@eclipse.org> Cc: Subject: [EXTERNAL] [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Eclipse startup Date: Fri, Jun 14, 2019 8:41 AM TL;DR - Windows Defender adds 1.5 minutes or more to Eclipse launch Lately, I&#x

Re: [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Eclipse startup

2019-06-15 Thread Christian Pontesegger
>TL;DR - Windows Defender adds 1.5 minutes or more to Eclipse launch Same situationin our company. Windows defender blocks not only Eclipse startup,but also kicks in when we start a new RCP session from our development IDE. Then I guess it is scanning the jars of the target platform. Interesting

Re: [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Eclipse startup

2019-06-14 Thread Mike Wilson
> locally I can simply setup exclude rules in Windows defender ... I'm wondering about other creative ways we could help users > I guess what I was trying to suggest was a story that just let Windows defender do it's thing once, but by virtue of the fact that we kept the extract zip around between

Re: [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Eclipse startup

2019-06-14 Thread Tim Webb
at 11:56 AM Mike Wilson wrote: > Yikes! Is it possible to keep the extracted zip around, in a way that > Defender wouldn't have to rescan it? > > McQ. > > > - Original message - > From: Tim Webb > Sent by: platform-dev-boun...@eclipse.org > To: platform-d

Re: [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Eclipse startup

2019-06-14 Thread Mike Wilson
Yikes! Is it possible to keep the extracted zip around, in a way that Defender wouldn't have to rescan it?   McQ.   - Original message -From: Tim Webb Sent by: platform-dev-boun...@eclipse.orgTo: platform-dev@eclipse.orgCc:Subject: [EXTERNAL] [platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Ec

[platform-dev] Impact of Windows Defender and Eclipse startup

2019-06-14 Thread Tim Webb
TL;DR - Windows Defender adds 1.5 minutes or more to Eclipse launch Lately, I've heard some colleagues grumbling about how Eclipse startup seems slower. I'll admit that I'm recently back on Windows after years on Mac and was surprised. Some quick metrics: 0:05 - time to extract 354mb JEE 2019-06