Re: npm and bundled modules

2016-09-12 Thread Elan Ruusamäe

On 12.09.2016 12:20, Jacek Konieczny wrote:

On 2016-09-10 23:46, Paweł A. Gajda wrote:
npm itself bundle its dependencies,so, what I like to do is just to 
bundle
them into package as well. It just works and would make upgrades 
much, much

easier. Any objections?


+1, no objections.

Node dependencies and packaging is totally crazy and mantaining it 
right with RPM (making RPM package for each node package, which may 
contain a single .js file with a single function) would require 100x 
bigger team of developers than we have. So, instead of fighting that, 
lets just package together as much as it is convenient.


the exception may be binary packages. would be reasonable to build 
binary packages as standalone packages.


but so far none of npm packages were binary, last time i tried to update npm

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Re: npm and bundled modules

2016-09-12 Thread Jacek Konieczny

On 2016-09-10 23:46, Paweł A. Gajda wrote:

npm itself bundle its dependencies,so, what I like to do is just to bundle
them into package as well. It just works and would make upgrades much, much
easier. Any objections?


+1, no objections.

Node dependencies and packaging is totally crazy and mantaining it right 
with RPM (making RPM package for each node package, which may contain a 
single .js file with a single function) would require 100x bigger team 
of developers than we have. So, instead of fighting that, lets just 
package together as much as it is convenient.


Jacek
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Re: npm and bundled modules

2016-09-11 Thread Elan Ruusamäe

On 11.09.2016 00:46, Paweł A. Gajda wrote:

Our npm is packaged wihtout bundled npm modules, what is generally good and
maybe elegant, but it's just hard to maintain as there is over 70 node
modules (npm 3.x) it depends on. That is probably the reason, why npm has
not been upgraded from 1.x.

npm itself bundle its dependencies,so, what I like to do is just to bundle
them into package as well. It just works and would make upgrades much, much
easier. Any objections?


that's the most reasonable thing to do now considering how much efforts 
it takes to match the npm package versions that actually are able to 
resolve to single set of packages.


 i.e foo 1.0 is satisified by all depenendcies, as usually pkg2 
requires foo < 1.0 and pkg3 > 1.0 so you need to have two versions of 
foo package.


but, it must be subpackage, not part of nodejs package. %package -n npm 
as it's highly optional for running nodejs apps.


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Re: npm and bundled modules

2016-09-10 Thread aredridel

> On 10 Sep 2016, at 17:46, Paweł A. Gajda <m...@pld-linux.org> wrote:
> 
> Our npm is packaged wihtout bundled npm modules, what is generally good and
> maybe elegant, but it's just hard to maintain as there is over 70 node
> modules (npm 3.x) it depends on. That is probably the reason, why npm has
> not been upgraded from 1.x.
> 
> npm itself bundle its dependencies,so, what I like to do is just to bundle
> them into package as well. It just works and would make upgrades much, much
> easier. Any objections?

This is how node apps work in community practice, and doing this would make me 
very, very happy. It's basically meant that I don't use the system versions of 
node and npm at all because they actively fight how node works.

So not just +1 but +100.

(PS. I now work at npm.)

Aria
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npm and bundled modules

2016-09-10 Thread Paweł A . Gajda
Our npm is packaged wihtout bundled npm modules, what is generally good and
maybe elegant, but it's just hard to maintain as there is over 70 node
modules (npm 3.x) it depends on. That is probably the reason, why npm has
not been upgraded from 1.x.

npm itself bundle its dependencies,so, what I like to do is just to bundle
them into package as well. It just works and would make upgrades much, much
easier. Any objections?
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